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winter bulk all planned out. diet, aas critique.

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spankymach1

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This is going to be my 3rd cycle. I am 5'9" 185lbs about 15-20% fat right now. I got all my blood work done and everything is good and where it should be. My previous cycle was trenbolone/testosterone propionate as a cutter which went pretty good. My first one which was a few years ago was Sustanon/Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - and I got some pretty good size gains off that.

My cycle will begin around early Dec so i have some time now to change things around if needed which is why I am starting this thread. Here it is as of now:

anabolic androgenic steroids

Anadrol - 100mg ED Wks 1-4
Sust - 250mg EOD Wks 1-8
Tren - 100mg ED Wks 1-8

Arimidex - 1mg ED Wks 1-8
Femera - letrozole - 20mg ED Wks 1-8
Provirion - 50mg ED Wks 1-13
Nolvadex - 20mg ED wks 11-13
MAYBE HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - - 250ius wks 1-13

My diet is going to be only clean meals. I will have 1 cheat meal a week, probally on the weekend sometime. Here is my diet:

DIET

-Meal 1:
1 cup of Liquid Eggs
2 slices of fat free cheese
turkey bacon
cut up green and red peppers
1/2 cup of oat meal

-Meal 2:
2 scoops of ISOpure protein
2 tablespoons of ANPB
1/2 cup of oat meal

-Meal 3:
chicken breast
mixed veggies
3 fish oil caps

-PWO
2 scoops ISOpure protein
1/3 cup Dextrose

-Meal 4:
ground lean beef OR flank steak
mixed veggies
3 fish oils caps OR handful of peanuts

-Pre bed
1 cup cottage cheese
3 fish oil caps

Not sure about amount but I am looking around 3000+ cals, 300 protein, 200 carbs, 80 fats. I will add everything up

Last but not least is the supplements I am going to be taking.

SUPPLEMENTS

Fish oils
Milk Thisle
Cranberry Extract
B6
CLA
fruits/veggie caps

WORKOUT

My workout routine is going to be 5x5. I have done this before with great results and I am hoping to get a lot of new PRs with this cycle.

I hope I have everything where it should be. I am nervous that I am going to be taking to much AIs and will lower my estrogen levels to much during cycle. If I should move dosages around or add/take away something let me know.
 
i actually like that cycle alot dude.. i have never tried drols.. you dont here of people using it that much nemore.. do you have any prior experince with it
 
Looks good. If you tolerate Drol, cool. If it gets wicked, you can sub with Dbol. Tren is gonna lean you out. Maybe sub with Deca. Or both. just eat everything, man. And lift HEAVY. Good luck.
 
holy ghost - I have the exact amount of tren and sust to last me 8 weeks so I am only going that far. Unless I change my mind 1/2 way through I will just stick with 8 weeks for now. I have some multi's I will add in I forgot to list them.

Also do you think I am really going to need the creatine? I am going to hold a lot of water with the drol and sust as it is. Maybe use it around week 7 to help as a bridge though my PCT?

makaveli25 - I have never tried drol yet but I am not to worried about using it. I will start the first day at 50mg just so I can get a feel for it and if I am fine I am going with 100mg from day 2 on.

702daswoll - thanks, hopefully after this cycle so will I too haha.

halfcenturian - I get fat really quick when I am not on a strict diet. I am going to eat a lot but I can only eat clean. Anytime I cheat to much I get fat so I am going to try extra hard to eat only clean, but as much as I can of course. I was thinking about adding in some EQ just to get a bigger appetite for this.

More importantly. Am I going to hinder any gains from all of the AIs I am going to be running? I want to make sure I am not over doing. Anyone that knows a lot about this please.
 
ALWAYS use creatine in PCT. I use it in all my cycles because look you need it to stay full during extreme calorie defecits and glycogen depletion, your diet better be way in check.... Id use 2-5g ED of creatine ethyl ester its NO bloat'

holy shit YOU BETTER NOT TAKE THAT MUCH FEMARA THATS TOXIC

STICK TO .5 Monday and .5 friday for now that is powerful shit
take dex .5 mon .5 wed .5 fri if your really worried about Estro
 
holy ghost - I will add it to my PCT but my diet isn't a low calorie diet. I will change the dosage of the dex and femara to .5 each EOD. With the use of provion and HCG be to much also?
 
Went back up and looked at your stats. We are the same height, but I got you by 20 pounds You are at 20% BF. I'm pulling about 12% BF.
Only 3 AAS actually cause fat loss, which you need, Test, Tren, Var. These will also bulk you up with muscle, not water, if you lift heavy and eat clean.

Drol will melt away as soon as you stop. Do you agree that is pointless?
Therefore I recommend the following. These are all "keep gains" steroids.
You will get strong at shit and lose 10%BF. Diet needs to be clean.
Eat like a bobybuilder. Workout like a power lifter.

wk 1-4 Test P 75 mg/ EOD
Test E 200mg Mon./ Fri.
Tren A 50mg EOD
Deca 200mg/ 2 X week
Anavar 40mg E/D. Split 20mg after breakfast / 20 mg after lunch.

wk 5-8 Test E 250 mg/ Mon. Fri.
Tren A 75/ ED
Deca 200mg/ 2 X week
Anavar 30mg am. 30mg pm E/D
wk 8-12
Drop Tren
Drop Var

wk 10-12
Drop Deca
add 30mg Halo
Test E 250mg Mon./Fri.

Be sure to have caber on hand. This cycle ought to put you at 200lbs,10% BF
 
halfcenturian - its to late now for me to switch my cycle, everything is already bought. I may look into that for the next cycle which will be my cutter for the summer. I am thinking for my cutter something with prob, tren, masteron, anavar, clen, t3 but I didn't work out the numbers yet.

About my diet. Is this a good diet for the bulk? Everything seems really clean and enough of protein, carbs and fat to put on clean muslce gains. Should I change up the diet at all?
 
Your taking Adex and Letro through whole cycle? This should not be necessary and also I think you have your doseage for Letro incorrect too at 20mg/day.

I would not take Letro on cycle unless completely necessary.
 
yes I was wrong on the letro dosage. I was thinking about taking .5mg ED but I am going to hold onto it and use it just in case I see some signs of gyno appear.
 
I entered all the food I am going to be eating into FitDay.com. My totals arent where I expected them but I have a slow metabolism so this may be enough for me. My cutter started at 1800 cals and I was putting on weight!!!!! (Possible thyroid problem??)

Anyway here are my totals are:

2110 cals
60 fats
120 carbs
250 protein

That breaks down to 52% protein, 21% carbs, 27% fat.

I am going to eat like this for the next month to get a feel for it and see if I am eating to much or not enough. If I need more I will add some in before I start my cycle.
 
ok your bmr is about 1900 KCAL ed.

If you want to bulk, add 500-1000 clean cals TO that ED
If you want to CUT, subtract 250-500 cals from that ED

Personally, Id carb cycle. Im turning millions on to it!! :D
Hey, Im a book thats full of life!
 
back from the dead....

Asking again just for ease of mind. I just want to make sure i have my PCT and anit.e all sorted out. This is what I have planned out.

Arimidex 1mg ED - Weeks 1-8
Proviron - 50mg ED Wks 1-13
Ferma - ONLY AS NEEDED
Nolvadex - 20mg ED wks 11-13
10mg ED wks 13-15

My diet will start around 3000 cals ED and work up or down depending on what kinda weight I start to put on.

Am I all set to go?
 
Whats your objective? Do you compete or are you just doing it to look good? Do you have a competition comming up? Can you get more gear if needed? I ask these questions as it would help evaluate what I might recommend. I compete and have been competeing for years.

I dont mean to or want to sound boastfull but I'd point that actaully won several first place trophies in major NPC state and regional shows so to add some credentails.

I plan for a contest a year in advance, of course things change depending on the results. I wont do tren in the bulking phase of a cycle, I only recomend it for pre contest. I like a basic Test cyp and deca stack or low level of test cyp with some Anadrol, or sus with Eq for bulking. If you can afford some GH and add some insulin and cyctomel youll really see some size.

Most my competeive bodybuilder buddies stay on a base line of test year around. I'll just do a HCG (1000iu eod) and clomid (ed) cycle for two weeks after a big cycle and jump back on something.

Good luck
 
halfcenturian said:
Went back up and looked at your stats. We are the same height, but I got you by 20 pounds You are at 20% BF. I'm pulling about 12% BF.
Only 3 anabolic androgenic steroids actually cause fat loss, which you need, Test, trenbolone, Anavar - oxandrolone - . These will also bulk you up with muscle, not water, if you lift heavy and eat clean.

Anadrol 50 - oxymetholone - will melt away as soon as you stop. Do you agree that is pointless?
Therefore I recommend the following. These are all "keep gains" steroids.
You will get strong at shit and lose 10%BF. Diet needs to be clean.
Eat like a bobybuilder. Workout like a power lifter.

wk 1-4 Test P 75 mg/ EOD
testosterone enanthate 200mg Mon./ Fri.
Tren A 50mg EOD
Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - 200mg/ 2 X week
Anavar 40mg E/D. Split 20mg after breakfast / 20 mg after lunch.

wk 5-8 Test E 250 mg/ Mon. Fri.
Tren A 75/ ED
Deca 200mg/ 2 X week
Anavar 30mg am. 30mg pm E/D
wk 8-12
Drop Tren
Drop Var

wk 10-12
Drop Deca
add 30mg Halo
Test E 250mg Mon./Fri.

Be sure to have caber on hand. This cycle ought to put you at 200lbs,10% BF
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I like the look of this cycle. 2 Q: Why the halo at the end? And how do you consider if one switch the deca to eq?
 
I wouldn't start the Arimidex at 1mg. Actually if was me I wouldn't start the A-dex at all but just use as needed if needed at all and then at only like .25mgs. I would also like some HCG in there. Other than that looks ok.
 
Access said:
I wouldn't start the Arimidex at 1mg. Actually if was me I wouldn't start the A-dex at all but just use as needed if needed at all and then at only like .25mgs. I would also like some HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - in there. Other than that looks ok.
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I noticed alot of you guys use things year round that we only used precontest.(ive been out for a few years).mas,tren,anavar etc.is this the trend now?im used to anadrol,sus and enanthate,thats it off season.fill me in.
 
yeah, if you have adex or letro, use them only as needed. don't take them just to take em, you'll hurt your gains. if you start to hold water, or get moonface, hit the adex. if you start showing signs of gyno, come back here for advice with the letro. i personally don't use adex, if i show signs of water or moonface, i just take a very, and i mean very small dose of the letro, then all is good for several weeks. bro, and i do mean several weeks, that is some strong ass shit!
 
theblondebomber said:
I noticed alot of you guys use things year round that we only used precontest.(ive been out for a few years).mas,trenbolone,anavar etc.is this the trend now?im used to anadrol,sus and enanthate,thats it off season.fill me in.
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There is defintely a lot more "experimentation" going on now for sure with differing cycles. I think a lot of this is the easier access to a lot more gear than used to be the case. Suppliers now generally have to carry everything (and have in stock) to be in the main marketplace and make money.

You will find not too many guys are competing. It is more recreational than competitive use.
 
Access said:
There is defintely a lot more "experimentation" going on now for sure with differing cycles. I think a lot of this is the easier access to a lot more gear than used to be the case. Suppliers now generally have to carry everything (and have in stock) to be in the main marketplace and make money.

You will find not too many guys are competing. It is more recreational than competitive use.
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Im starting to figure that out.Ive always said the biggest and leanest guys at a Bodybuilding contest are in the audiance.
 
i am only doing this for recreational. i will keep all my stuff on the side just in case any signs show up. if i start seeing moonface or to much water retention should i start at .25mgs ED and move up if needed. i will also hold off on the letro and only use as needed like you guys are telling me. I have a small case of gyn.o already so i am nervous about holding off and waiting for signs of it to begin using it. but if thats what you guys think i should do i will listen.

how is my cycle looking though? you think its to much, not enough, just right?
 
spankymach1 said:
i am only doing this for recreational. i will keep all my stuff on the side just in case any signs show up. if i start seeing moonface or to much water retention should i start at .25mgs ED and move up if needed. i will also hold off on the Femera - letrozole - and only use as needed like you guys are telling me. I have a small case of gyn.o already so i am nervous about holding off and waiting for signs of it to begin using it. but if thats what you guys think i should do i will listen.

how is my cycle looking though? you think its to much, not enough, just right?
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why are you only staying on for 8 weeks, this is your third cycle right? my last one was my third one, but it was the first in a long while. i did 8 weeks to get off and start my real one now, this would give me the boost i needed to get to where i wanted to be before i started the one i've just started. i was just curious to know what your goals were.
 
Why on earth are you running letro, adex and proviron all at once..all you need is one A.I. bro...0.5mg of adex ed will suffice for estrogen issues. Also 100mg of adrol is a very advanced dose...i think 50mg/day will give all the adrol induced gains that you seek and your liver will thank you for keeping the toxicity to a reasonable level.
 
GUSTAVO77 said:
Why on earth are you running Femera - letrozole - , Arimidex - anastrozole - and proviron all at once..all you need is one A.I. bro...0.5mg of Arimidex - anastrozole - ed will suffice for estrogen issues. Also 100mg of Anadrol -oxymetholone - is a very advanced dose...i think 50mg/day will give all the Anadrol -oxymetholone - induced gains that you seek and your liver will thank you for keeping the toxicity to a reasonable level.
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yeah bro, we already got em on this, i think he's going a different route :D
 
i am not set on the 100mg of drol. i am going to start at 50mg and see how my body takes it. if i can handle more i will go up to 100mg there after.

the proviron i am not going to be using as an A.I. i hear it is good for using during a cycle bc it will also bring up your natural test levels increasing your total test taken. if this is a b.s. then i will just save it for p.c.t.

as for liver i have Liv52 i am going to be taking so hopefully i wont destroy it to back with the tren/drol mix.
 
update. i started this cycle. everything is going great so far. the shots arent to bad. sust hurts like a biatch but not to bad due to the tren mixed.

i am 11 days in and i am up 10lbs so far. a little water weight but i am drinking 1+ gallons of water so i dont know if i should drink more or just accept it as a side from the adrols.

strenghts are going up to. if gains stay steady i should be hitting some PRs in all lifts pretty soon. only thing that is suffering is squats due to glute and thigh pinnings with sust, pains are to much to go heavy.

only problem i am having is the anxiety sides from tren. i couldnt take it and went to the dr and got some lexapro to help out. dont have any sleeping problems or night sweats. check my blood pressure everyday and is still good, around 120/70 everyday. except one night while having an anxiety attack i was about 160/90!!!! still able to eat, no stomach problems which prevent me from being hungry.

question though. i started at 100mg ED of adrols for 7 days. after a panic attack i blamed it on them and cut down to 50mg ED. can i bump it back up to 100mg ED or should i just stick to 50mg ED??
 
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