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Why Use all these high doses?

MrRTTB

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I look around this board and are stunned to see all these steroid dose recommendations. What happened to a low dose dbol cycle or a low test cycle for a first or second cycle. Personally I do not beleeve you have to increase the dose each cycle, well maybe to a point, but maybe people would get more out of the cycles they ran if they put more time into their diet, training and Rest. Maybe I'm wrong, you experts tell me please, why recommend several different steroids in one cycle at doses that will do more damage than good. I beleeve it's often a waste. We are now talking about the first cycles you run.

What happened to the 250mg Testosterone for 8-10 weeks? For most of us this is a lot. Instead people add another 250 and sometimes more. Steroids can be great, but they can also make a lot of damage. So, respect the "power" of the S-vitamine and start low.

A few years back someone told me to try a low dose of dbol, the dose was 10mg. I thought he didn't know shit and that 10mg would not do much at all. After a period of trying the 10mg in the morning cycle for PCT I decided to try it out. I used 10mg of Dbol for 100 days and checked my blood values, liver before during and after. I'm not saying that this cycle is recommended for everyone, but it worked great for me. My sleep improved, my apetite increased along with my strength and weight.

I think a lot of ones on this and other boards would get a lot bigger, stronger and maybe even feel better if they used lower doses and spent more money on solid foods and took more time off the gym between sessions.

Whats your thoughts?
 
Ive heard alot of people mention just 250mg/ew..Theres usually solid advice on here.
 
peligroso said:
Well 250mg of test will work for a 5'7 170 lbs guy but the same dosage will work for a 6'0 230 guy?
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Of course it will...adding test into any size body is gonna make an impact.
 
Different people are going to react differently. 250mg week could be dissapointing for some which is why people suggest you bump it up to 500mg week.
 
Because thats one of the problems I see in the gym I know 17 or 18 years old that use 750 mf of test 400 of deca I know one guy huge motherfucker he is only 17 been using test since 16 now hes been on d bol 50mg for llike 10 weeks does not know shit about pct and he thinks steroids are like supplements that u take and if if you forget to take the next day is ok ... I try to teach thse guy about gyne about pct I almost got my ass kick jajajaj
 
Personally, I think all the high dose standards started with UG labs. Many of them may be underdosed, so people think they need double the dose to get any effect. Also, the relatively low cost of UGL gear allows people to take more and more gear.
 
It is known that people respond differently to steroids, any drugs for that matter.

However, once all your receptors are saturated, they are saturated.

Mava has some papers on steroids up-regulating more receptors, but I really don't think that is going to be a particularly quick process.

Do you think that the use of high dose cycles are the same as all the newbs doing other things a bit too much when they first start bodybuilding......., too much training, too much bulking, too much cardio or calorie restriction when dieting?
 
first off if you are running a ug or vet test you are goin to need a gram whereas if you had human grade you would only need 500mg. people usually have huge doses to make up for a lack of good diet and training. they think it will give them the build they want, but you can run 2grams of test a week with no results if you don't eat right. deca is the same, guys ramp it to 600mg ew because they don't eat enough and a calorie dependant steroid like deca requires food. once again if its ug deca it will not work well under 400-600, whereas human grade will kick ass at 200mg ew. this is all coming from experience. steroids allow you to train longer and harder and you need to pack in the food to make the mass and eat clean if you want to be lean. if you r an ecto and just bulking then by all means eat the whole kitchen. usually its to make up for other lacking areas. some guys who compete and have been using for over a decade i have no problem with running absurd doses. it is needed at certain points to attain a new level. but not to get to 200 lbs from 170. lol what is with all these newbs on here posting 170 lbs at 15% bf. learn to eat then maybe gear.

also 250mg ew is not going to do much for you. if you are a normal male its barely over what you are producing. that is a great dose if you are stacking eq with it so you have a good base of test. but alone 400-500mg is ideal. i find that 400mg ew of human test is perfect.
 
bottleneckblooz said:
Personally, I think all the high dose standards started with UG labs. Many of them may be underdosed, so people think they need double the dose to get any effect. Also, the relatively low cost of UGL gear allows people to take more and more gear.
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i agree with that i was takin a gram of ug test and my sex drive didnt even go up....50mgs of organon sustanon a week and i can feel the difference
 
THERE IS SO MUCH BAD INFORMATION ON THE BOARD.....i wonder how many people that give advice have even done steroids.

250 ew is pointless...if your going to do steroids do it right..500 test ew is a good place to start...see how ya like the first cycle then go from there
 
HAYEZ said:
THERE IS SO MUCH BAD INFORMATION ON THE BOARD.....i wonder how many people that give advice have even done steroids.

250 ew is pointless...if your going to do steroids do it right..500 test ew is a good place to start...see how ya like the first cycle then go from there
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god is this true. i have no idea where all this crap came from on here. people just repeat what they hear. no one goes from experience. i can do 250mg ew of testoviron and feel like a silverback gorilla with my sex drive. 750mg of ug and i was barely hornier than usual
 
Its there any difference between vet gear and human grade I have the same 2 bottles of test E 10 ml 1 ml =250gr and i have human rade also 10 amps 250 every amp primoteston depot ... Its better to use human grade?
 
peligroso said:
Its there any difference between vet gear and human grade I have the same 2 bottles of test E 10 ml 1 ml =250gr and i have human rade also 10 amps 250 every amp primoteston depot ... Its better to use human grade?
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thast not even a question.
 
peligroso said:
Its there any difference between vet gear and human grade I have the same 2 bottles of test E 10 ml 1 ml =250gr and i have human rade also 10 amps 250 every amp primoteston depot ... Its better to use human grade?
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Hg of course is made with the highest standards.....but vet and ug is not any less of quality or potency as long as the ingredients are of quality.
 
third cycle and i've never gone above 300mg of test per week

in fact i see the same results with 200mg of cyp per week
 
heres the deal with all these high doses, THEY WORK! ya sure you can gain off of 250mg of test, but if you want to really be a freak, I mean the kind of physique that people look at and say damn! hes big, then your going to have to do some real cycles. ive pushed the limits as an experiment to see what I could get out of it. the results are night and day.

I don't recomend this to newbies, but I got to tell it like it is.
 
Bruce said:
also 250mg ew is not going to do much for you. if you are a normal male its barely over what you are producing.
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The avg. male produces between 6 to 10 mg/day and 42 to 70 mg of testosterone per week. 250 mg/wk is between 3 to 6 times that amount. Its plenty to add significant muscle with proper diet and training.
 
People always want to get big quick, and they think more is better. Yes, you'll need more the further you go, but to begin with, I don't see why people go over 300 mg.

Get diet and training in line, and you'll grow off of it, and will be much easier to judhe how it affects the body. Its bullshit for people to use more gear to compensate for a weak training regimen or lack of a good diet. If you question either you have NO business using gear.

An easy example. A guy who trained with me Paul does great with doses of 300-500 mg EW. After 500 or so, he gets little if any more gains than at 500, but sides increase much more quickly. He can't take more than 30 mgs ED of Dianabol without the sides.

Now what would have happened if he started off at 750-1000 mg of test? He'd likely fuck himself up and might not know that you aren't supposed to feel like that. Start slow, don't rush into higher doses.
 
Bruce said:
first off if you are running a ug or vet test you are goin to need a gram whereas if you had human grade you would only need 500mg. people usually have huge doses to make up for a lack of good diet and training. they think it will give them the build they want, but you can run 2grams of test a week with no results if you don't eat right. deca is the same, guys ramp it to 600mg ew because they don't eat enough and a calorie dependant steroid like deca requires food. once again if its ug deca it will not work well under 400-600, whereas human grade will kick ass at 200mg ew. this is all coming from experience. steroids allow you to train longer and harder and you need to pack in the food to make the mass and eat clean if you want to be lean. if you r an ecto and just bulking then by all means eat the whole kitchen. usually its to make up for other lacking areas. some guys who compete and have been using for over a decade i have no problem with running absurd doses. it is needed at certain points to attain a new level. but not to get to 200 lbs from 170. lol what is with all these newbs on here posting 170 lbs at 15% bf. learn to eat then maybe gear.

also 250mg ew is not going to do much for you. if you are a normal male its barely over what you are producing. that is a great dose if you are stacking eq with it so you have a good base of test. but alone 400-500mg is ideal. i find that 400mg ew of human test is perfect.
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Bruce where ya been man?? hope all is good haven't seen ya around for awhile!
 
rockdoc said:
The avg. male produces between 6 to 10 mg/day and 42 to 70 mg of testosterone per week. 250 mg/wk is between 3 to 6 times that amount. Its plenty to add significant muscle with proper diet and training.
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its not that simple bro.many guys produce more than that and furthermore your natty test is not an ester nor does your facts show free test levels. go ahead waste your time with 250mg ew. youve been here how long? if i am running pct after a cycle i'm going to make it worth it, not a maintenence dose of test
 
I don't think more than 500mg EW is needed. I've tried up to a gram a week and the results were the same. 250mg EW just seems to close to an HRT dose to me.
 
Who here has actually used high doses for a full cycle?

I would elaborate on my previous use, but it is probably not the best advice.
 
sensational said:
Who here has actually used high doses for a full cycle?

I would elaborate on my previous use, but it is probably not the best advice.
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id be surprised if most that give advice have never even used steroids....if they did they wouldnt be talking about 250mg ew as a cycle
 
sensational said:
Who here has actually used high doses for a full cycle?

I would elaborate on my previous use, but it is probably not the best advice.
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my cycles are 20 weeks long and have about 2g of test as a base. side effects are minimal.
 
when i started i used 50mg winny EOD with 25g 1' and DepoTest by upjohn 400mg once every 5 days with 23g '1. 12wks. and BOOM i got HUGE but as time goes on you need i feel a lil more depending on how your pushing your natural genetics. Now i feel like 750mg test is a good sweat spot i get more and more till 750mg but after that its more sides... and i would rather use other compounds as Test is MY (the) base to all cycles! Like 750 test 400 Deca i say is a good bread and butter for someone with cycles under there belt maybe throw in an oral winny to lower SHBG and give other positve effects to complement this cycle i have 25mg sustain release i use-ENS
 
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