Why Primo Kicks Your Steroid's Ass.

[Juice Authority]

You are correct, but If I am being condescending, I make sure to use words correctly. And I never talk down to people (save maybe yourself during the whole "Dbol raises test debate") to the extent that I have seen Fonz do on this thread.

It just seems that when someone is having an altercation with Nelson you're quick to defend him to the point where the altercation is no longer with Nelson since you've basically stepped up to be his spokesman. All I was saying is that Nelson is more than capable of verbally (in this case) defending himself. He's not an idiot either. You're intelligent enough to go after Fonz's theories if you disagree with them instead of his character.

 

[The Republican]

You're intelligent enough to go after Fonz's theories if you disagree with them instead of his character.

Thats what is wrong with these situations, especially on this topic. Fonz immediately went after Nelson's character, assuming it is with impunity. If you dont agree with something someone posts then disagree with them but for the love of God keep the immature bullshit to a minimum.

 

[JibbyJabba]

You're intelligent enough to go after Fonz's theories if you disagree with them instead of his character.

I actually might AGREE with his theory, but for the fact that he won't tell us what it is.

I think it's obvious that from the studies we've seen so far, and what we know about oral, 17AA steroids, anyone claiming that Anavar is safer on the liver than Primo bears the burden of proving their case rather than referring to the time he got his ass handed to him by Ulter.

Instead, he just makes mean-spirited and derogatory remarks to a person I respect. So... I was firing back.

 

[Lestat]

As with any egomaniac, the rules don't apply to fonz. They only apply when they're in his favor. The fact that fonz himself made this rule also makes him a consumate hypocrite.

Yeah, JJ -- I too was wondering what he meant when he said my thinking was "cruel". But if you think about it, his misuse of the word draconian is so elegantly apropos. It's BIG. It's arcane. And most people wouldn't know what it means. Therefore, he throws it out there in an attempt to sound educated and intimidating. But much like his "research" it turns out to be incorrect and misleading -- and he doesn't even know it himself! How perfect is THAT?

Still using that same one study from 1991, eh fonz? Okay, let's play with your ball.

If you read that study you'll realize that the test was done on people with severe liver damage from alcohol abuse. The conclusions were done after the subjects obstained from drinking. Of course there was an improvement in liver values!

And I love this..."The ones who received NUTRITIONAL SUPPLEMENTATION AND/OR oxandrolone showed more improvement." Well, that's a tad ambiguous, isn't it? AND/OR...? Which was it? BTW: "Ambiguous means vague, imprecise or contradictory.

The conlusion from that study is so flawed it's funny -- which is why there hasn't been another to back it up in 13 years. It's like saying; " Someone with a cold smoked 2 cigarettes a day for 2 weeks and cold symptoms subsided. It is therefore concluded that smoking cigarettes cures a cold."

But alas, this is the way it is with pretend scientists. The only people who think this guy has anything on the ball are those who don't know any better and are impressed with his babble and cut and pasting skills.

Ox is 17 AA. The very process causes liver damage. That's a fact fonz. Accept it. I believe even Juice Authority had a study that showed that. I'm sure there are many.

Now that he's been proven wrong, watch him close the thread.

Fonz is a joke. Wise up people.

0wn3d!!!

But seriously, that liver toxic study is a joke.. you can't use people with fucked up livers, take them off the sause, but give them something more mild.. and then show how their liver values got better.

 

[Juice Authority]

I actually might AGREE with his theory, but for the fact that he won't tell us what it is.

I think it's obvious that from the studies we've seen so far, and what we know about oral, 17AA steroids, anyone claiming that Anavar is safer on the liver than Primo bears the burden of proving their case rather than referring to the time he got his ass handed to him by Ulter.

Instead, he just makes mean-spirited and derogatory remarks to a person I respect. So... I was firing back.

Ok, getting back to the topic at hand. Nelson's golden endorsement of Primo has some fundamental flaws in it. There are much cheaper alternatives to Primo that are more readily available and not so commonly faked. Structurally it is comparable to EQ yet that issue was never completely addressed. In fact, when that issue was raised by Jubei and myself it was avoided altogether. We still have not had a concrete answer to that.

If anything, Fonz brought this out in the open where the advantages of Primo over other compounds were more closely scrutinized. Unfortunately we never really got to that point due to three pages of non-stop character assassination. As for Anavar's toxicity to liver compared to Primo I would agree with Nelson. I've have posted not one but two studies that collaborate Nelson's position on that. I too would be interested to see Ulter's view on this.

 

[Lestat]

I must say.. this is a damn entertaining thread. basically shows that you can really prove and disprove anything..

basically all you guys are doing is..

Listing the benefits of steroids..
listing the negative effects of the same steroids..

then trying to use one steroids benefits to counter the negative effects of another.

Its apples to oranges guys.. you'll never EVER win.

Nelson loves creating controvery.. never bends... and is a drama queen.

Fonz is full of himself, has used a shit load of roids supposedly yet still has the body of a 12 year old. He says its because he plays so much soccer... yea.. whatever.

As for myself... sure, I'm a newbie.. I don't have a ton of experience with this stuff.. so hey.. take my opinions with a grain of salt please.

Look to the Mods that DIDN'T post on this thread.. yet are still relying to members with sincere questions.. those are the people you want to get your advice from.

Fonz.. stop dropping Ulter's name, he wouldn't touch this flame fest with a 10 foot pole... not only do you look like you are 12 years old, you are acting like it too.

 

[JibbyJabba]

Damn!

 

[Juice Authority]

I must say.. this is a damn entertaining thread. basically shows that you can really prove and disprove anything..

basically all you guys are doing is..

Listing the benefits of steroids..
listing the negative effects of the same steroids..

then trying to use one steroids benefits to counter the negative effects of another.

Its apples to oranges guys.. you'll never EVER win.

Nelson loves creating controvery.. never bends... and is a drama queen.

Fonz is full of himself, has used a shit load of roids supposedly yet still has the body of a 12 year old. He says its because he plays so much soccer... yea.. whatever.

As for myself... sure, I'm a newbie.. I don't have a ton of experience with this stuff.. so hey.. take my opinions with a grain of salt please.

Look to the Mods that DIDN'T post on this thread.. yet are still relying to members with sincere questions.. those are the people you want to get your advice from.

Fonz.. stop dropping Ulter's name, he wouldn't touch this flame fest with a 10 foot pole... not only do you look like you are 12 years old, you are acting like it too.

For someone who recently started a thread in the Plat forum complaining about Fonz's flaming of Nelson your flame post above is the exact same thing you were just accusing Fonz of doing.

 

[kaalgsio2]

i think lestat's signature is going to get suspended for a week.

 

[Lestat]

For someone who recently started a thread in the Plat forum complaining about Fonz's flaming of Nelson your flame post above is the exact same thing you were just accusing Fonz of doing.

I'm just following the example of the moderators on this site.