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widen my chest!

supersonica

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I want to widen my chest, is there anything I can do that will widen it or do I just have to put on more and more size forcing it get wider? I don't really want to keep bulking it up because it's way ahead of my other body parts, I just want to widen it.
 
If you work on widening your lats and shoulders it can help your chest appear to be wider ---- since you said your chest is already way ahead of your other bodyparts.
 
Db flies may give the effect of widening the chest because when a muscle is under a great stretch it's muscle fibers may actually lenthen towards their insertion. Would this be enough of an effect to cause a visual difference? Probably not.

Another thing you can try to do is work your pec minor in seperate from your major. The pec minor runs underneath the pec major near your armpits, and causing this muscle to grow would give the appearence of a larger upper/outer chest. To work this get into a standard bench press position and just push your shoulders forward, without moving your arms.

Other than that, nothing you can do...
 
Take 2 ropes and tie one to each arm. Next attach the other ends to 2 automobiles. Find 2 people who really hate you to drive each car. On the count of 3, have them accelerate as fast as possible in opposite directions- your chest will get very wide from this.
 
cable crossovers - broaden your pec minor (as described above).

I also would maybe start off on incline bench so you could go heavier.

if you're not doing incline - well...
 
I definitely agree that its partly genetic because naturally I have very wide shouders which, in turn, causes my chest to be very very wide. But then again since I have started working out I have dont strict heavy flat dumbbell flyes and incline dumbbell flyes really focusing on stretching out the entire pectoral area really broadening my pecs all the way. I dont know I am an advocate of incline presses too so I dont know where my chest gained off of its size from but its definitely one of my best bodyparts. :rolleyes:
 
thanks for the input.....for those of you that actually answered the question. I just wanted to know if it was worth concentrating on a lot of flyes and crossovers- which i have already been doing after controlled incline presses that really stretch the f..... out of my chest. to tell the truth, i think it is mainly genetic. my chest workout looks something like flex wheelers- although my chest is actually much bigger(lol). don't get me wrong, i am happy with my chest, just wanted to see if it could be wider without being bigger.:fro:
 
Exercises that stretch the rib-cage seem to have helped me out; things like pull-ups, where you go all the way to the bottom to get a nice stretch in the lats, and lying dumbell pullovers. I realize the pull-ups aren't specifically a chest exercise, but I believe that they do have an effect in widening the entire rib-cage. :evil:
 
The bones in the rib cage are permanently fused together. No exercise is going to widen the rib cage....lol

The chest will take shape once it becomes bigger, and no specific exercise changes the shape of the muscle.
 
The only way to "widen" your chest, would have to be different DB exercises. Flyes and regular presses. seeing as you can go lower with DBs than with BBs
 
I have a massive rib cage and I have been doing dumbbell pullovers for around 4 years... I would attribute much of my rib-cage size to these. I dont really believe in breathing pullovers the way Arnold used to preach. In my opinion heavy dumbbell pullovers thicken up your serratus anterior muscles along with your intercostals which run along/under your pecs which will help set your pecs out more. When viewed from the side my chest really stand out from my body. I dont know this is just my opinion Im not totally sure.
 
Mr Muscle, i know you used speech marks to describe widen, but you are still insinuating that certain exercise can specify growth in particular areas.

The chest will not grow more at one point than at the other. The muscle grows in uniform - other wise your muscles would be all lumpy and bumpy.
 
im just saying that if you do DB exercises, you will get a greater stretch at the bottom of the exercise. and then you may hit the outer parts more than with barbells..only way i can think of making the musle seem wider.
 
but the only thing i ever got out of it was some beautifull stretchmarks...

are you cackerots brother or sumthing..cuz your going after my ass just as he always did back in the old days
 
Again, you are insinuating that db's stretch the pecs into growing 'wider'. Bull. DB flyes help promote growth in pecs as a whole, not in outer, inner, upper, lower, outey, inney, opposite, top rightey, bottom backwardy or crossity pecs.

And no, i'm not Cackerot's brother, I'm his 'Brotha'. And I think you'll find that people 'go after your ass' because you are giving out [or at least insinuating] wrong information, at least on this post anyway.
 
I don't have a narrow mind - i want to grow and i want the method that will make me grow quickest. I'm sure other people share my goal, so i share the method that can get them there.

It's rather simple actually...
 
Why do i get sore in my upper chest when i go from flat bench press to incline press, surely this would mean localised growth.
 
No it doesnt but it would imply that a different segment of muscle has been used.

Doms is characterised by unaccustomed exercise, if say a certain muscle performs a certain function then when i change exercises for that muscle there should be no soreness as it is accustomed. This is not the case.
 
So you are saying that you can make your upper chest grow more than your lower chest?

Come on, don't be silly. Muscles grow in uniform.

You said that it implies that a different segment of muscle has been used - the chest grows as a whole no matter what. If not, then your muscles would be all lumpy and uneven.
 
within reason.

A muscle fiber does not run the whole lenghth of a muscle. I do agree with you, but when a muscle contracts the whole muscle contracts, but if 2 exercises are performed for the same muscle then these elicit soreness in different areas which would imply that this area had not been stressed sufficiently in the other exercise.

Can i also add that most of my training revolves around few exercise, just the basics.
 
Why has no one mentioned wide grip incline and bench presses? I don't care about all this science shit. Inclines make my upper chest sore, declines make my lower chest sore and wide grip benches make the outside of my chest sore. Since I switched to wide grip benches my chest has gotten wider and looks better so ill keep doing them.
 
Are you calling me an idiot? Your telling me that if someone did exclusively flat movements all their life and another guy only ever did incline movements their chests would grow the same? Assume the two people are genetically identical.
 
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Guess so.
Years of training (real life experience) have shown me that doing flat benches makes the lower portion of my chest grow and incline make my upper chest grow so robboe I think you are full of shit.
Later
 
flat bench and incline bench work to different parts of the chest, so no you wont grow a identical chest ,inclines make the chest look bigger anyways
 
Jakethemus: you are thick as shit. You can't make one part of a muscle grow more than another.

Infact, i am sick of saying this now.
 
Jakethemus: you are thick as shit. You can't make one part of a muscle grow more than another.

Infact, i am sick of saying this now so I'll tell you what: you carry on believing that you can make part of your chest grow ahead of another and i'll just laugh and ignore you ok? good...
 
Robboe said:
Jakethemus: you are thick as shit. You can't make one part of a muscle grow more than another.

Infact, i am sick of saying this now so I'll tell you what: you carry on believing that you can make part of your chest grow ahead of another and i'll just laugh and ignore you ok? good...

Robboe you are right it is one muscle and therefore it grows together, but the pectoralis major has 3 different muscle fiber strokes a upper a middle and a lower and it is possible to train each part a little bit more than the rest thru different exercises, and in doing this you might see a little more development of that fiber stroke (but that development is not big and often not even visible.)

:fro:
 
And answer my question that I posted earlier you fucking baby, here it is;
Your telling me that if someone did exclusively flat movements all their life and another guy only ever did incline
movements their chests would grow the same? Assume the two people are genetically identical.
 
Jesus...

OK, soreness is not fully understood as of now, the most commonly accepted theory of muscles soreness is that macrophage activity is the cause. So, why would there be more macrophage activity in your upper chest and not your lower? Well, let's take a look at the chests anatomy (since someone brought it up). The pectorals major has two heads, the clavicular and the sternal. Clavicular = upper, sternal = lower. Then we have the pec minor which runs underneath the pec major just about directly to the side of the armpits. The pec minor IS a sperate muscle, with a seperate insertion and orgin, and a seperate function (it intializes a press). If your pec minor is sore, your upper/outer chest will be sore. If your pec major is sore, you whole chest will be sore. If both are sore, the whoe, chest will be sore, but moreso in the upper/outer portion. Now one of the pec minors functions is forward movement away the midline of the body; moving the scapula away from the spine during protration of the shoulder girdle. Yep, this is an incline press. So, an incline press may make your upper chest more sore than your lower because the pec minor has been worked to a greater degree. This is not making one part of the chest grow more than another, this is making one muscle grow more than another. The clavicular and sternal heads of the pec major cannot be seperated (these are what people refer to as the upper and lower chest), because the human anatomy does not allow it. Not even for Arnold.
 
Jake: Pretty much yes, only the dude doing the inclines might have a more developed pec minor. Since the pec minor runs along the 3rd to 5th ribs, this may possibly make his upper chest look fuller, but not bigger. And this is only a 'possibility', not a 'definately'. [i know their genetics are identical] but the kind of genetics the two men have will contribute to this factor.
 
Well there we are, thanks for that answer by the way Cackerot69.
I got pissed robboe cause you seemed to be saying that upper and outer chest work is pointless, and I know from experience that's its not.
Peace
 
Declines may give you a big chest but after a few years of doing only that you will not be happy with your upper chest. Try it and find out for yourself.
 
I agree with roboe that with heavy wights it is easier to generate large fiber recruitment than with all those tiny detailed exercises. Otherwise Anybody could get big arms just from just doing triceps kickbacks and biceps concentration curls !!!

However these exercises still can be used by advanced guys as they have developed the neural pathways and mental hardness to force moving a relatively heavy weight in an exercise without the possibillity of cheating or using momentum/acceleration.

But I still maintain that angles and insertion points of the muscles can make a difference. Most noticable , SQUATING gives me larger upper frontal and outer quads while leg pressing (i use much heavier weight than with squating) tend to localize development the teardrops near the knee. Mind you, if the weight and the reps are intens enough the frontal/outer quads kick in to some degree. But not enough to render serious growth in that area (in my case)

I think that for muscles that run parralel like bi's and tris it is much more difficult to make the inner or outer head grow ahead of the outer. Exercises that seem to focus on speciffically the inner or outer head typically are exercises that require lighter weight (so probably less fiber recruitment, maybe ok for the advanced bb)

However chest, the muscles do not insert a various points so i feel that hitting pecs with different angles does make a difference. Again this will only work if you use the heavy weights (Robboe is right all the way here) and watch out not to put all your enrgy in cable crosses and incline flies. I think the incline dumbell press (at 30 and 35 degrees) has got to be the best overall pec exercise as it complies to three important rules:

- full range of motion
- heavy weight
- specific (you can target the upper pecs from desired angle)

Now about the full range of motion. Why do we need that anyway? If we follow Robboes filosofy about doing just the heavy basics for overall development than why not do only partial reps barbell curls?

Again the answer lies in the fact that only andvanced guys have developed the neaural pathways to recruit more fibers using isolation/partial movements

Did you know good old sege nubret could develope his upper and lower chest just doing 20 sets of barbell benchpresses in a workout , eventhough his upper chest clearly inserted at different angle...
Well again it is neural pathways, Subconsciously he could contract his upper pecs to a large extend as well while doing the exercise. Unfortunately most of us are not like nubret so we have to do some angled work to force pathways to develope....

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