Actually, Ironhorse Liquid Clenbutrx was one of the best so called fat burners on the market at the time. As long as you didn't believe their advertising hype, and now the score with ECA stack products. It was pulled because it had Ephedra in it. You will find that the only way you can get your ephedrine anymore is at the gas station. A lot of them stock the 25mg. ephedring hcl tabs. In my opinion, two of those, a no-doze, and a baby aspirin is the best way to handle your ECA stack. Just my 2 cents, but what do I know?