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Why Nice Guys are often such Losers

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You hear it all the time: "He was such a NICE Guy, and she's such a Heartless Bitch for dumping him."

I get letters from self-professed Nice Guys, complaining that women must WANT to be treated like shit, because THEY, the "Nice Guy" have failed repeatedly in relationships. This is akin to the false logic that "Whales are mammals. Whales live in the sea. Therefore, all mammals live in the sea."

If you have one bad relationship after another, the only common denominator is YOU. Think about it.

What's wrong with Nice Guys? The biggest problem is that most Nice Guys (tm) are hideously insecure. They are so anxious to be liked and loved that they do things for other people to gain acceptance and attention, rather than for the simply pleasure of giving. You never know if a Nice Guy really likes you for who you are, or if he has glommed onto you out of desperation because you actually payed some kind of attention to him.

Nice Guys exude insecurity -- a big red target for the predators of the world. There are women out there who are "users" -- just looking for a sucker to take advantage of. Users home-in on "Nice Guys", stroke their egos, take them for a ride, add a notch to their belts, and move on. It's no wonder so many Nice Guys complain about women being horrible, when the so often the kind of woman that get's attracted to them is the lowest form of life...

Self-confident, caring, decent-hearted women find "Nice Guys" to be too clingy, self-abasing, and insecure.

Nice Guys go overboard. They bring roses to a "lets get together for coffee" date. They try to buy her affections with presents and fancy things. They think they know about romance, but their timing is all wrong, and they either come-on too strong, too hard and too fast, OR, they are so shy and unassertive, that they hang around pretending to be "friends", in the hope that somehow, someway, they will get the courage up to ask her out for a "date".

They are so desperate to please that they put aside their own needs, and place the object of their desire on a pedestal. Instead of appreciating her, they worship her. We are only human, and pedestals are narrow, confining places to be -- not to mention the fact that we tend to fall off of them.

They cling to her, and want to be "one" with her for fear that if she is out of sight, she may disappear or become attracted to someone else. A Nice Guy often has trouble with emotional intimacy, because he believes that if she learns about the REAL person inside, she will no longer love him.

Nice Guys are always asking HER to make the decisions. They think it's being equitable, but it puts an unfair burden of responsibility on her, and gives him the opportunity to blame her if the decision was an unwise one.

Nice Guys rarely speak up when something bothers them, and rarely state clearly what it is they want, need and expect. They fear that any kind of conflict might spell the end of the relationship. Instead of comprimising and negotiating, they repeatedly "give in". When she doesn't appreciate their sacrifice, they will complain that, "Everything I did, I did for her.", as if this somehow elevates them to the status of martyrs. A woman doesn't want a martyr. She wants an equal, caring, adult partner.

Nice Guys think that they will never meet anyone as special as she is. They use their adoration as a foundation for claiming that "no one will ever love her as much as I do." Instead of being a profound statement of their devotion, this is a subtle, but nasty insult. It is akin to saying to her: "You are a difficult person, and only *I* can ever truly love you, so be thankful I'm here."

The nice guy -needs- to believe that he is the best person for the object of his desires, because otherwise his insecurities will overrun him with jealousies and fear. The truth of the matter is that there are many people out there who can be a good match for her. We rarely stop loving people we truly care about. Even if we no longer continue the relationship, the feelings will continue... But love isn't mutually exclusive. We can (and do) love many people in our lives, and romantic love is really no different. Though he may love her immensely, there will likely be other people who have loved her just as much in her past, and will love her just as much in the future. The irony of it all is: "Who would want to go out with someone who was inherintly unlovable anyways?"

More than loving the woman in his life, a Nice Guy NEEDS her. "She is my Life, my only source of happiness..." YECH! What kind of a burden is that to place on her? That SHE has to be responsible for YOUR happiness? Get a grip!

Another mistake Nice Guys make is to go after "hard luck" cases. They deliberately pick women with neuroses, problems, and personality disorders, because Nice Guys are "helpers". A Nice Guy thinks that by "helping" this woman, it will make him a better, more lovable person. He thinks it will give him a sense of accomplishment, and that she will appreciate and love him more, for all his efforts and sacrifice. He is usually disappointed by the results.

This ultimately boils down to the fact that Nice Guys don't like themselves. Is it any wonder women don't like them? In order to truly love someone else, you must first love yourself. Too often Nice Guys mistake obsession for "love".

Get this Guys: INSECURITY ISN'T SEXY. IT'S A TURNOFF.

You don't have to be an ego-inflated, arrogant jerk. You just have to LIKE yourself. You have to know what you want out of life, and go after it. Only then will you be attractive to the kind of woman with whom a long-term relationship is possible.
 
EXACTLY CESAR!!! I told you to stop being such a nice guy. hehehe.

Nice is good unless you let yourself get stepped all over. I can be both and I'll stay that way. Really nice sometimes or a complete dickhead at another depeding on the situation of course. I'm a gemini what can I say.

btw - Give me karma you fuckin biatch!!!!
 
it's called self destruction. people self destruct after success because they don't know what to do with themselves. you treat a woman like she is a princess then it fries her already stupid brain and causes her to run for the hills because they don't know what to do because they never had it so good. you can call it immaturity too.
 
Another aspect is that what people think of themselves isn´t always what they really are.
Everybody considers himself to be a good person as long as they aren´t the devil´s incarnation.

Al Capone thought he was doing the world a favor with fighting prohibition, regardless of the murders and other crimes he had to commit.

Saddam Hussein thinks of himself as a hard but just leader ( i read a few excerpts from his book)

Some people think it´s okay to invade other countries for their oil.

I bet everyone has a more or less plausible explanation why he , despite everything he / she did in life, is a good one afterall.
So if you think you are an angel chances are that you are not.
 
Norman Bates said:
Another aspect is that what people think of themselves isn´t always what they really are.
Everybody considers himself to be a good person as long as they aren´t the devil´s incarnation.

Al Capone thought he was doing the world a favor with fighting prohibition, regardless of the murders and other crimes he had to commit.

Saddam Hussein thinks of himself as a hard but just leader ( i read a few excerpts from his book)

Some people think it´s okay to invade other countries for their oil.

I bet everyone has a more or less plausible explanation why he , despite everything he / she did in life, is a good one afterall.
So if you think you are an angel chances are that you are not.

Moral of the story:

As humas have an mazing capacity to justify ANY transgression.

No matter how attrocious.

Fonz
 
Thats right Norman Bates

ultimately the biggest losers are the losers that catagorise people

its constantly rammed down your throat. Anyone who derrives away from being a regular asshole or social conformist (couch potato) is insecure, thats what you hear. Something missing in there life. They are making up for something, to be motivated and crave success is classed as an obsession.

The world is such a big assumption area that you are choked with "who people really are" before you even know them because its somekind of pre-diagnosed disorder.

Its all blah blah.
 
The Darkness said:
Thats right Norman Bates

ultimately the biggest losers are the losers that catagorise people

its constantly rammed down your throat. Anyone who derrives away from being a regular asshole or social conformist (couch potato) is insecure, thats what you hear. Something missing in there life. They are making up for something, to be motivated and crave success is classed as an obsession.

The world is such a big assumption area that you are choked with "who people really are" before you even know them because its somekind of pre-diagnosed disorder.

Its all blah blah.

Exactly.

I've always said to hell with stereotyping.

Imagine what society says about juicers......LOL

Fonz
 
I completely agree with the original post. Unfortunately, I was that person not so long ago. Now, i'm MUCH more confident and I genuinely am happy with myself. My social life totally reflects that now.
 
:devil:
Listen! Treat women as nice as they treat you. If they treat you good, treat them better. If they treat you bad treat them worse.
 
good post, interesting thread.
 
PURE EXTRACT said:


Another mistake Nice Guys make is to go after "hard luck" cases. They deliberately pick women with neuroses, problems, and personality disorders, because Nice Guys are "helpers". A Nice Guy thinks that by "helping" this woman, it will make him a better, more lovable person. He thinks it will give him a sense of accomplishment, and that she will appreciate and love him more, for all his efforts and sacrifice. He is usually disappointed by the results.

This tends to be very true...good post :)
 
Nice guy/bad boy. Its all bullshit.

Women like men. Period. Strong like dad.

Looks are the most important regardless of what any women tells you.


If a guy is good looking it doesn't matter if he is nice or not.

Just lift weights and make money=pussy.
 
Sounded like someone I know..

Sounded like me in the beginning of my last relationship. So scary. I feel I have definately begun to change. I feel happier about myself now though I still have alittle bit of insecurity at times. But I think everyone has alittle insecurity from time to time? I was also worried about her finding someone better. She never seemed happy with me. Infact she told me numerous times she wasn't happy. I changed myself in so many ways to keep her happy, but it never worked. Was I wrong for trying? Or should I have just said we are just to incompatible? I mean you want to be with a person so badly wouldn't you try to make it work out? Some way or some how? She definately had problems with her life, and I was trying to be the one to help her out, in the end it didn't matter. It was like "great thanks for help.". It backed fired on me, I wound up being the bad guy at times. Some of that original post definately applies to me, some of it doesn't. I guess I am only half a loser.
 
Trying to change a person is pretty much next to impossible.

Every relationship is about compromise.

Anyways, IMHO it all comes down to trust.

No matter what, without trust there is nothing.

There is nothing better in this world that to have friends who you trust implicitly.

Makes life much simpler.

Fonz
 
I have somehow managed to get antelope innards all down my pants. I kind of like it though so I'm gonna leave them there and see where this takes me.
 
thaTS very true the true winners in life are people who look out for themselves first and throw a bone here and there to other people .
 
Mike P.T. said:
EXACTLY CESAR!!! I told you to stop being such a nice guy. hehehe.

Nice is good unless you let yourself get stepped all over. I can be both and I'll stay that way. Really nice sometimes or a complete dickhead at another depeding on the situation of course. I'm a gemini what can I say.

btw - Give me karma you fuckin biatch!!!!

I'm gonna give you negative karma if you keep using my name ass
 
so what man...people on here don't have that kind of intelligence to put two and two together. Just don't use it...makes me feel uncomffy SO STOP PENIS
 
PURE EXTRACT said:
so what man...people on here don't have that kind of intelligence to put two and two together. Just don't use it...makes me feel uncomffy SO STOP PENIS

Can I call you Jaunita then? Jaunita it is!!! :D
 
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