winny and clen cycle

[Johnny V]

A friend of mine wants to cut up and gain no weight. Right now he is 205 at 6' and is real strict in his diet. The only problem is he does not have much money so is:

winny at 25 mg a day for 40 days
and a cycle of clen (2 weeks on 2 weeks off) doing and after this for 100 pills a good suggestion??

Please advise I am still not perfect on the cutting cycles and PLEASE keep in mind that money is a huge object for him so no he can not afford 3-4 bottles of winny......

 

[Johnny V]

bump.... Any problems with this?

 

[Yellowbomber]

this cycle should be OK, clen will help hinder the catabolic effects of his diet and Winny will harden up a bit, but still thing he misses some more androgenic component in order to keep sure of not loosing mass.
If money is the question use small doses of Prop (50mg eod).
Also the winny is better using 50mg eod.
This stack will harden him up and possibly he'll gain some pounds of lean mass from it.
Just my five ccm

 

[AnabolicDiabetic]

I'd do a four week cycle with higher doses of the winny and save the clen for after the cycle with some clomid. The mild anabolic properties of the clen will help maintain your muscle hardness/current size after the cycle. Keep the cardio high, reps and intensity high and you'll be very pleased with your results. IMO, you must have clomid if you don't want to fall into a catabolic state after a cycle while continuing to cut up.

 

[Dai Kaioushin]

Why do you use clomid after a winny only cycle? IMO you won't lose any weight (maybe 1-2lbs), your own testosterone producing ability won't be lower than when you off. I haven't heard such a strange idea so far. Clomid after winny...........

 

[AnabolicDiabetic]

Winny does shut down HPTA and YES you do need clomid after a winny only cycle. Even Anavar affects HPTA although not to the extent other compounds do.

 

[Johnny V]

Awesome guys thanks.... Any other thoughts? Not sure if he can afford another bottle of winney but thoughts on forcing him to get clomid?

Thanks bros!