Will roid gains vanish EVEN if genetic potential is not reach yet?

[leviterande]

Hi everyone,

I had this question in my head a long time now and I have been searching for an answer on this forum and others but didnt really find the answer I want. what I am wondering could simply best explained by the following: let us take a theoretical 200lb max genetic potential for a guy as an example):

this 160 guy thats far from his genetic potential, starts a cycle and adds 20lb quickly . He finishes the cycle and doesnt take any roids now. He is in other words now 180lbs and still under his "natural genetic potential". He now continues to train hard and has his diet in check. (assuming he does everything thing correctly).

will the 20lb roid gained muscle be lost despite all the correct training, diet and rest? or will he be able to keep it just as easily as if those 20lbs were earned naturally the hard, long and bloody way? I am very very very interested to know the answer

OBS! Im taking into account the guy knows exactly how to train, diet etc so these things are not to be taken into account but rather the biological/scientific side of the muscle building

Thanx a lot for your answers

 

[calpoly]

Its to my understanding that those gains will not diminish given his trianing and diet is dialed. However, using your example, if you come off cycle at 220, and stop all hormones, given enough time you'll eventually end back down to 200lbs.

 

[stevesmi]

if he knew how to train he wouldn't be 40 pounds below his natural potential in the first place and just 160 pounds. so yes he would lose most of it cause he doesn't know how to train or eat. your question is tough to answer accurately but that is the best answer i could come up with

and i've seen this a million times with people i know.. they jump on roids.. gain strength and look better.. then come off and lose all motivation and quit. then a couple months later or even 2 weeks later they jump back on. if you couldn't gain off steroids then trust me you won't like it when you come off then and watch your strength start going back down. you will either give up or just right back on.

so yeah build a base first so you don't become dependent on roids

 

[RickRock13]

As long as the individual has a solid PCT, a good training routine and eats enough to maintain that 180lbs....then yes they will keep it just as anyone would.

If they eat just as they did at 160, eventually they will be 160 again however.

 

[leviterande]

Its to my understanding that those gains will not diminish given his trianing and diet is dialed. However, using your example, if you come off cycle at 220, and stop all hormones, given enough time you'll eventually end back down to 200lbs.

yeah Im only talking about the genetic potential of muscle growth as anything more is undoubtly repelled by the body post-cycle sooner or later.

..so you confirm my thinking. But here is also the very mind boggling thing IMO, why not juice early on really and getting very fast results reaching your genetic potential fast, instead of doing it the hard blood-guts way, it seems like a case of a free lunch but there is no free lunch???

I know you are going to say that the experience, the tendons, ligament etc need time to cope with growth. But still.. that could be taken care of with proper training and good form, good range of motion weightlifting really... specially if you have 1 year of lifting experience


.. you could achieve in a year what you also could achieve naturally in 4...?


I would love to hear from people with experience... this seems too good to be true really. But you are 100% sure that the steroid gained muscles are exactly the same and therfore should stay if under the genetic potential

 

[eddymerckx]

they will disappear simply because you referred to them as "roid" gains (same applies to "juice" gains). Now if you had said gains from "gear" you would be able to keep them.

 

[leviterande]

they will disappear simply because you referred to them as "roid" gains (same applies to "juice" gains). Now if you had said gains from "gear" you would be able to keep them.

Sorry but Im confused, Whats difference between roids, gear, juice.. ha!!??? I just meant if you are on something

 

[stevesmi]

..so you confirm my thinking. But here is also the very mind boggling thing IMO, why not juice early on really and getting very fast results reaching your genetic potential fast, instead of doing it the hard blood-guts way, it seems like a case of a free lunch but there is no free lunch???

i just don't think you get the concept of this at all.. you sounds like you are totally new to this and very young.

i will put it like this.. muscle memory, knowledge, experience.. trumps a 20 year old going around juicing anyday. also maturity and knowing how to eat, sleep, live makes it a much bigger advantage

 

[leviterande]

i just don't think you get the concept of this at all.. you sounds like you are totally new to this and very young.

i will put it like this.. muscle memory, knowledge, experience.. trumps a 20 year old going around juicing anyday. also maturity and knowing how to eat, sleep, live makes it a much bigger advantage

Yes I was never on gear, Im 26, started lifting first time around 16 btw and I know that theres a lot of things going on in to build muscle, a lot of things that I never stop learning. but still a juicer that knows how to train will beat an natural that knows how to train anyday too ofcourse. Ofcourse, a totall beginner that doesnt know anything wont build any mass regardless of all the drugs in the world, that wasnt my point in my original post. I was talking about what would happen to the muscles scientific/biological/physiological wise and not in effect and terms of the trainees experience,which ofcourse as you mentioned would add a whole great deal of unlimited variables..

Thanx

 

[eddymerckx]

Sorry but Im confused, Whats difference between roids, gear, juice.. ha!!??? I just meant if you are on something

roids are what Hollywood and high school kids refer to steroids and related substances; juice is what bad 80's sportscasters call them. gear is for men.