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Why Steroids are Misplaced as a Schedule III Drug in the US

badazzwhitedude

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I first posted this at muscletalk.co.uk and at anabolicboard.com but thought I would bring this here also to see what kind of discussion it might bring. Some may find it an informative post but I also ranted in it (my personal views and opinions). Hope you enjoy the read. :)

We all know steroids are illegal to possess (without a perscription) or to sell in the good ol' USA. But to what extent? And why? Well, certain perscription drugs are "scheduled". This means that they are controlled by the federal government. Some are more closely watched than others, and they are "scheduled" in a certain "class" according to their medical purposes and chances of becoming depended on the drug. Although this is nowhere near a complete list, here are the classes of some drugs:



Some Schedule IV drugs include certain benzodiazpines (sedative-hypnotic drugs or some tranquilizers) such as Valium, Xanax, Librium, etc. These drugs may be called in by the doctor for a script and refills (up to 5 more times if I am correct) are available as said necessary by the doctor. A pharmacy's stock of these drugs may not be off by more than 10% without getting fined.

Some Schedule III drugs include some milder narcotics (opiates) such as Darvocet, Lorcet, Norco, Vicodin, etc. Merinol (basically oral marijuana) is another drug under this class control. Steroids are also under Class III control. These drugs may be called in by the doctor for a script and can be refilled a maximum of 5 times (if said necessary by the doctor) after picking up perscription initally. A pharmacy's stock of these drugs cannot be off by more than 10% without getting fined.

Some Schedule II drugs include more powerful narcotics (opiates) and other powerful pain killers such as Percocet, Oxycontin, Dilauded, MSContin (Morphine), Mepergan, Methodone, etc. They also include amphetamine drugs such as Adderall. Schedule II drugs cannot be called in by a doctor for a script and a written script must be brought in each time you are picking up these drugs. Refills cannot be done either. You must see the doctor each month for a written script to obtain any Schedule II drug. The pharmicist is also required to count, recount, and recount again when filling a script for these drugs. A pharmacy's stock of all Class II drugs MUST be exact and anything short of this may result in a fine.

Some Schedule I drugs include Marijuana, Heroin, Ecstasy, Cocaine, LSD, etc. These drugs have no medical purposes as is in these forms in this country at this time. You cannot obtain a perscription for these drugs and are completely illegal in the USA.



Obviously, punishment for possessing/selling Class I drugs is POTENTIALLY (but not always) more severe than possessing/selling Class II drugs. And Class II drugs more so than Class III drugs and so on. Punishment will depend on several factors including any prior criminal record, local laws, lawyers, judge, etc.

Now, here is why steroids are misplaced. You see, all these drugs are classified according to potential addiction. Steroids are under Class III control. That means according to the government, they are as addictive as some pain killers like Lorcet and Vicodin! I beg to differ. Since when have people been in support groups because they were wanting their next "fix" from steroids like the hydrocodone drugs in the same class? :rolleyes:

Steroid users do not take steroids just to take steroids or to get high. They do not make you high. We take them as they are necessary to get to be a certain size once we pass our genetic limit. Some may say that this could be "psychologically addicting." Well, I think we all agree that steroids are not number one in our bodybuilding arsenal. We depend on food and supplements (protein) much more so than steroids. We take whatever necessary to be as big as we want, whether it be protein, creatine, ECA (for fat-burning), or steroids. I don't know about you, but I surely wouldn't be sticking needles in myself and could stop ANYTIME if I knew it were possible to "look" a certain way without them. Doesn't sound like addiction to me. No more so (in fact, less) than the protein we take each and every day. With this in mind, it infuriates me that the government would call me an "addict" to drugs because of steroids. I am not addicted to drugs. I am addicted to bodybuilding!

Some, because of ignorance and false propoganda against steroids, view those who take steroids as no different than those who take Heroin or Cocaine. But statistics show otherwise. Statistics show that many (the majority) who use steroids are people who strive to be their best at everything in life. Many who currently use or have used in the past become or already are people in prominent positions. Also, many are ones who contribute to the community in a positive way. People like movie stars, DEA agents, police men, fire men, lawyers, doctors, etc. It goes to show that such ones usually have high standards and high expectations of themselves and are many times a positive influence on others.

This is just an informative post as well as a rant on how ignorant those in power can be. I hope you all enjoyed this post and agree with what is said here. If not, then I welcome any point of view with a valid argument. :)
 
Although I agree with most of this, there really are some guys who are psychologically addicted to steroids. I see posts by these kinds of guys all the time.

The difference is that for the most part this addiction is not as damaging as one of the other Schedule III drugs. Get addicted to vicodin and try stopping it. That's a physical addiction and you suffer through it. Get "addicted" to steroids and stop using them. You might lose a little muscle mass, but you're not really going through physical withdrawal. Not to mention the fact that you can't OD on roids in the same manner as other scheduled drugs.
 
DeepZenPill said:
Although I agree with most of this, there really are some guys who are psychologically addicted to steroids. I see posts by these kinds of guys all the time.

The difference is that for the most part this addiction is not as damaging as one of the other Schedule III drugs. Get addicted to vicodin and try stopping it. That's a physical addiction and you suffer through it. Get "addicted" to steroids and stop using them. You might lose a little muscle mass, but you're not really going through physical withdrawal. Not to mention the fact that you can't OD on roids in the same manner as other scheduled drugs.

That's why I argued about a "psychological addiction." We are addicted to bodybuilding and everything that has to do with it. That means protein, ECA, creatine, and steroids. Let's see a bodybuilder take a massive cycle, but drop his protein intake to 100 grams per day. Same thing would happen. He would lose muscle mass and strength. Although protein is not a drug, the "addiction" (that the government calls it) to steroids is the same (or less than) that of protein/supplementation.

I could see steroids being a regular perscription drug, which would make it legal to posess personal amounts only and illegal to sell, but to make it Schedule III with the potential for going to jail is a bit absurd. Just my opinion.
 
DeepZenPill said:
Although I agree with most of this, there really are some guys who are psychologically addicted to steroids. I see posts by these kinds of guys all the time.

The difference is that for the most part this addiction is not as damaging as one of the other Schedule III drugs. Get addicted to vicodin and try stopping it. That's a physical addiction and you suffer through it. Get "addicted" to steroids and stop using them. You might lose a little muscle mass, but you're not really going through physical withdrawal. Not to mention the fact that you can't OD on roids in the same manner as other scheduled drugs.


Bro there are addictions to the serotonin release from certain foods that are far stronger, more prevalent and more harmful long-term than steroids.
 
We should send this post to a congressman...maybe that one from Texas or Nevada who supports the decriminalization of personal Marijuana use.
 
GodOfThunder said:
We should send this post to a congressman...maybe that one from Texas or Nevada who supports the decriminalization of personal Marijuana use.

I know this is off topic, but you live in the area where I live bro'. :)

As far as Frackal's statement, I couldn't agree more. Alcohol and tobacco abuse/addiction can be very harmful. And these are TRUE addictions too. As someone else put it, the very government who preaches steroid use is dangerous collects tax dollars for every cigarette butt sold. :mad:
 
I'm sorry... I'm totally unaware of "addicitiveness" being a quality for setting a drugs placement on the schedule list. Can you link to this criteria.

I was always under the impression that the "schedule" was based on "propensity for abuse" and "lack of legitimate medical use."
 
SofaGeorge said:
I'm sorry... I'm totally unaware of "addicitiveness" being a quality for setting a drugs placement on the schedule list. Can you link to this criteria.

I was always under the impression that the "schedule" was based on "propensity for abuse" and "lack of legitimate medical use."

Well I think "propensity for abuse" goes hand in hand with "addictiveness." If users are easily hooked on a drug, they're going to be much more likely to continue abusing it. Of course there are drugs that have a high potential abuse that aren't addictive, but it's a pretty logical relationship.

But I believe you're right as far as the official structuring of the scheduled drugs list. Mostly propensity for abuse and legitimate medical uses.
 
I believe that it was Thomas Jefferson that said that government was not to protect people from themselves.

A little fact that I saw on the history channel the other night. The supreme court up until the past 80 or 90 years took the view that it was a violation of the constition (personal freedom) to make drugs illegal. Interesting huh... You know why they said drugs were made illegal. The government was worried that people would not work and become worthless so they went on a P.R. campaign to paint the worst possible picture of drugs. I personally dont even drink much less do any hard drugs, but I believe if someone wants to get fucked up it is their business and their business only. Is some stoner really a threat to society deserving of 5 years in prison?? I don't think so. I am more worried about terrorist and things that threaten my life.

Imagine if drugs were legal and taxed. Bye Bye drug dealers. Bye Bye drug related gang crime. Hello to enormous new tax revenue. No more prison overcrowding. I am a realist though and understand that I will probably never live to see this day. But, just think about it for second. Interesting thought huh...

Don't get me wrong,,, I love this country,,, it is the greatest to me and I would not want to live anywhere else to be frank. But I do see a lot of our liberties and personal rights going to the wayside so some senator can get relected for the 10th time. Why do they not listen to what we have to say. Maybe it is a lesson in democracy for all of us. How many of us make our views aware to our representatives much less vote. I would dare say that it is very few. If our opinions were voiced to our representatives we could have some pull and if they did not, just vote the guy out of office. Hell before you know it Stackers and pro hormones are going to cost you a prison sentance. What are we doing about it? Nada

Just my 2 cents
 
DeepZenPill said:


Well I think "propensity for abuse" goes hand in hand with "addictiveness." If users are easily hooked on a drug, they're going to be much more likely to continue abusing it. Of course there are drugs that have a high potential abuse that aren't addictive, but it's a pretty logical relationship.

But I believe you're right as far as the official structuring of the scheduled drugs list. Mostly propensity for abuse and legitimate medical uses.

The point is that addictiveness is NOT a criteria. It is not why AAS are schedule III drugs.
 
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