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I take Dexedrine. An amphetamine aka "speed". I take it everyday due to my ADD. Will this med affect my thyroid? Will it cause it to slow down within time?
Will my thyroid slow down?
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I just took a look into it, and it may effect your thyroid. I dont know if it slows it down though...It seems the guy said he stopped taking it, and gained weight, but that might have been from withdrawels? Im unsure. but Im sure google will fin your answer if you dont want to have to wait for responses.
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ALIN
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Have yyou discussed this with your doctor. I'll have to do some
research on that, I truly dont know the answer, but I would guess
that you would probably be fine.
tical
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One thing to consider is that constant stimulation from stuff like adderall, dexedrine, ritalin, etc can create a stressful environment for your body to be dealing with. This could fatigue your adrenal glands causing you to produce less cortisol.
Less cortisol = less T3 getting into cells = reduced metabolism. Basically hypothyroidism.
This is just a possibility as I've heard some doctors say that amphetamines can put strain on the adrenal glands. Don't know if it's true though.
Less cortisol = less T3 getting into cells = reduced metabolism. Basically hypothyroidism.
This is just a possibility as I've heard some doctors say that amphetamines can put strain on the adrenal glands. Don't know if it's true though.
And what does my doc have to check for? ACTH? Or cortisol itself?
Doesn't taking steroids do the same thing to the adrenals?
tical
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You could check by blood, with an AM Cortisol test but that only shows you an early morning reading.
ACTH is just a signaling hormone, it's somewhat useful but doesn't necessarily say how much cortisol is actually being produced by the adrenals.
Best bet is a 4x saliva test, that measures your cortisol amount and rhythm throughout the day (zrtlabs has a saliva test for around 120 bucks). You just collect spit 4 times in a day and then mail it in.
It is supposed to be highest in the morning and gradually decrease at night.
http://www.acupuncturehealth.net/images/cortisol.gif
Excessive steroid use could potetially fatigue the adrenals or reduce the building blocks (pregnenolone conversion from cholesterol) necessary to produce sufficient cortisol. That's probably why guys that do crazy long cycles end up with fucked up endocrine issues. When you shut LH/FSH off and you're not replacing this function (by something like HCG) bad things can happen. In some cases, HCG isn't enough to stimualte pregnenolone conversion from cholesterol.
I was on TRT for about 2 years and my preg levels were at 12 (range 20-120). My cortisol was low even though my life was much less stressful, i was constantly fatigued, hard to think straight, hypoglycemic, hypothyroid, etc. I had NONE of these problems prior to starting TRT.
In my case HCG didn't do enough. I could have used transdermal pregnenolone cream or something, but at this point i was just fed up and didn't want to add anything else. I wanted to get back to "normal".
Seems like I'm going now through what YOU went through a while back. And you were able to fix yourself. How did you do it? Do you have a doc that you can refer me too?
What was your HRT protocol like before? What drugs and doses? How did you feel like before back in the days before fixing up your Preg. levels? Were you experiencing what I'm going through now?
What about NOW? How is your HRT like? Drugs and doses?
No it shouldn't... it might appear so since you're used to the meds and they do artificially increase your BMR. Get a quick thyroid panel just to make sure but you're probably fine
I always thought that speed and fat burners (ECA, clen etc) decreased thyroid after about 2-3 weeks. Isn't that why people are able to burn fat from taking fat burners for about 2-3 weeks before it's effects stop? Isn't it due to the fat burner slowing down the thyroid?
All I remember is this. I'm 34 now. But when I was like 23 years old, I was always pretty hard. Less carbs....less harder. More carbs...more harder. If I used gear (didn't matter which drug), I became harder and stronger. Libido and mood always went up much higher!
Than one day, after being on 500mgs of Sustanon for a few week, everything went bad! I remember waking up and had NO morning wood. Which to me was weird. I also noticed that I didn't feel much joy or pleasure that day from anything I did. I remember looking at porn and NOT giving a damn! And the one thing that really got my attention is that I woke up VERY, VERY SOFT! All my veins and pumped up hard muscles became flat and soft. All after going to sleep!
After that is when I began to lose my mind. Trying to figure out what the hell was going on! I did immediately thought that I had E levels. I had them checked out and they were a little high. So I began to take Arimdex to lower my E. Which it did help bring my E levels to the low range. But it did NOTHING to make me feel or look better. I remained soft and weak with no libido.
I came off of everything and ran a PCT. No luck! Took months off from taking anything. No luck! Got back on 250mgs of Test a week with HCG. Still nothing! With 250mgs of Test alone, I should've been feeling great! And my body would've became harder and stronger. But it remained soft and weak! As if I had been carb depleted. And it's pretty much been like that ever since! Even now if I were take highly androgenic drugs like Masteron and especially Tren! I only get moderately hard and strong. No where near what I used to be able to get back in the days. And with ONLY 250mgs of Test!
I haven't been a normal man since that shit happened to me years ago. Gone to so many docs. All of them are different. All of them check for different things. And all of said that I am fine. But of course, none of them were HRT docs. And I really doubt any of them checked (back in the days) checked for progesterone or dhea or any other hormone. Leaving no stones unturned.
The one doc that put me on Test years ago (androgel) didn't even suggest to put me on HCG! And my balls at that time were small and soft. Docs here where I am are not very good. It's like I have to tell them what to do and what to check for. I really need someone very knowledgable to help/guide me. Because from what I've been through so far. I don't believe in docs anymore. They simply do not put all their effort into helping me.
I'm 34 years old. I don't want to keep feeling like I'm fucking 80 years old. I want to live my young life NOW that I'm young. When will I begin to feel normal once again? When I turn 50 years old?! And both my wife and I aren't looking young and sexy anymore? Know what I mean?
tical
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I replied to your PM Carth, hopefully it helps.
Just to get some of my thoughts public, I believe that there is something else going on that is preventing you from feeling right. This might not even be related to sex hormones. If your metabolism is downregulating due to other factors (cortisol, thyroid) imagine how many other processes are affected. Neurological function is just ONE of them and this could be a huge reason for problems with libido and plenty of other things in general.
If you are convinced you can't come off TRT via a restart, definitely look into adrenals and pregnenolone. A lot of this could be psychological as well. High testosterone levels are very appealing psychologically and coming off cycle and having mid range T is looked at as a bummer. I told myself that even if my natural test is in the low-medium range that I'm going to stay off TRT for long enough to determine if other things start to fall into place. If I want high T I will cycle for short periods of time. Unless my test falls into the 100s, I'm done with year round TRT.
I am personally convinced that being on exogenous testosterone for too long is affecting our ability to convert pregnenolone from cholesterol. This affects sex hormones and stress hormones. We need LH/FSH in order to create this building block for a huge cascade of reactions. This might not be true for all men, but probably for some of us. Sure we can attempt to support pregnenolone reserves by using transdermal creams or oral supplementation, but who knows how effective that is (labs don't show an increase in preg from transdermals).
Either way, to confirm this, get your cortisol and pregnenolone levels checked bro. Then decide what to do from there.
One other thing you can do in the meantime, take your temperature a couple of times throughout the day (and the next couple of days) and post up your average. Do this while NOT being on any stimulants like adderall, etc. That is one way of determining metabolic function. If your temperature is low your metabolism is off and this is probably creating problems all over your body. The next step would be to find out why and I'm willing to bet the key lies in pregnenolone and cortisol.
If this is true then this is probably the reason so many people on extended cycles / TRT are suddenly left to deal with new health issues down the road.
Just to get some of my thoughts public, I believe that there is something else going on that is preventing you from feeling right. This might not even be related to sex hormones. If your metabolism is downregulating due to other factors (cortisol, thyroid) imagine how many other processes are affected. Neurological function is just ONE of them and this could be a huge reason for problems with libido and plenty of other things in general.
If you are convinced you can't come off TRT via a restart, definitely look into adrenals and pregnenolone. A lot of this could be psychological as well. High testosterone levels are very appealing psychologically and coming off cycle and having mid range T is looked at as a bummer. I told myself that even if my natural test is in the low-medium range that I'm going to stay off TRT for long enough to determine if other things start to fall into place. If I want high T I will cycle for short periods of time. Unless my test falls into the 100s, I'm done with year round TRT.
I am personally convinced that being on exogenous testosterone for too long is affecting our ability to convert pregnenolone from cholesterol. This affects sex hormones and stress hormones. We need LH/FSH in order to create this building block for a huge cascade of reactions. This might not be true for all men, but probably for some of us. Sure we can attempt to support pregnenolone reserves by using transdermal creams or oral supplementation, but who knows how effective that is (labs don't show an increase in preg from transdermals).
Either way, to confirm this, get your cortisol and pregnenolone levels checked bro. Then decide what to do from there.
One other thing you can do in the meantime, take your temperature a couple of times throughout the day (and the next couple of days) and post up your average. Do this while NOT being on any stimulants like adderall, etc. That is one way of determining metabolic function. If your temperature is low your metabolism is off and this is probably creating problems all over your body. The next step would be to find out why and I'm willing to bet the key lies in pregnenolone and cortisol.
If this is true then this is probably the reason so many people on extended cycles / TRT are suddenly left to deal with new health issues down the road.
AlannaWilson
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