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Why you should not choose Sustanon as a Test

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Immortal Juicer

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Sustanon has probably got to be the most popular drug among those who dont know anything about steroids, that and dbol. If you are really looking for the best testosteone product to take, Sus is not top of the list.

People say that Sus hits 4 different receptors. I'm not even going to waste my time addressing that. Sustanon is a blend of 4 different esters attached to the testosteone which determine how fast or slow the hormone is released into the bloodstream.

Its original purpose is for hormone replacement therapy and it is excellent for that because older men can take only one shot a month and the long acting deconate ester will keep their test levels at a decent level the entire month.

We want our test levels jacked to the max all the time, not just some steady decrease over a month. That is why I think its smarter to stick with a single ester which you have more control over its clearence time and are able to maintain a high level constantly throughout the cycle.

You can get into preloading with the Sustanon if you really want to do your homework and do a search and you will find some good graphs that demonstrate plasma test levels.

My pesonal test of choice is Enanthate. 500mg twice a week. Its convenient and effective. All test is the same you just have to understand how fast it acts and how frequently to inject.

I hope this helped out some newbies, I'm just up on adderall and rambling at this point.:D If someone disagrees, please correct me if I'm wrong.

Peace, bros.
 
I have had great results with sus and omnadren, but have also had great results from test enanthate alone. The best test cycle Ive had to date was an omnadren cycle, hitting it every 3 days for 12 weeks, blew away any human grade enanthate cycle Ive ever done at around the same dosage.
 
I like Cypionate with an amp of Prop added.Cutting at the moment,doing 1 amp Cyp ( 200mg ) with 1 amp Prop ( 100mg ) 3 times per week along with 600mg/wk of EQ.If bulking i would up it to 4 times per week.I think Sust takes too long to kick in!
 
I didn't like OMNA...I felt that it didn't hit me as well as one ester does, I won't do Sust or Omna again. Too hard to keep blood levels consistent and I didn't get the strength gains either. I like PROP, hurts like hell, but, after 2 or 3 injections...you're ON.
 
gimp said:
I didn't like OMNA...I felt that it didn't hit me as well as one ester does, I won't do Sust or Omna again. Too hard to keep blood levels consistent and I didn't get the strength gains either. I like PROP, hurts like hell, but, after 2 or 3 injections...you're ON.
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Prop = pin cushion
 
sustanon is fine for everyone!
the reason for its popularity among amateurs is its great availability and cheap prices.

sure, enanthate will peak in you bloodstream faster but you canno say that you can't cause even blood concentration levels with sustanon. you just have to know when and how much to take each injection.

ciao
 
Welcome back Nelson, I hope you had a great time in FL.

Now back to the topic...

It is also popular amoung those who know a great deal about AAS! It is great for putting on mass and making strength gains.

Also, unlike other testosterone compounds such as cypionate and enanthate, Sustanon reportedly leads to less water retention and estrogenic sides. (No personal experience, just research.)

I do not see why bi-weekly injects would not keep levels nice an stable.

An just a closing shot, how does staying up all night on adderall help your bodybuilding efforts?


:rolleyes:
 
let's see:

2nd cycle just sust=great gains (15lbs)
3rd cycle just enanthate = very small gains (5lbs tops)
4th cycle sust,tren,winny=tremendous gains thus far 8lbs&ripped.

perhaps it's the circumstances & cycle number, but I would choose sust over enanthate any day.

btw, all were highest quality companies.
 
Enanthate, cypionate, and Sustanon all have their place. I was just taking exception with the blanket statements being made.

I have read that Sust is slightly better the Enanthate and Cyp in terms of gynecomastic (sp ?) sides. Anyone support or rebut this position?

Also, it is a good in a cycle all by itself.

In short, Sust is a good friend to many. :D
 
I felt that for hormone replacement therapy most Drs. would rather put thier patients on Testosterone Enthanate not Sustanon. You hold some water with Test En but it's better than Sustanon and lasts longer. Gains are solid .
 
not this shit again, I just posted a link a while ago showing that sust doesn't need to be shot eod for even levels, do you want me to post it again?
 
i personally like pure human enanthate, ICN's testo's etc much much better than sust, but thats just from experience and personaly oppinion
 
I agree that sus is last resort. My main problem is that it takes too long to kick in, unless you are shooting it everyday. But more importantly, it takes 4 weeks to get totaly clear of your system. That means you have to wait 4 weeks after your last shot before you start clomid for proper recovery. Im my opinion, that is a long ass time to be on cycle. Take prop or suspension for example. After your last shot you can practicaly start clomid the following day. Prop would be after 2 or 3 days. I have tried cyp, sustanon, suspension, and prop and by far i kept the most amount of gains after the suspension/prop cocktail at 100mgs each every other day, along with 50mgs of winny a day.

DBAG
 
Nelson Montana said:
That reasoning isn't very logical.
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Can you elaborate on that? I'm not saying its worthless, just that single esters are more effective than a blend of esters. Its popularity is due to its availability, not effectiveness.

Its one of the easiest to find AAS so most newbies start out on one or two sus a week, gain 15lbs of both water and some muscle in 8 weeks, and think spread the word that Sus is a miracle drug when there are better choices out there.

As far a the "less sides like gyno and water retention," thats a quote from some old sustanon profile thats outdated due to the anti-estrogens like Aromasin and arimidex that are available today.

Sus can be very effective if you take the time to learn about the esters and plan out your shots to keep your hormome levels up. Check about the post on the proper way to use Sus where he goes into the esters and suggests taking an amp a day for 2 weeks and then letting the esters go to work. Its a good theory, but probably too much for someone starting out their first or second cycle. You need to have the ancillaries ready and know what to expect.

BTW, adderall doesnt help my bodybuilding efforts but it sure as hell helps out with school. Its catabolic to the body but anabolic to your GPA:)
 
Every anti-sus statement on this thread is wrong.

The advantage of sus has nothing to do with different receptor sites.All testosterone has the same effect on the body. Prefering one type or brand to another is a misguided perception. They're the same.

Sus is made of different testosterones that simply release at various lengths. This makes for a MORE even distribution, not less. (Unless you want to shoot small amounts of T every day). This is the reason sus is less likely to cause gyno and water retention. It isn't anything magical.

Whoever said sus doesn't kick in as fast acting doesnt have their facts straight. Sus contains T proprionate which is as fast acting as it gets. Blood levels of testosterone will increase up to 4000 ngs within minutes after a single shot is administered.

The statement that it stays active for 4 weeks is also incorrect. Although it has a long half life, an effective dose lasts about 14 days.


The reason docs prefer cyponate over sustanon for HRT is very simple.

SUSTANON IS ILLEGAL!!!

It isn't manufactured by an American pharmaceutical company, therefore it can not be sold here. If it were, it would be an ideal form of HRT. As it stands, sus is the best of the testosterones, simply because of its multiple esters. It's smoother yet it's stronger.
 
I think you misunderstood me.

Nelson Montana said:
Every anti-sus statement on this thread is wrong.

The advantage of sus has nothing to do with different receptor sites.All testosterone has the same effect on the body. Prefering one type or brand to another is a misguided perception. They're the same.

Sus is made of different testosterones that simply release at various lengths. This makes for a MORE even distribution, not less. (Unless you want to shoot small amounts of T every day). This is the reason sus is less likely to cause gyno and water retention. It isn't anything magical.

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When I said I wasnt even going to waste my time on the receptor issue, it was because of just what you said. There are no different types of receptor sites for different esters of test. They are all the same. Test is all the same, too. Its the ester that is attached to it which controls its release. Test is test. Receptors are receptors.

Nelson Montana said:


Whoever said sus doesn't kick in as fast acting doesnt have their facts straight. Sus contains T proprionate which is as fast acting as it gets. Blood levels of testosterone will increase up to 4000 ngs within minutes after a single shot is administered.

The statement that it stays active for 4 weeks is also incorrect. Although it has a long half life, an effective dose lasts about 14 days.


The reason docs prefer cyponate over sustanon for HRT is very simple.

SUSTANON IS ILLEGAL!!!

It isn't manufactured by an American pharmaceutical company, therefore it can not be sold here. If it were, it would be an ideal form of HRT. As it stands, sus is the best of the testosterones, simply because of its multiple esters. It's smoother yet it's stronger.
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All steroids are illegal. I just remember reading that whoever manufactured Sustanon did so for that purpose. It is an ideal form of HRT.

But thats not why anyone on this board is taking it. For bodybuilding purposes, a single ester test is preferrable.
 
Wrong again.

Testosterone ehanthate and cypionate are not illegal. They're controlled substances , but they are legal by prescription. Sus is not.
 
Nelson,

Looking at it from my point of view this is what I see:

There is some small amounts of fast acting testosterone in sustanon right? Well those esters will peak really fast but they will not "stay in the system" as long since their half lives are much shorter than some of the longer esters. So the way I see it is that the fast acting esters get wasted as it becomes like shooting prop 40mg/week. Will 40miligrams of propionate do anything in one week? Granted there are some longer esters in there, the short esters still get WASTED.

What am I saying wrong here?

-sk
 
Why is it wasted? You're in a highly anabolic state that will continue for some time. (After it's gone, the others are still kicking. )

Just because the prop is short acting doesn't mean it's a waste. That's like saying D-bol is a waste because it's half life is less than a day.
 
Even though my name is Sus250 . I do not use the shit anymore. I cannot stand sweating while I am sleeping all night long for 10 straight weeks. It sux
 
If you're sensitive to it, there's no way a comparable amount of test wouldn't have the same effect. Sounds like you either took too much or had some bogus gear. Sus should not cause night sweats.
 
Nelson, do I take my first dose of Clomid 21 days after my last shot of sus? I always hear 3 weeks, but someone in this post said 4, just making sure. Thanks
 
I thought Clomid is good post cycle to keep your gains? What is your suggestion for post cycle therapy? I can get Nolva too.
 
I was using 500mg at the time. I swear it was from the Sus or the Anavar's I was on. When I stopped taking the sus250 the sweating slowing decreased and have not had a problem since. They were Karachi's by the way. Usually nothing to worry about
 
I'm a big proponant of Sustenon. Its been the staple of all my cycles... I've done 5 cycles over the last four years. My first 2 cycles were Sus only... I put on 30lbs of LBM that year. They were low-dosers too: Cycle 1 was 250mg/EW. Cycle 2 was 250mg/E5D Each was 12 weeks long. The last 3 cycles I've done, I've stacked Sus with all sorts of shit: Deca, EQ, Winstrol, Proviron. I've always been pleased with the results Sustenon has given me.
 
Cmon...

Nelson Montana said:
Sus is made of different testosterones that simply release at various lengths.
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WRONG AGAIN. There is only one kind of testosterone. Sustanon is a blend of 4 different esters attached to the exact same testosterone. :D


Cmon, bro. Why are you going to call out little irrelevant errors of minor technical explanations like that when we are all on the same page and know what we are talking about.

Like I dont know that AAS are Sch III drugs and available only by prescription. But the legal way you refer to isnt the way 90% of bodybuilders obtain them, so its pretty much irrelevant to the board except as something to look forward to down the road.

Stop busting my balls:bawling:

Seriously, thanks for bringing all your years of technical, personal, and professional experience and knowledge to the board. Its good to have you.:D
 
But breaking balls is what I do best!:D

Appreciate the good attitude bro.

Actually, the comment about the legality of sus was directed to the guy who mentioned HRT.

The thing is this; test is test. Sus can be a very elegant (Dan Duchaine's word) form of test because of its blend. It takes a little planning, but the results are worth it. But all these comparisons between testosterones are silly. It's like arguing over the difference between Exxon gasoline and Sunoco gasoline.
 
Yo Nelson, you dissed Clomid before. I was going to use it post cycle, do u have a better idea??? I have Nolva too.
 
Well Nelson, we don't all live in the great old USA now do we, so sust is very legal in MANY places. I too agree that it is only so popular due to its availablility and its "ooohhh my god, i took two sust and blew up on my first cycle" ICN's rule!!
 
Deezal: I don't believe in doing cycles that shut you down hard. But if you do, use HCG.
 
The first problem that I have with sust is the first few weeks of waiting for the longer esters to kick in. Sure your not gona have much water retention at first, b/c you are not even getting 200mg of test in your blood.

IMO- any slow acting ester is going to make it hard to keep blood levels consistant. I dont think that enanthate or cyp have any advantage over sust on that issue. I also have a hard time understanding the concept of front loading sust. No matter how much you take, the slow esters are not going to kick in any faster.

Nelson- I would like for you to elaborate a little on your issue with clomid. I really dont see how hcg is going to do anything to help in the long run unless your getting LH into the testies.
 
What's more important than the type of test you are taking is your injection schedule. Sust 250 EOD works well with the prop, looks good on the blood level graphs. Pick the ester and amount and do the math, choose the one that has a blood level best suited for what your doing.
 
I can get HCG too but isn't it just a temporary fix? I mean, everyone on here says to do Clomid post-cycle and now you two guys say its junk. Can u please elaborate on this subject? I'll start a new post...
 
ight i am taking sustanon 250 and i need to no what i take with it. iam 160lbs 6'2 and like 12 body fat. any info would be great like wen to take it and how much
 
donkeypunch16 said:
ight i am taking sustanon 250 and i need to no what i take with it. iam 160lbs 6'2 and like 12 body fat. any info would be great like wen to take it and how much
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First of all, talk about resurrection! Look at this old thread! These are OG peeps! I remember most of these bros. Haven't seen a few of them in a long time though.

Now...6'2" and 160 lbs!?!?!? Jeeezus dood! Too bad you started taking any A.A.S before you built some size naturally. Shame. But, too late. IF you are already taking sust, you don't need anything else with it. 1 cc twice a week (250mg twice a week) is all you need.

If you are NOT taking it yet...DON'T! Just research on the forums here (not just AAS forum, but weight training and diet forums) and get on a good program and EAT HUGE! Set a goal to get 250-300 grams protein/day. Eat every 2-3 hours. Carbs are your friend too. Shoot for 4000 cals/day as your first stage goal.

Damn bro, you're skinny, and eating and working out right should get you to at least 180 within a year, 190-200 in 2 years. Wait at least that long before you even think about using aas.

Having said that, you will do what you will do. That is why I still say you don't need anything with that sust. Can't stop someone when their mind is already made up.

Good Luck.
 
ceo said:
First of all, talk about resurrection! Look at this old thread! These are OG peeps! I remember most of these bros. Haven't seen a few of them in a long time though.

Now...6'2" and 160 lbs!?!?!? Jeeezus dood! Too bad you started taking any A.A.S before you built some size naturally. Shame. But, too late. IF you are already taking Sustanon, you don't need anything else with it. 1 cc twice a week (250mg twice a week) is all you need.

If you are NOT taking it yet...DON'T! Just research on the forums here (not just anabolic androgenic steroids forum, but weight training and diet forums) and get on a good program and EAT HUGE! Set a goal to get 250-300 grams protein/day. Eat every 2-3 hours. Carbs are your friend too. Shoot for 4000 cals/day as your first stage goal.

Damn bro, you're skinny, and eating and working out right should get you to at least 180 within a year, 190-200 in 2 years. Wait at least that long before you even think about using anabolic androgenic steroids.

Having said that, you will do what you will do. That is why I still say you don't need anything with that Sustanon. Can't stop someone when their mind is already made up.

Good Luck.
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Donkey may have naturally LOW test levels... If that is the case... eating and working out will not be enough... Testosterone is his answer...
 
Well the only way that he would know if he had low test would be to get a blood test. He should take Ceo's advice and train more before jumping on the juice. And damn this thread is like 4 years old is there really a reason to ressurect it, but I guess I am not helping matters.
 
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