Why so many people BASH the nandrolones.

[needsize]

I run hcg at 500iu 2x weekly, which is doctor recommended

alltraps, you are an odd duck though, as your problems arent consistent, one week your sex drive is fine, next you have none

 

[Mavy]

I've had many tests done over the years, since a buddy of mine does it for me and has access to mass spec. I've probably seen about 50 or so test of different gear over the years. I can tell you guys that deca is the most underdosed steroid outhere. Tren comes in second. Most of the tests were done between 2000-2002. I don't talk to my friend as much unfortunately.

Many deca products labeled at 200mg actually contain 120mg or so... the underdosed 300mg products always seemed to contain about 200mg. Why is it that people still see great results? The truth is Deca's cumulative effects allow for underdosing.

If you talk to guys who use pharm grade deca like Norma and Organon, you will find that they keep the doses generally at 200-300mg per week. We've all heard of guys gaining 20-25 lbs on 1 deca a week.

Some may think they are shooting 400mg of deca but they may only be getting 240mg of Deca and they don't even know it.

The quality of gear increased over the last few years, thanks in part to China and the UG scene forcing Mexican gear to increase the quality of there products.

All of a sudden, these guys who were shooting 600mg of Deca a week started running into some problems with side effects...

Bottom line, 200-300mg of Deca per week is the maximum I would ever use. You cannot escape the fact that Deca has a very slow release and increasing the doses will most likely result in more problems.

If you want to use a high dose of Nandrolone, npp is the answer. I've used 1050mg/week for 6 weeks with no problems

Nandrolone use should be short, it has devastating effects on the HPTA. It's funny how most people don't use tren for more than 6-8 weeks, but when it comes to Nandrolone, some are running 16-20 week cycles without realizing it.

Good post BA as always. When you are talking about this Deca coming in tested under, are you talking about human grade Deca? Or UG or mexi or what? Good point on the Deca vs tren issue.

Hey BA, thought that you may find this interesting, did you know that B.M. Pharmaceuticals India, is really an UG lab? I was under the impression that it was human grade for the longest time. Just recently found out that BM is not human grade, and that it belongs to Vadim Godlevskiy, russian steroid dealer. Its a UG company, and its a myth that its human grade although there are still lots of people around who believe its human grade, including myself til now. Basically I just made this assumption based on the great packaging and cool 2ml vials. Its the same type of deal as hubei. The packaging was simply more of a ploy to make them worth more on the black market. Very interesting.

I guess that it dosent really matter to me, as I have used the dubols before, and loved them. No wonder the is no web reference for B.M. Pharmaceuticals at all ... anywhere on the web. Except for folks selling it! lol. But this also means that there is no human grade NPP available at 100mg/ml, that I am aware of anyways. Almost all human grade NPP comes in 25mg/ml or 50mg/ml.

Gel2; NPP is Nandrolone PhenylPropionate

WannaImpress, I think that the jury is still in that taking avodart while on nandrolone will only accelerate hairloss. I have heard conflicting opinions on this. I personally wouldnt risk it. I dont have ANY problems with NPP and hair, or a low dose of test, anything more than 250mg/wk of test, and I can notice more hairs falling out.

Mavy

 

[Texas Ranger]

Good info! Originally, I was thinking of running a low dose of Deca(200mgs/wk) for my joints. Now, I'm considering NPP@100mgs EOD, instead.

 

[Mavy]

deca sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

seriously, i am one person who will most likely never use it again. deca dick doesnt even begin to explain the problems i had from it. i truely believe, as does my doctor, that deca fucked me up for life. deca dick is something that i am stuck with for the rest of my life, unless im on test.

How can you pin in on Deca for sure? Did you run it alone? What about tren for example, or just having low test levels, from not recovering properly? I am also willing to bet that you did something that I mentioned earlier like ran it to high, or for to long, or without HCG, or without Cabergoline.

You might want to give some Cabergoline a shot bro. You may have higher than normal prolactin levels. I swear that it has increased my mojo permanantly. You need to have blood work done to see if it is the problem or not, but I have never felt anything like that, even when taking test, and it still seems to be the same now, months after discontinueing it. THis is what makes me think I might have had skewed prolactin levels and this may have leveled them out for me. Something to think about. You really need to identify if your problem is with your wood or your mojo though first. If you are having problems it wouldnt hurt to try. If you are considering running deca/npp or tren, I would definately give it a shot if I were you. One of the few supps i give full praise to.

Mavy

 

[VictorBR]

good post mavy bro

Nandrolone is on my list of the drugs that I will never use ... This list ALSO includes d-rol and d-bol .

Why ?

Well my body seems to have a problem with estrogen , and I will avoid all substances that EASILY converts to estrogen ( yes, even with aromasin I am not willing to risk it )

The only substance that converts to estrogen that I will NOT AVOID is TEST . Aside from test , I will ALWAYS rely on drugs like var , primo , winny , EQ , tren , masteron etc... drugs that will not convert to estrogen .

Nandrolone just seems like too much trouble for me , since it EASILY converts to estrogen and ALSO we have the prolactin issue and we need to use dostinex which is EXPENSIVE while using deca ...so it just seems like too much trouble ... it can fuck you up from both sides ...

TRENBOLONE ALSO seems like too much trouble , BUT HERE , I think I will take my chances because tren is suposed to be the shit , 7 x more androgenic than test , 3 x more anabolic than test and with amazing strenght gains and unbelievable fat loss effects . So , it is hard to not give it a try .

But I will admit that lately I have been reading a lot about NPP and starting to accept it a lil bit better , so knows ? I might give it a try someday ...


Victor

 

[BigAndy69]

Good post BA as always. When you are talking about this Deca coming in tested under, are you talking about human grade Deca? Or UG or mexi or what? Good point on the Deca vs tren issue.

Hey BA, thought that you may find this interesting, did you know that B.M. Pharmaceuticals India, is really an UG lab? I was under the impression that it was human grade for the longest time. Just recently found out that BM is not human grade, and that it belongs to Vadim Godlevskiy, russian steroid dealer. Its a UG company, and its a myth that its human grade although there are still lots of people around who believe its human grade, including myself til now. Basically I just made this assumption based on the great packaging and cool 2ml vials. Its the same type of deal as hubei. The packaging was simply more of a ploy to make them worth more on the black market. Very interesting.

I guess that it dosent really matter to me, as I have used the dubols before, and loved them. No wonder the is no web reference for B.M. Pharmaceuticals at all ... anywhere on the web. Except for folks selling it! lol. But this also means that there is no human grade NPP available at 100mg/ml, that I am aware of anyways. Almost all human grade NPP comes in 25mg/ml or 50mg/ml.

Gel2; NPP is Nandrolone PhenylPropionate

WannaImpress, I think that the jury is still in that taking avodart while on nandrolone will only accelerate hairloss. I have heard conflicting opinions on this. I personally wouldnt risk it. I dont have ANY problems with NPP and hair, or a low dose of test, anything more than 250mg/wk of test, and I can notice more hairs falling out.

Mavy

Well, Mavy, I think it's naive to beleive that most of the gear outhere is not designed for bodybuilders. How much Testosterone does the world need for HRT?

Pharm Grade vs High end UG, very fine line.

As far as Hubei Clen, there's no reason to beleive it is not "human grade".
Tableting companies as they are called simply take the raw materials and press them into tabs with the same standards of a pharmaceutical company.

These tableting/bottling places are legit pharmaceutical facilities and the product can be considered pharm grade (provided the raw materials were tested for purity)

I know of 1 UG lab that uses professional pharmaceutical tableting services, so it is possible. The product would be considered pharm grade since it is made in a legit facility, except for the fact that there is no way to know if they tested the raw materials. Chances are, if they can afford tableting services, they probably went through the trouble of testing raw materials.

I know a UG lab just released a 2ml sustanon. It's kind of deceiving in a sense but as long as it's real and has accurate labeling, I don't think it's that much of a big deal.

What I'm trying to say is that often packaging tells you a lot about the ressources a certain label has. Also, solid sources carried BM and Hubei Clen, that's why it was given a chance and it turned out to be great.

To tell you the truth, I'm not entirely certain Norma is a legit company from Greece, I think they are only setup to cater to the BBing community.

"Good post BA as always. When you are talking about this Deca coming in tested under, are you talking about human grade Deca? Or UG or mexi or what? Good point on the Deca vs tren issue"

UG and mexican. The worst tests I've seen were on Tokkyo...I could have sworn at one point all they had was 100mg of enanthate in most of the
products.

As usual, I've said too much, I'll shut up now.

 

[DIVISION]

DecaDick says it all.

You better recognize.



DIV

 

[gregory]

Deca sucks for those who's bodies do not react well with the drug. I'm one if them and i think Deca sucks, but it only sucks form me. All you other fellas might be alright with it, or you may not. So run it alone to see how your body responds.

Generally i found that if you respond really well to test and gain well with it with no sides, deca will be overrated to you. But if you don't like test, then generally Deca will be a better option for you.