Why is prop perceived stronger than cyp/enat?

[thebigoz]

Stronger? No. Fast acting? Yes.

I prefer enathate any day. Prop is nothing I really care for. Also don't like the ups and downs of fast esthers.

Disappointed that it took that many replies before someone said this!

Test is Test. The misconception that Prop is 'stronger' is due to the ester that is used. Prop will be absorbed by the body faster than Enth. Therefore, the Test will become active and available in the body sooner.

The sooner the test is absorbed, the sooner you will see it's effects.


The ups/down that Future is referring to may be of the same nature. Given the quick absorption of Prop/Susp, you see sides faster. Both positive and negative. Your Test levels change a lot more rapidly than when on Enth, which is a more prolonged, gradual release of Test into your system.


I'm happy sticking with Enth. In the long run, I still think the results would be almost identical based on using Prop/Enth/Susp for the same period of time on the same mg per mg basis.

 

[Nomak666]

to be honest, results were the same. i felt more "crisp" with prop though. i usually feel sluggish after 14 weeks on enanthate, on prop, i feel fresh even after 12 weeks. been on prop 100mg eod since march. low dose, im not on trt, ill do a pct and 3 month off cycle soon. after my keto diet is over, another 8 weeks.


test prop peaks very fast then starts declining. test enanthate slowly declines. test suspension is like an instant release drug, test enanthate and cyp is like time released drugs. i dont mind eod injects, you get used to it.

i just switched to test e today instead of prop ( still gonna run prop for another 4 weeks to let test e kick in fully) and im still gonna inject eod, i like more stable levels and i feel every 4th day is decent but eod is alot better.

 

[access]

Disappointed that it took that many replies before someone said this!

Test is Test. The misconception that Prop is 'stronger' is due to the ester that is used. Prop will be absorbed by the body faster than Enth. Therefore, the Test will become active and available in the body sooner.

The sooner the test is absorbed, the sooner you will see it's effects.


The ups/down that Future is referring to may be of the same nature. Given the quick absorption of Prop/Susp, you see sides faster. Both positive and negative. Your Test levels change a lot more rapidly than when on Enth, which is a more prolonged, gradual release of Test into your system.


I'm happy sticking with Enth. In the long run, I still think the results would be almost identical based on using Prop/Enth/Susp for the same period of time on the same mg per mg basis.

Have you ever run Prop? Sounds like no.

Test is test implies the ester attached to the parent hormone , in this instance test has no bearing on how that hormone reacts. To say so is simply wrong. Ask anyone who has run both NPP and Deca for example. The parent hormone is nandrolone in both but they act quite differently in many ways again due to the ester.

Although test doesn't quite show the same marked differences as the long and short estered nandrolones there are still differences. In fact your statement about Test Prop being perceived as stronger due to the ester is inherently incorrect also. Test Enan and the longer estered tests are the ones that are thought of as "stronger" as generally they will be capable of supplying larger gains when compared to prop and hence why predominantly used in bulking cycles whereas prop would be a mainstay for those expereinced and running a cutting cycle.

You also state on a mg for mg basis that results would be identical but for this to be accurate (which it is not) you need to understand that the weight of the ester does have a bearing on how much of the parent hormone is delivered. For example 250mgs of test Prop delivers 209mgs of actual test compared with 250mgs of test Enan delivers almost 180mgs of test. Obviously over the length of any cycle this difference is going to be quite considerable.

It was also mentioned about the ups and downs of fast esters well there should be none if your dosing frequency is such where you maintain constant blood levels. With short eesters this is generally at least EOD but personally I prefer ED and am able to maintain a perfect stable blood level doing this. As you might have noticed I am proponent of shorter esters and have found much better results with them overall. I also like the fact I can enter PCT much quicker using a short ester and that has the benefit of getting my natty test production running much quicker allowing me to hold onto more gains from each cycle.

 

[jacked55]

As he mentioned nothing compares to suspension, stuff is like liquid crack. Seems like it works the minute the inj goes in!

My first run w/ prop now, always did susp,enath sust or cyp.

I know prop is in sust but doesnt really count and that was 10+yrs ago

 

[joe d]

im not good at all the scientific explinations. i have used both. besides the obvous faster results suspenson is a more powerful test then testp c or e. its effects are different. more energy, much more egresson, rapid stregnth gain, more endurance, its just all around better. pin it right and there wont be ups and downs. i pinned susp 3x per day. prop 1x per day. i guess to really know you will have to see for yourself.

 

[the_alcatraz]

I think test is test...the only test that i would categorize as stronger would probably be suspension, but it hurts too much IMo

Prop "feels" stronger to it's a much shorter ester and gives faster results

 

[-SD-]

im not good at all the scientific explinations. i have used both. besides the obvous faster results suspenson is a more powerful test then testp c or e. its effects are different. more energy, much more egresson, rapid stregnth gain, more endurance, its just all around better. pin it right and there wont be ups and downs. i pinned susp 3x per day. prop 1x per day. i guess to really know you will have to see for yourself.

holy shit man how do you pin 3X a day thats crazy

 

[joe d]

holy shit man how do you pin 3X a day thats crazy

that was how i did it. i didnt get any injection pain anywhere after a while i just got used to it.

 

[thebigoz]

Test Prop being perceived as stronger due to the ester is inherently incorrect also.

No, my statement is completely accurate. Countless times I have read posts from people with the misconception that Prop is 'stronger' simply because it has a shorter acting ester. It sounds as though the original post in this thread was looking to clear up that very point.

Test Enan and the longer estered tests are the ones that are thought of as "stronger" as generally they will be capable of supplying larger gains when compared to prop and hence why predominantly used in bulking cycles whereas prop would be a mainstay for those expereinced and running a cutting cycle.

From the original post, it sounds as though the question being asked was surrounded by a belief that PROP was stronger. If anyone is ever quoting/claiming/suggesting that any form of Test is stronger, I always see them claiming it as being Prop/Susp.

From my experience, people view the 'stronger' compound as the one which delivers noticeable gains in the shortest period of time, regardless of how soon the peak is arrived at and maintained.

Prop will do this over Enth, because of the shorter acting ester. Hence the misconception that Prop is 'stronger' than Enth.

You also state on a mg for mg basis that results would be identical but for this to be accurate (which it is not) you need to understand that the weight of the ester does have a bearing on how much of the parent hormone is delivered.

You're over-analyzing. My point here was that the test within Test Prop is the same as the Test within Test Enth. I'm trying to make the point that TEST itself - pure testosterone - is TEST. The ester is a by product used for delivery. It doesn't aid in additional strength. It simply dictates the length of time it takes for delivery/bio-availability to occur.

Yes, Prop/Enth will contain different quantities of the actual Test, which is why I am leveling the playing field by being hypothetical about dosages of TEST (The actual HORMONE) being the same.

It was also mentioned about the ups and downs of fast esters well there should be none if your dosing frequency is such where you maintain constant blood levels.

Too big of an assumption for me to buy in to. 'Should be none' is a fragile statement when talking about hormones. Everyone reacts differently. Stable blood levels doesn't always equal the same reaction all cycle-long.



Bottom line - esters aside, Test is Test. 'Strength' is both dictated and misconceived by the dosage and ester.

 

[Dial_tone]

Prop has a smaller ester so mg for mg more of what you're injecting is actual testosterone.