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you pretty much named my next cycle..
its because most people are addicted/obsessed with finding the most optimal combination of drugs out there or they keep thinking that 'perfecting' the cycle will lead to a HUGE increase in gains..
also people like to experiement.. if test/eq got you good gains and your already a vet and near where you wanna be why not throw in a compound you havent tried yet or something a friend liked..
many people feel they have exhausted all the diet/training combo's out there or are convinced that they have found what works for them and dont really change it much but they love reading/researching new roids and new stacks..
its because most people are addicted/obsessed with finding the most optimal combination of drugs out there or they keep thinking that 'perfecting' the cycle will lead to a HUGE increase in gains..
also people like to experiement.. if test/eq got you good gains and your already a vet and near where you wanna be why not throw in a compound you havent tried yet or something a friend liked..
many people feel they have exhausted all the diet/training combo's out there or are convinced that they have found what works for them and dont really change it much but they love reading/researching new roids and new stacks..
liquidmuscle
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Judo Tom said:
exactly
slat1
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I just finished 500mgs of tren ent/500mgs of test ent each week for ten weeks. I keep everything simple. Slow and steady too. That is the most gear I have used and I am currently at 240lbs.
I still believe you get the best results from training properly, getting good sleep, and eating properly. I then like to add in a simple ten weeker twice a year (HCG and Clomid for pct) at minimal doses. I grow nicely and keep almost all of my strength and size!
I still believe you get the best results from training properly, getting good sleep, and eating properly. I then like to add in a simple ten weeker twice a year (HCG and Clomid for pct) at minimal doses. I grow nicely and keep almost all of my strength and size!
Eh Kurzy,
Ya, I think there is nothing more effective than the basic stack Test/Deca/Dbol, and I really dont think that anyone really needs to use other choices of gear, whether bulking or cutting. If you have used this stack, you will know that nothing is more effective.
BUT ... other drugs have their place as well. For instance, many dont do well with test, like myself. I get more sides than pluses from it. My favorite combo is NPP+Dbol. Just plain effective and I dont need much of it. But .. I also like EQ, and anavar. It really depends on your goals.
Most people want to cut with a highly anabolic steroid, and Deca is not the best choice for cutting as it can cause itramuscluar fat storage. Primo, and EQ, and var are all popular for cutting. A lot of these other drugs are used for "hardening" of your muscles, with little water retention, and not extreme growth like the classic stack, so now you have people who love drugs like Masteron, and proviron, and winny for example. Trenbolone is a powerfull drug, that I want to try someday, but am scared of it, especially on my hairline. But its an amazing drug for solid lean gains, and huge body transformations, it is also the mother of all anti-catabolics. They all have their place. And ya ... most people who have juiced a few times, like to try a few different things and mix it up a bit. Its just interesting, and some people respond differently to different drugs.
Trust me .. I have often thought if I ever need to use another drug besides dbol, whether bulking or cutting. Some drugs just stack well together, and you can hit more angles running certain stacks. The classic stack of all time test/deca/dbol hits all angles, strong anabolic, stong andogenic, stonrg anti-catabolic. But ... the others do have their place. Different strokes for different folks, with different body types, prone to different sides, and so many folks with different goals.
466mg of NPP per week is what you get when you shoot it 200mg e3d. It seemed to be a perfect dosage for me. Might up it this time around.
Mavy
Ya, I think there is nothing more effective than the basic stack Test/Deca/Dbol, and I really dont think that anyone really needs to use other choices of gear, whether bulking or cutting. If you have used this stack, you will know that nothing is more effective.
BUT ... other drugs have their place as well. For instance, many dont do well with test, like myself. I get more sides than pluses from it. My favorite combo is NPP+Dbol. Just plain effective and I dont need much of it. But .. I also like EQ, and anavar. It really depends on your goals.
Most people want to cut with a highly anabolic steroid, and Deca is not the best choice for cutting as it can cause itramuscluar fat storage. Primo, and EQ, and var are all popular for cutting. A lot of these other drugs are used for "hardening" of your muscles, with little water retention, and not extreme growth like the classic stack, so now you have people who love drugs like Masteron, and proviron, and winny for example. Trenbolone is a powerfull drug, that I want to try someday, but am scared of it, especially on my hairline. But its an amazing drug for solid lean gains, and huge body transformations, it is also the mother of all anti-catabolics. They all have their place. And ya ... most people who have juiced a few times, like to try a few different things and mix it up a bit. Its just interesting, and some people respond differently to different drugs.
Trust me .. I have often thought if I ever need to use another drug besides dbol, whether bulking or cutting. Some drugs just stack well together, and you can hit more angles running certain stacks. The classic stack of all time test/deca/dbol hits all angles, strong anabolic, stong andogenic, stonrg anti-catabolic. But ... the others do have their place. Different strokes for different folks, with different body types, prone to different sides, and so many folks with different goals.
466mg of NPP per week is what you get when you shoot it 200mg e3d. It seemed to be a perfect dosage for me. Might up it this time around.
Mavy
terrapin
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JKurz1 said:
I agree and have mentioned this on several posts. Simple stacks with uncomprimising work ethic in the gym and most anyone will see excellent gains. Most people stack without eating and training properly, so next time they cycle, they up their doses or change the compounds. I saw some of my best gains when I first started cycling - using just SINGLE compounds (ie: test or deca). It amazes me that I see posts that say "Here is my first cycle: 600mg deca/600mg test and 40mg dbol/day - that is just unecessary for a first cycle - I don't care what your goals are. As stated above-simple cyle, solid training and you should reach your goals. There are exceptions, but they are rare. I also agree with Mavy - I don't like test anymore, I stick to primo and anavar. I will try some turinabol soon but thats about it for the range of compounds I am willing to use at this stage of the game. I already had gyno surgery and there is no need for me to gain 20+ lbs on a cycle anymore. 10+ solid, lean pounds and I am happy
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lawnsaver
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I have completed 12 cycles over 6 years and I have always kept it simple!!
Test only, Test/EQ, Test/EQ/D-bol, Test/Var, Primo/Winny, GH/Test, Etc
Test should be your base.
I like EQ the best as my second, as it is less supressive than Deca or Tren
Now that Primo powder can be found so cheap, I will be using Primo mostly now on, with proviron as an androgen!
Test only, Test/EQ, Test/EQ/D-bol, Test/Var, Primo/Winny, GH/Test, Etc
Test should be your base.
I like EQ the best as my second, as it is less supressive than Deca or Tren
Now that Primo powder can be found so cheap, I will be using Primo mostly now on, with proviron as an androgen!
greekhookup
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yep im thinking about doing 600mg EQ and 400mg test combo (cyp 100, enan 200, prop 100) for 10 weeks front loaded with dbol 40mg/day 1-4 weeks
BigAndy69 said:Mavy, try 150mg ED of NPP...lol That's what I'm doing right now... libido is a little lower but I look like a cyborg...this is too much fun.
Damn, thats a bit over a gram, dont know about that yet. I was thinking 100mg/ed, not to far off, but only trying it for about 4 weeks, as thats all the time I have left til I leave for a nice little vacation!
. Are you stackin it, and are you having any prolactin related sides at that dosage?And what do you mean by libido is a little down? Like you dont feel like bustin a nut to much, or you are shooting pool with a rope? You should grab some Cabaser bro. Thats up there with one of the Golden supps, and most effective that I have used. I wouldnt dare run NPP at your dosage without it, let alone my dosage. lol. The only reason I am thinking on upping the dosage slightly is because I had zero sides last time I ran it. I ran it with the Var/dbol combo, but will probably run it straight with dbol this time. Keep me posted on how the cycle turns out. You definaltey are the NPP pioneer I will give you that. I bet you bleed NPP, when you cut yourself bro, lol.
Mavy
BigAndy69 said:Mavy, try 150mg ED of NPP...lol That's what I'm doing right now... libido is a little lower but I look like a cyborg...this is too much fun.
Damn bro...I'm up-ing the dosage from 466 ew to 700 ew because at 466 I didn't see the sides and barely saw the benefits. I'm hoping this is the magic number for me...started on christmas eve.
Started what on Christmass eve? The NPP or you mean you upped it 700? I hope you mean you upped it to 700, because of course you wont see results for a little longer than that. I found it took about 1.5-2 weeks til I really started to feel it. But I did feel some pumps in the first week when I ran it, that were probably from the dbol and var.
Mavy said:Damn, thats a bit over a gram, dont know about that yet. I was thinking 100mg/ed, not to far off, but only trying it for about 4 weeks, as thats all the time I have left til I leave for a nice little vacation!
And what do you mean by libido is a little down? Like you dont feel like bustin a nut to much, or you are shooting pool with a rope? You should grab some Cabaser bro. Thats up there with one of the Golden supps, and most effective that I have used. I wouldnt dare run NPP at your dosage without it, let alone my dosage. lol. The only reason I am thinking on upping the dosage slightly is because I had zero sides last time I ran it. I ran it with the Var/dbol combo, but will probably run it straight with dbol this time. Keep me posted on how the cycle turns out. You definaltey are the NPP pioneer I will give you that. I bet you bleed NPP, when you cut yourself bro, lol.
Mavy
LOL, yup, I don't recommend this to anyone, I've been using NPP for a lonnng time. No erection problems.
-It takes me a while to "bust a nut"
-I don't really want sex as much
My cycle is
1050mg of NPP per week
350mg Boldenone Propionate per week
350mg Test Prop per week
175mg Winny per week
for 7 weeks.
followed by
525mg Boldenone Propionate per week
350mg Test Prop per week
for 3 weeks
followed by
350mg Test Prop per week
350mg Anavar per week
for 2 weeks
followed by
350mg Anavar per week
for 2-3 weeks
followed by
PCT
Cabaser? Don't really have a need for it, but I have it on hand.
JKurz1
Banned
BigAndy69 said:
thats some serious shit! Design me a good lean mass cycle, moderate at most and I'll be forever grateful....big ass x-mas gift.....promise.
100mg of test prop 10ccs
20-30cc of winny
20-30cc of eq
100 tabs dbol
10cc of 200mg deca
10cc of tren 200mg (enth)
10cc of sus 250
10cc of test 400
and a pct....
Goldprospector
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jkurz, check this out...My recent cycle started in the first week of October. It seems pretty basic, and it was a good lean mass cycle for me. I am seeing my top four abs as of today and I have never seen them before in my life.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=363250
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=363250
Most people get into juice because they aren't making gains anyway. So, if they can't train and eat properly I have no expectation that they are going to use steroids properly. Hence, I'm not surprised in the least.JKurz1 said:
What does surprise me is the emphasis on weight gain at all costs. The 180lbs newbie gaining 25 lbs on his cycle using 100mg of A50 ED, 1 gram of test and 500mg of tren weekly gets praised while the seasoned 240 lbs vet adding 12 quality pounds using far lower dosages of mild anabolics gets the 'should have used more test and/or dbol' from every joe rookie on here. One of these guys had to work significantly smarter and harder than the other - yet this generally goes unnoticed.
JKurz1 said:
I'm sorry I don't understand the term "moderate"
I thought this was hardcore bodybuilding? lol j/k
I need more info from you.
Goals, previous experience...mg of the dbol...
Are you sensitive to tren, deca, test...If you have an idea let me know.
Mavy said:
I started my new cycle on christmas eve with the NPP at 700mg ew. I'm hoping the results that I "will" see are better then those I expierenced with the lower dosage. I'm not sold on NPP yet. If this doesn't do it for me then i'll chalk this up with prop..things that do not work well in my system
T
The Shadow
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JKurz1 said:
yep....basics are usually the best
T
The Shadow
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Crucial imo
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