Winny/Var Stack

[ACEDIAMOND]

I have been researching everything that I can about Oxandrolone and Stanozolol as I have acquired enough of both in order to start a 6 week cycle stacking the afore mentioned.

I have been reading the plethora of threads on this very topic and I am still unsure about what the optimum dosage would be for these two ORALS. I joined this site today and, needless to say, I have yet to personally ask any questions that pertain directly to me.

As there are some contrasting opinions in regards to dosage, I would like to provide my stats in hopes to receive some personalized advice.

STATS:
6ft 3in
230lbs
17%bf
Sport related lifting for 6 years (football)

Goals:
LOSE BF
GAIN STRENGTH
GAIN SPEED

As of now, I am planning to run Var for 6 weeks @ 40mg ed and Winny for 4 weeks @ 40mg ed.

Let me know what you guys think, you advice will be much appreciated.

 

[d_rson]

Age?

Diet is 90% the cut. How's your diet?

Don't run two orals at the same time, and no longer than 8 weeks, especially with winny.

 

[showcaseshowdown]

I would lower you bodyfat compostion with another compound (other than winny/var) and when you get leaner I would use the anavar and forget the winny.

 

[ACEDIAMOND]

sorry, Im 23

I TRY for 6 meals per day but saying that I constantly consume 6 meals is a stretch.
~5500 cals
- 200 protein
-try to get in my carbs earlier in the day

 

[ACEDIAMOND]

I would lower you bodyfat compostion with another compound (other than winny/var) and when you get leaner I would use the anavar and forget the winny.

what BF% should I aim for before starting the VAR?

 

[brandonp005]

sorry, Im 23

I TRY for 6 meals per day but saying that I constantly consume 6 meals is a stretch.
~5500 cals
- 200 protein
-try to get in my carbs earlier in the day

First off, Welcome to EF. This is a great place, full of great bros that are always willing to help. Glad to have ya here.


You weigh 230 lbs. Increase your protein to atleast 230 grams per day. Go with a high protein, moderate healthy fats, low carb deit. Drop your calories some and increase the cardio. Fasted AM cardio on an empty stomach will give you the best results bro.

As far as the anabolics go. Is there a reason you picked two orals? Are you scared of injections?

 

[showcaseshowdown]

what BF% should I aim for before starting the VAR?

13 % At a higher bodyfat than that you will see strength gains but you will not see the benefits of the var in my opinion because you bodyfat will be too high. Var shines at under 10%.

 

[ACEDIAMOND]

First off, Welcome to EF. This is a great place, full of great bros that are always willing to help. Glad to have ya here.


You weigh 230 lbs. Increase your protein to atleast 230 grams per day. Go with a high protein, moderate healthy fats, low carb deit. Drop your calories some and increase the cardio. Fasted AM cardio on an empty stomach will give you the best results bro.

As far as the anabolics go. Is there a reason you picked two orals? Are you scared of injections?

Thanks for the welcome.

Protein, check. How many calories should I be consuming while on the cycle and the few weeks before I start?

I reckon that it is not because I am necessarily afraid of needles (although my selection points to it haha) but, simply put, I dont think that I am ready to take that step. Be it a personal resistance to injecting myself, I cannot do that yet. I am new to this game and I just want to test the waters, so to speak. I am on the path of graduating to hard anabolics(so I have been told) like SUSTANOL but it is still freshamn year ha.

Anyways, I know that I need to take extra care with 2 orals due to their toxicity; would you reccommend anything that you have used personally in terms of liver protection?

Also what dosage would you recommend for the Var & Winny?

 

[ACEDIAMOND]

13 % At a higher bodyfat than that you will see strength gains but you will not see the benefits of the var in my opinion because you bodyfat will be too high. Var shines at under 10%.

Thanks for that info man.

I have a bit of pre-cycle conditioning to do.

 

[bblazer]

If you have done the research you say you have, then you know how liver toxic these oras are, and that stacking them is on the far end of the "bad things to do to your body" spectrum.

If you insist on only doing an oral, then Anavar is your choice.

B

 

[d_rson]

Anyways, I know that I need to take extra care with 2 orals due to their toxicity; would you reccommend anything that you have used personally in terms of liver protection?

Also what dosage would you recommend for the Var & Winny?

Don't do two orals - Don't do two orals - Don't do two orals especially with winny. Do the var. 50mg ED. Sustain Alpha and Unleashed for PCT. Forged Liver Support throughout and into PCT. Also do Cholestrol support as well.

 

[ACEDIAMOND]

Don't do two orals - Don't do two orals - Don't do two orals especially with winny. Do the var. 50mg ED. Sustain Alpha and Unleashed for PCT. Forged Liver Support throughout and into PCT. Also do Cholestrol support as well.

Well, this is what I joined this forum for. I am not going to do the 2 orals, you guys have scared me enough.

Should I keep the Var or Winny?
And at what dose, ed?

 

[bblazer]

Well, this is what I joined this forum for. I am not going to do the 2 orals, you guys have scared me enough.

Should I keep the Var or Winny?
And at what dose, ed?

Anavar 40 mg/ed split in two doses for 6-8 weeks.

Also don't forget to be using creatine @ 5-10 grams/day. Creatine and Anavar are a great combo.

B-

 

[wolfman87]

var + winny = likely heart attack victim

what these compounds do to your cholesterol is horrible... stacking them together is the last thing you want to do if you care the slightest bit about your cardiovascular health.

it makes me shudder every time i hear the words var and winny in the same sentence.

 

[timtim]

var + winny = likely heart attack victim

what these compounds do to your cholesterol is horrible... stacking them together is the last thing you want to do if you care the slightest bit about your cardiovascular health.

it makes me shudder every time i hear the words var and winny in the same sentence.

winstrol alone got my hdl to 0 and my ldl 191. not good.

 

[ACEDIAMOND]

Anavar 40 mg/ed split in two doses for 6-8 weeks.

Also don't forget to be using creatine @ 5-10 grams/day. Creatine and Anavar are a great combo.

B-

thanks man.

As far as the creatine, would Xpand Xtreme Pump by Dymatize work; contains 5g per scoop.

I have to lose some BF before I do this cycle.

Is it worth doing the winny for 4 weeks @ 40mg/ed and then the Var right after or am I flirting with danger?

If this is a dumb idea, let me know and Ill pawn the winny off to my buddy.

 

[Rachel...lol]

Well, this is what I joined this forum for. I am not going to do the 2 orals, you guys have scared me enough.

Should I keep the Var or Winny?
And at what dose, ed?

If you have var - forget the winny.

 

[d_rson]

Should I keep the Var or Winny?
And at what dose, ed?

See my post you replied to. If it's pharm grade you could probably get away with 40mg ED. If it's UG, crap shoot, but I'd atleast do 50mg ED.

 

[NinjaTurtles]

Diet in check, cardio 8 weeks. Like someone else said fasted am workouts, empty stomach. You will see better results this way and it will give you motivation throughout the day to eat clean. You will fill like a fatty after a good morning cardio when you eat unhealthy!

What are your goals?

 

[RADAR]

I'm taking a vacation it seems all the good bro's here have everything in good hands.



Peace out

RADAR

 

[bblazer]

thanks man.

As far as the creatine, would Xpand Xtreme Pump by Dymatize work; contains 5g per scoop.

I have to lose some BF before I do this cycle.

Is it worth doing the winny for 4 weeks @ 40mg/ed and then the Var right after or am I flirting with danger?

If this is a dumb idea, let me know and Ill pawn the winny off to my buddy.

I don't know about those supps. Keep it simple and just take straight creatine.

Forget the the Winstrol for now. Save it for another time. Just try the Anavar.

B-

 

[daveyboy2345]

i think var along with the eca stack and a lower calorie diet is all you need. basically your trying to add 8-10 lbs of muscle while loosing 8-10 lbs of fat, which is a reasonable 8-10 week goal.