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mdd
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was the building required to have sprinklers? NO. Should it have had them? i'm not sure. Do alot of fire professionals think sprinklers should be required in all buildings? YES. Would it have helped save lives in this case? MOST DEFINATELY
going to class yesterday we learned a new concept of fire, that went hand in hand with the RI fire.
anyone remember the Beverly Hills Supper CLub fire in 1977? same thing!
a Dr. at harvard came up with the concept that fire spread and the height of a ceiling directly effected each other. we all know fire burns up, right?
keep in mind, that in RI the club was not a big ass club like they make it out to be on TV, to my understanding it was more like some little bar? maybe some locals can clarify this.
also remember the band was put on a 4-5ft riser, in an already short ceiling, cutting the distance from the band and their pyrotechnics to the floor down by that much. you can see in the video that the pyrotechnics almost immediately catch whatever they had on the wall... this shit didnt burn, it immediately vaporized and the gasses caught fire which allowed it to spread so quickly
so a few seconds go by and the fire is at the top of the wall.... what next? well, by this time you can see people exiting the building and even one guy pointing to the exit ways which is great but the opening of those doors introduced oxygen and a natural draft which cause the fire to roll over the ceiling towards these open doors. Not to mention in this tiny little club they likely had some sort of HVAC running which also helped feed the fire.
there are a few survivors saying it was hard to find the exits because the lights went out.... lights didnt go out... thats how quickly smoke can fill a room
basically, had the ceiling been higher it would have given more time for people to get out. would it have been a large amount of time? no not by any means but you'd be surprised how many people an extra minute can get out of an emergency.
throw some sprinklers in there with a higher ceiling and i'd put money no more than 5 people would have died, if any.... even though the building still probally would have been gutted
i guess a better way to look at this sad event is that these people likely didnt burn alive and suffer too horrible a death, most were likely over come by smoke and toxic gasses from burning fuel. it only takes 2-3 breaths of this stuff to kill a person
going to class yesterday we learned a new concept of fire, that went hand in hand with the RI fire.
anyone remember the Beverly Hills Supper CLub fire in 1977? same thing!
a Dr. at harvard came up with the concept that fire spread and the height of a ceiling directly effected each other. we all know fire burns up, right?
keep in mind, that in RI the club was not a big ass club like they make it out to be on TV, to my understanding it was more like some little bar? maybe some locals can clarify this.
also remember the band was put on a 4-5ft riser, in an already short ceiling, cutting the distance from the band and their pyrotechnics to the floor down by that much. you can see in the video that the pyrotechnics almost immediately catch whatever they had on the wall... this shit didnt burn, it immediately vaporized and the gasses caught fire which allowed it to spread so quickly
so a few seconds go by and the fire is at the top of the wall.... what next? well, by this time you can see people exiting the building and even one guy pointing to the exit ways which is great but the opening of those doors introduced oxygen and a natural draft which cause the fire to roll over the ceiling towards these open doors. Not to mention in this tiny little club they likely had some sort of HVAC running which also helped feed the fire.
there are a few survivors saying it was hard to find the exits because the lights went out.... lights didnt go out... thats how quickly smoke can fill a room
basically, had the ceiling been higher it would have given more time for people to get out. would it have been a large amount of time? no not by any means but you'd be surprised how many people an extra minute can get out of an emergency.
throw some sprinklers in there with a higher ceiling and i'd put money no more than 5 people would have died, if any.... even though the building still probally would have been gutted
i guess a better way to look at this sad event is that these people likely didnt burn alive and suffer too horrible a death, most were likely over come by smoke and toxic gasses from burning fuel. it only takes 2-3 breaths of this stuff to kill a person
