Why is it that Gear is viewed as good and rec drugs viewed as bad?

[ZKaudio]

One of the better arguments I have heard here is that AS is a self chosen drug and differs from recreationaly drugs because you don't use it to "fit in". Unfortunately, society's view of the ideal physique causes some young bbrs to turn to roids to help attain thelook. Also, about recreational drugs being addictive... with the exception of a select few drugs, most are psycologically dependent. NOT physically; alcohol, heroin, and meth are some of the only PHYSICALLY dependent drugs out there. I knofor a fact that most of you on this board use AS on a regular basis. Dont tell me you planned on maintaining your AS usage throughout your life when u first started. Most of you were probably planning on one cycle then you would stop. But once you have experienced such a powerful gain in such a short amount of time, how can you then go back to natural training for the rest of your life? Especially if your goals are to be hUGe! There is also the initial decrease in neurotransmitter surge when coming off esp. a test cycle. This can lead to post cycle depression and in turn lead to another cycle. My overall argument is that roids can be just as bad as any rec. drug; I do believe that using can lead to psycological dependence. Some of this dependence is also due to the fact that you ALL HAVE BODY DISMORPHIA! lol... Fortunately the users of AS are WORLDS more intelligent than most rec users and also have to plan out their cycles, thereby giving them some time to make sure they are using the proper compounds and what not. I believe that ANY psycologically addictive drug can be beaten with will power. And yes I do have close friends with cocaine problems...get the rest of your life together and the addiction will fade

Sry if this is poorly written, I am still asleep

 

[Fonz]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why is it that Gear is viewed as good and rec drugs viewed as bad?

Now that you made yourself feel better asshole. Let me tell you how it is. I have a four year degree and an MBA. I am 27. This year I will make 300K. I am in sales and the top of my company. I drive a benz and I have three income properties. I did it all myself. I am a hustler. I was just trying to pick peoples brains and discuss a topic. It is people like you who are not happy with themselves that have to justify things by bringing others down. Whether you believe me or not I don't give a shit. If you live near NJ I will pick you up for lunch sometime so you can get a ride in a real car and meet a real successful person.

Really?

I'm in DC now. I'll fly down next weekend if need be.

And 300K?

Is that all.............

Try $1m/year........then come back later.

And by your post, I'm betting you're into rec. drugs.
No AAS user would have asked that question because
he would already know the answer drom experience.

Fonz



Fonz

 

[Lumberg]

Sounds like both of you like to talk about yourselves a lot.

Congratufuckinglations. You're both my heroes.

Overall I think if you legalize alcohol weed has to be legal too. I personally do not do either except special occasions because it interferes with my training.

It's not a coincidence that the most popular drugs are also the ones that tend to get a lot of repeat users.

And as far as drugs go what about caffeine and nicotine? I think caffeine, especially in light of the recent articles, is bad for you. I also think lighted tobacco products should be banned.

Finally what about ECA? While ostensibly used for fat loss, there are many, many people who use it for "a boost" whether before working out or before going out. Where does that fall?

OK I'm done. Continue congratulating yourselves.

JC

 

[Kanine]

The line between use and abuse is way to thin to say your on one side or the other, however, use...rather than abuse makes your ARGUMENT for drugs or roids a better one but still doesnt mean diddly hack squat to anyone but yourself. Sure..I could say Roids are safer or "good" and rec. drugs are "bad" but as soon as my buddy dies from injecting a vein with Sust watch my tune change dramatically...or if my buddy does his first line of coke and blows a heart valve....a user?..hardly..abuser?..nope..which one was bad and which one was good...no such thing...But I will offer this....the people associated with these drugs usaully determine they're status....usually. Bottom Line: the more you do either the better chance you have of something going wrong, bunk gear, bad X, overdose, damged kidney, etc... Be a Star in one Sport...dont try to be good at everything one out there, thats when you run into trouble. Good and Bad opinions are case specific. We would be fooling ourselves to say one is better than the other.

 

[littlelyle]

i think that cops are juicers too but not junkies......that is the difference.......a juiced out dude is not a junkie he is the man!

 

[hitmeoff]

Listen up, there is no differance, MORALLY between rec drugs, gear, and legal drugs.

Ive read arguments saying rec drugs can kill you blah blah blah. In generally one night of coke use wont kill you. It takes about a lifetimes worth of dependance for you to die off of cocaine use. Fact of the matter is, most coke users are also big alcoholics, and typically like to do thier coke, with hard liquor. Most coke user that die at young age, typically die from cirrociss (sp?) of the liver, due to the alcohol, not coke. If you die off of one hit of coke, it means you were allergic to it, but you can be allergic to and die off of anything, so this doesnt really further any points that coke is anyworse than AAS.

Most people, if they do it correctly, wont die off of X either. People that die of X die of either heat exhaustion, dehydration or both. They take X, the go out and danc ein a hot sweaty club all night long, and drink alcohol. Since X is an amphetamine, it raises your body temp, so factor all three things in and of course your asking for trouble. But again, if you were to just chill out and not take such stupid risks, you probably wouldnt die off of X either. Meth, very similar properties to X, so the same argument for X goes for meth.

LSD, Shrooms, Mescaline: Forget it. THey arent toxic at all. THe only people that have ever died off these drugs, were people who were so weak minded, that they couldnt hadnle thier trip, and did something really idiotic like jump of a building or into moving traffic. Yes it happens, but its not toxicity that kills the people who are on these drugs.

Weed: Come on! If any drug should be legalized, its this one. Im amazed at how truly destructive drugs like alcohol are legal, while marijuana is still illegal. Law makers need to figuere out a way to profit off of weed, and then maybe they'd legalize it.

Heroin: Ok, you got me here, obviously a nasty, horrible drug. As addictive as ciggarrettes, as toxic as anything else. But heroine is essentially the same drug as morphine. Its an opiate, so its in the same class of drugs as Valium, Vicodines, and Codiene. ANd I KNOW pletny of you out there love these pharmies. Well guess what? You guys are just doing legal SMACK!

Alcohol: Toxic as holy hell, addictive, and a true psychological monster. Think Roid Rage is bad? shit, give anyone a fifth of whiskey and you'll see real rage. But prohibition clearly showed us why even this piece of garbage drug should be legalized.

Am I saying drugs are good? No. Am Isaying drugs are bad? No. What I am saying is that its everyone's personal decision whether or not they do a drug. Any reason, outside of medical reasons, are one and the same. I dont care if you take drugs to look better, or to feel better. It doesnt matter. You are still taking drugs, when you dont have too. And if thats your choice so be it. But please dont put yourself on some kind of moral high horse becaus eyou choose to do a particualr kind of drug over another. Your reasons are no more valid than anyone elses. End of story.

 

[drrman]

Hitmeoff, you beat me to it bro, excellent post. You couldn't have said it any better. I am an occasional recreational drug user and i have a college degree and get along fine in life. I went through a stage where i can say i was a worse person due to rec drugs but i passed it. Steroids are just as addicting as anything i have ever done, including all recreational drugs.

 

[IronKop77]

I agree with th last 2 responses. I also attribute most great art and literature to recreational drug use but not abouse although some did abuse. Steroids are a drug none the less. I think we here acept it to comfort oursleves. Also someone else said that people have died from x abuse do some research and there are very few. Actually only 1 medically documented death attributed to real X.

 

[1Mistake]

Listen up, there is no differance, MORALLY between rec drugs, gear, and legal drugs.

Ive read arguments saying rec drugs can kill you blah blah blah. In generally one night of coke use wont kill you. It takes about a lifetimes worth of dependance for you to die off of cocaine use. Fact of the matter is, most coke users are also big alcoholics, and typically like to do thier coke, with hard liquor. Most coke user that die at young age, typically die from cirrociss (sp?) of the liver, due to the alcohol, not coke. If you die off of one hit of coke, it means you were allergic to it, but you can be allergic to and die off of anything, so this doesnt really further any points that coke is anyworse than AAS.

Most people, if they do it correctly, wont die off of X either. People that die of X die of either heat exhaustion, dehydration or both. They take X, the go out and danc ein a hot sweaty club all night long, and drink alcohol. Since X is an amphetamine, it raises your body temp, so factor all three things in and of course your asking for trouble. But again, if you were to just chill out and not take such stupid risks, you probably wouldnt die off of X either. Meth, very similar properties to X, so the same argument for X goes for meth.

LSD, Shrooms, Mescaline: Forget it. THey arent toxic at all. THe only people that have ever died off these drugs, were people who were so weak minded, that they couldnt hadnle thier trip, and did something really idiotic like jump of a building or into moving traffic. Yes it happens, but its not toxicity that kills the people who are on these drugs.

Weed: Come on! If any drug should be legalized, its this one. Im amazed at how truly destructive drugs like alcohol are legal, while marijuana is still illegal. Law makers need to figuere out a way to profit off of weed, and then maybe they'd legalize it.

Heroin: Ok, you got me here, obviously a nasty, horrible drug. As addictive as ciggarrettes, as toxic as anything else. But heroine is essentially the same drug as morphine. Its an opiate, so its in the same class of drugs as Valium, Vicodines, and Codiene. ANd I KNOW pletny of you out there love these pharmies. Well guess what? You guys are just doing legal SMACK!

Alcohol: Toxic as holy hell, addictive, and a true psychological monster. Think Roid Rage is bad? shit, give anyone a fifth of whiskey and you'll see real rage. But prohibition clearly showed us why even this piece of garbage drug should be legalized.

Am I saying drugs are good? No. Am Isaying drugs are bad? No. What I am saying is that its everyone's personal decision whether or not they do a drug. Any reason, outside of medical reasons, are one and the same. I dont care if you take drugs to look better, or to feel better. It doesnt matter. You are still taking drugs, when you dont have too. And if thats your choice so be it. But please dont put yourself on some kind of moral high horse becaus eyou choose to do a particualr kind of drug over another. Your reasons are no more valid than anyone elses. End of story.

Valium is a benzo-not an opiate

J

 

[hitmeoff]

My bad...I knew either Valium or Vicodine wasnt one, just could remember which, just threw them both in there and was hoping you guys wouldnt catch it