why long steroid cycles are a bad idea.?

[tiger88]

ok i dont juice anymore and asking for some dumbass that thinks a long test + eq cycle = awsome gains

he has run test and eq and saw some good gains so he thinks why not run test and eq again at higher doses and longer? ( i know bad idea for him)
test 750 mg (enth) for 18 weeks
eq @ 600 mg 18 weeks

basically asking how i can convince this moron that this a bad idea (such as doesnt one's body adapt the drugs and receptor sites no longer work as well?

this is his body and i wont be the one hurting after he comes off and his HTPA is totally fucked but i want to get some info into his thick head

 

[TheAssholeFomerlyKnownAsDBBT]

ok i dont juice anymore and asking for some dumbass that thinks a long test + eq cycle = awsome gains

he has run test and eq and saw some good gains so he thinks why not run test and eq again at higher doses and longer? ( i know bad idea for him)
test 750 mg (enth) for 18 weeks
eq @ 600 mg 18 weeks

basically asking how i can convince this moron that this a bad idea (such as doesnt one's body adapt the drugs and receptor sites no longer work as well?

this is his body and i wont be the one hurting after he comes off and his HTPA is totally fucked but i want to get some info into his thick head

Come on you should be able to convince him seeing your 15K posts

 

[DiamondCutCows]

Calling him a dumbass cause he wants to run long cycles There are plenty of bors on THIS site that live by longer cycles.

I cant say if a long cycle would be right for your friend, but the longer your bosy has to get used to a certain amount of muscle the easier it SHOULD be to gold onto it when the cycle ends...

 

[Madcow2]

A lot of people find the rate of new gains slows quite a bit that far out (unless dosages are racheted up again and/or new compounds are switched to). Regardless of what measures are taken most people net a lot more weight out of 2 medium length cycles with off time in between. The longer one is on and the higher the dosages used the more chance of seeing undesireable effects. As far as permanently damaging one's body, the issue with roids is that for the most part, they aren't all that bad on the body so it's not like you can tell him that using an extra 300mg weekly or going an extra 4 weeks is going to kill him - at best it is unnecessary and wasteful. All that being said, I have one friend on permanent replacement therapy. This guy was a top national competitor in a strength sport, always did post cycle therapy, always took a modicum of time off between cycles, was under constant doctor supervision with pharmacy prescribed anabolics and accessories, never used over a gram per week on dosages, and never ran beyond 10-12 weeks. This guy did everything right and he still got burnt. Every body is different, know what you are doing, and accept responsibility for possible repurcushions.

 

[SCOTTY-TWO-HOTTY]

How old is this cat?

 

[Judo Tom]

yeah it depends on the history and the goals but you cant just make a blanket statement that an 18 week long eq test cycle is a bad idea..

 

[Ulter]

The best way to convince him is to let him do it.

Unless he's going to raise his doses by 50% about 10 weeks in his gains will stall. If you're eating and training right you should hit your genetic limit of that amount of gear by 12 (10 for test).

 

[view]

to be honest, I am coming off a 30 weeker in about 4 weeks.

the gains never stopped really, but I had a lot of muscle memory coming my way. ill be clean for about 25-30 weeks -- as long as it takes to recover my lipids, I always get my test levels back (the one thing I am lucky about).

i switched drugs every 10 weeks:

1-10 mostly test with a bit of deca and dbol
10-20 high dose eq 1 gram
20-30 tren based with some test

weeks 10-20 were the slowest growing weeks, but I was so vascular it was nuts.

when all is said and done, I will be about 20 pounds heavier and pretty much the same bf%, but like i said, almost all of it is muscle memory.

but, if i could do it differentyl, i would have broken it down into 2 15 weekers. but, i had to try a long cycle once.

I think long cycles work somewhat good if you switch the drugs -- like when i switched to tren, it was like day 1 of the cycle again.

but tigger, not sure of your goals, but as I understand, your aas use is pretty minimal, and your a pretty swole natty guy, so i say stick to 12 weeks.

go like this:
1-9test e 750mg (frontload it first two weeks)
1-8 eq 600mg (front it first two weeks
could do oral for first 3-4 weeks instead of frontload
9-13 test prop 150mg EOD

 

[Ulter]

That's true. You can switch drugs to continue a long cycle very successfully.
That wasn't an option given by the thread starter though.

 

[satchboogie]

That's true. You can switch drugs to continue a long cycle very successfully.
That wasn't an option given by the thread starter though.

cant say i agree with that.
i've tried switching gear and nothing happened.
seems like after 10 weeks i reach a peak that wont allow me to grow more.