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josenunes

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HI ,I`m new in this forum and I recently buyed George Spellwin's Chemical Wizardry .
when I was seeing the steroid cycles I searched for a beginner cycle(yeah it`ll be my first cycle) and I saw the virgin cycle that is suppose to strenght your joints for hard work and for me this is very important.
But my question is that in the cycle winstrol is one of the steroids that is supposed to helps your joints and everytime that I heard about winstrol is that because it kill`s joints.
I hope that George himself or anyone that understands this can help me in this issue?
I also saw that there was no PCT in this cycle,why?
Thank`s
 
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The only explanation that seems possible to me is a sinergy betwen diferent steroids but I`m crazy about the answer...
 
winstrol dries you out, and dries your joints out as well. never heard about it helping at all with and joint issues. in fact it's already gave me pain in my knuckles and knees. (i figured this out through trial and error) so for me, unless you call joint pain helpful, it hasn't helped at all
 
yeah ,I`m realy confused, the cycle consists in winstrol+primobolan + andriol I`m not going to post dosages because of copyrights but I think that George doesn`t mind I post this paragraph:

"So, why stack Winstrol Depot, Primobolan Depot, and Andriol?
First of all, too many lifters begin steroid use before properly strengthening / developing their joints, tendons, and ligaments to be able to handle the upcoming dramatic strength gains. You wouldn't put a high performance engine on a standard frame, thus you wouldn't want to utilize heavy weight before conditioning your joints, tendons, and ligaments!!! The above mentioned steroids are known for strengthening your frame structure to handle the gains of future cycles!!!"


I dont want to abuse but I think that this is a very important issue for all bodybuilders so please Geoge gives a help here...
 
josenunes said:
yeah ,I`m realy confused, the cycle consists in winstrol+primobolan + andriol I`m not going to post dosages because of copyrights but I think that George doesn`t mind I post this paragraph:

"So, why stack Winstrol Depot, Primobolan Depot, and Andriol?
First of all, too many lifters begin steroid use before properly strengthening / developing their joints, tendons, and ligaments to be able to handle the upcoming dramatic strength gains. You wouldn't put a high performance engine on a standard frame, thus you wouldn't want to utilize heavy weight before conditioning your joints, tendons, and ligaments!!! The above mentioned steroids are known for strengthening your frame structure to handle the gains of future cycles!!!"


I dont want to abuse but I think that this is a very important issue for all bodybuilders so please Geoge gives a help here...
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in my opinion that is just outlining a beginner cycle maybe? i could be very wrong, but it looks like this is just an example of a cycle that will properly condition your joints tendons and ligaments..i really shouldn't post my opinion on this because i truly don't know
 
rfowler said:
winni is your joints worst nightmare.
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Maybe by itself but stacked it might be good,but as I said only George a moderator or a doctor/cientist can explain the meaning of taking winstrol to strenght the joints...
 
its not saying its good for ur joints its sayin that taking this cycle wont be as big of a burden as other cycles on your frame, and it helps prepare your frame and joints to withstand the massive amounts of increase you are goin to see when takin more cycles
 
josenunes said:
HI ,I`m new in this forum and I recently buyed George Spellwin's Chemical Wizardry .
when I was seeing the steroid cycles I searched for a beginner cycle(yeah it`ll be my first cycle) and I saw the virgin cycle that is suppose to strenght your joints for hard work and for me this is very important.
But my question is that in the cycle winstrol is one of the steroids that is supposed to helps your joints and everytime that I heard about winstrol is that because it kill`s joints.
I hope that George himself or anyone that understands this can help me in this issue?
I also saw that there was no PCT - post cycle therapy - in this cycle,why?
Thank`s
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I think the joint pain form winstrol is individual. Ive used and many athlets I work closely with have never had problems,,,while others do.
 
ALIN said:
I think the joint pain form winstrol is individual. Ive used and many athlets I work closely with have never had problems,,,while others do.
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Im just one that doesnt thinkits negatives out weigh its positives, and I think results with this drug are skewed and its very much a placebo effect. I know many will fight with me over this Im just speaking from my experience with the drug. If it works for you then by all means bust the hell out of it.
 
the only thing that has any significent help to your joints is lots of water, MSM, Glusomanine suflate,chicken cartlidge,and Jello.



There are others but these seem to work the best.
RADAR
 
josenunes said:
yeah ,I`m realy confused, the cycle consists in winstrol+primobolan + andriol I`m not going to post dosages because of copyrights but I think that George doesn`t mind I post this paragraph:

"So, why stack Winstrol Depot, Primobolan Depot, and Andriol?
First of all, too many lifters begin steroid use before properly strengthening / developing their joints, tendons, and ligaments to be able to handle the upcoming dramatic strength gains. You wouldn't put a high performance engine on a standard frame, thus you wouldn't want to utilize heavy weight before conditioning your joints, tendons, and ligaments!!! The above mentioned steroids are known for strengthening your frame structure to handle the gains of future cycles!!!"


I dont want to abuse but I think that this is a very important issue for all bodybuilders so please Geoge gives a help here...
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I do not agree with that.

From my own personal experience and the ones I know who have used winstrol, I can say it wrecks havoc on joints.

IMO That is a shitty cycle too.
 
Bro, I'm just as confused as you are, winnie usually does a number on ur joints. Best thing to do is maybe try to P.M george directly and have him elaborate or ask any vets that have read his book maybe to shed some info on the matter. Good luck
 
Winstrol in effect lower estrogen and progesterone blood levels thus causing pro-inflammatory effects on your joints when lifting. estrogen and progesterone has good effects in the body and this is one of them.

The "dry joints" thing is a misnomer

A progesterone cream can help
 
Hey GJ how is low dose winny supplementation on tendons and ligaments? collagen synthesis act positive or negatively
 
Supposedly winstrol increases collagen sythesis.
But the body compensates by decreasing cross linking.

Also due to winstrol's decrease in estrogen and progesterone due to DHT activity, I would think that some joints would also be negatively impacted. Collagen synthesis would be increased in some joints and decreased in others.


holy ghost said:
Hey GJ how is low dose Winstrol - stanozolol supplementation on tendons and ligaments? collagen synthesis act positive or negatively
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gjohnson5 said:
Supposedly winstrol increases collagen sythesis.
But the body compensates by decreasing cross linking.

Also due to winstrol's decrease in estrogen and progesterone due to dihydrotestosterone activity, I would think that some joints would also be negatively impacted. Collagen synthesis would be increased in some joints and decreased in others.
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plain and simple terrible drug in my opinion.
 
winstrol no good for joints.....i kno it dried my joints out.... i play baseball and i felt it in my shoulder and elbow....
 
I would think that what was meant by that cycle is that the Andriol will help lube up the joints. And probably the winny dose is low enough to allow the Andriol to be a possitive factor in joint health. I truly can't imagine that it was meant that Winny was the reason for this.
 
I think that George should give us an explanation because we are all going in circles , but anyway winstrol does increase joint thikness but eliminate the lubrification maybe stacking with a lubrificator steroid we got the perfect joint stack but I`M not certain...
 
I can clarify that having used Winnie a few years ago, my joints were in bits. I had trouble standing up in work the following day after a heavy workout such as deep squatting. I really felt it on the hips.

Use Deca if you want to keep the joints fluid.
 
winny increases collagen i think thats why you are putting the two and two that its beneficial for joints

but its NOT

ad 200mg deca to your winny cylce
 
I would think the purpose of this stack would be to provide good but mild anabolic cycle for a newbee . As any one who has used large doses of Test. Anadrol and the like can attest to. The buildup of strength and aggression with these substances is so quick and it's hard not to want to pile on the weight that it's very easy to get hurt. Starting with a milder stack does not allow this and gives your joints and tendons a chance to strengthen even though you are not holding a lot of water. :fryhim:
 
Unfortunately George in is answer didn't gave me the scientific explanation but as I said before maybe deca + winstrol work with synergies in joints...
 
Yeah maybe i only need to hear the word winni and my knees /elbows hurt .

Brad.
 
josenunes said:
yeah ,I`m realy confused, the cycle consists in winstrol+primobolan + andriol I`m not going to post dosages because of copyrights but I think that George doesn`t mind I post this paragraph:

"So, why stack Winstrol Depot, Primobolan Depot, and Andriol?
First of all, too many lifters begin steroid use before properly strengthening / developing their joints, tendons, and ligaments to be able to handle the upcoming dramatic strength gains. You wouldn't put a high performance engine on a standard frame, thus you wouldn't want to utilize heavy weight before conditioning your joints, tendons, and ligaments!!! The above mentioned steroids are known for strengthening your frame structure to handle the gains of future cycles!!!"


I dont want to abuse but I think that this is a very important issue for all bodybuilders so please Geoge gives a help here...
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wow reading comprehension people.
its saying use a light cycle like this to grow slowly before you jump into a big test deca dbol cycle and get to big for your joints. Thats how injures happen.

It is in no way saying winny its self is good for you joints
 
needtogetaas said:
wow reading comprehension people.
its saying use a light cycle like this to grow slowly before you jump into a big test Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - Dianabol - methandrostenolone - cycle and get to big for your joints. Thats how injures happen.

It is in no way saying Winstrol - stanozolol its self is good for you joints
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Thanks NTG glad we got that sorted out , i havent got the chem wiz book
sounds like a good read .

Brad.
 
needtogetaas said:
wow reading comprehension people.
its saying use a light cycle like this to grow slowly before you jump into a big test Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - Dianabol - methandrostenolone - cycle and get to big for your joints. Thats how injures happen.

It is in no way saying Winstrol - stanozolol its self is good for you joints
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maybe you`re right the karma is your`s
 
winny hurts the joints like a MF. But to combat that when I run it I run a very low dose of deca. I mean so low you dont feel the deca. 100mg a week just to help with joint pain. Alot of ppl think I'm crazy and that it doesnt work, but I've ran winny 4 times and used that low dose of deca with it twice. And trust me it works
 
Jumpmaster82 said:
Winstrol - stanozolol hurts the joints like a MF. But to combat that when I run it I run a very low dose of Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - . I mean so low you dont feel the Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - . 100mg a week just to help with joint pain. Alot of ppl think I'm crazy and that it doesnt work, but I've ran Winstrol - stanozolol 4 times and used that low dose of Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - with it twice. And trust me it works
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for some things I read ,I think that can be true because winstrol makes joints larger but with low collagen synthesis ,if you stack it with nandrolone your collagen synthesis increase and that could make the perfect joint stack...
 
i just started some winstrol.... its dryin my joints out a bit but im combating it with 2 gallons of water and glucosamine chondroitin.
 
bmcadoo44 said:
i just started some winstrol.... its dryin my joints out a bit but im combating it with 2 gallons of water and glucosamine chondroitin.
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Put some primo in the moisture ( see the primobolan and joints thread)
 
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