Why so many people BASH the nandrolones.

[Mavy]

I agree to bro, Deca should be run longer, but with a taper. 8-10 wks is when Deca would normally be getting really good, BUT this is because of the cummulative effect of the ester. If you are taking say 400mg.wk of deca, remember that around wk8 you are probably actually accumulating a dosage of almost 800mg in your system. Starting to taper down will stop this from growing, and even out your dosage, and cause you less problems. Its like you are catering to the ester. Remember that decanoate is one of the longest esters a bodybuilder can use.

 

[LVTitan]

oK but what if you want to use deca not npp. What should the optimal cycle look like ?
With tappering ?

ask Help4john he has given me much good advice about tapering cycles, and he is always informative.
titan.

 

[jeb0177]

too bad for me I didn't run the cabaser with it. I got really really sensitive to gyno symptoms It would hurt like hell with in the 2nd week, nolva would help a bit but not how I expected (because it was prolactin progesterone gyno), I had to discontinue my cycle in my 5th week which was last week (testen500&deca400), I was barely starting to feel the real good effects from it but gyno as well, this was my first time taking it though. (just the deca. I like sust,eq,winny,dbol cycles) I received my cabaser last week. I rather be on the safe side and start another one next year but having the right ancillaries on hand. I really got caught off gaurd with the deca gyno. never happend to me with my previous cycles of testeq and so on.

karma to Mavy.

 

[BigAndy69]

I've had many tests done over the years, since a buddy of mine does it for me and has access to mass spec. I've probably seen about 50 or so test of different gear over the years. I can tell you guys that deca is the most underdosed steroid outhere. Tren comes in second. Most of the tests were done between 2000-2002. I don't talk to my friend as much unfortunately.

Many deca products labeled at 200mg actually contain 120mg or so... the underdosed 300mg products always seemed to contain about 200mg. Why is it that people still see great results? The truth is Deca's cumulative effects allow for underdosing.

If you talk to guys who use pharm grade deca like Norma and Organon, you will find that they keep the doses generally at 200-300mg per week. We've all heard of guys gaining 20-25 lbs on 1 deca a week.

Some may think they are shooting 400mg of deca but they may only be getting 240mg of Deca and they don't even know it.

The quality of gear increased over the last few years, thanks in part to China and the UG scene forcing Mexican gear to increase the quality of there products.

All of a sudden, these guys who were shooting 600mg of Deca a week started running into some problems with side effects...

Bottom line, 200-300mg of Deca per week is the maximum I would ever use. You cannot escape the fact that Deca has a very slow release and increasing the doses will most likely result in more problems.

If you want to use a high dose of Nandrolone, npp is the answer. I've used 1050mg/week for 6 weeks with no problems

Nandrolone use should be short, it has devastating effects on the HPTA. It's funny how most people don't use tren for more than 6-8 weeks, but when it comes to Nandrolone, some are running 16-20 week cycles without realizing it.

 

[WannaImpress]

Awesome post Mavy. Never knw you where where prone to MPB, so here goes one for you and BigAndy.

If one is on avodart would you consider using NPP?

If one wants to continue the used of Avodart/Proscar I've read that it is recommended to used some Test in the cycle, (Prop/NPP) what are y'all guys opinion?

 

[Gel2]

I don't want to come across as dumb but...I'll do it anyway.

WTF is NPP?

 

[boogersnax]

Great post Mavy! Currently runnng NPP with just a little test. 100mg npp + 125mg test e. EOD. Doing quite well.

PEACE
Booger...

BTW, tried to give you some karma, but, said I need to spread it around to others first...

 

[needsize]

I've used deca as part of every cycle for pretty much the past 2 years and have never had a problem. I run hcg all the way through, so never get completely shut down, so along with using test, never even come close to deca dick. I dont taper it, but I will stop it 2 weeks before I stop injecting enth, so when the enth is gone, the deca levels in my blood are low enough to start pct.
I've never understood the deca bashing myself, but luckily I like to do my own thinking and not let others tell me what I think

 

[jeb0177]

what dosage do you use for the hcg all the way through? does running the hcg all the way through your cycle won't make you sentive to gyno????

I've used deca as part of every cycle for pretty much the past 2 years and have never had a problem. I run hcg all the way through, so never get completely shut down, so along with using test, never even come close to deca dick. I dont taper it, but I will stop it 2 weeks before I stop injecting enth, so when the enth is gone, the deca levels in my blood are low enough to start pct.
I've never understood the deca bashing myself, but luckily I like to do my own thinking and not let others tell me what I think

 

[alltraps]

deca sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

seriously, i am one person who will most likely never use it again. deca dick doesnt even begin to explain the problems i had from it. i truely believe, as does my doctor, that deca fucked me up for life. deca dick is something that i am stuck with for the rest of my life, unless im on test.