Why is it that Gear is viewed as good and rec drugs viewed as bad?

[Machiavellian Muscle]

Just curious as to why most of the public and by that I mean people that frequent these boards can justify in their minds that gear is good and recreational drugs are bad? Personally, I believe that moderation is the key in life. However, that does not seem to be the general school of thought. If you think about it gear can have many more serious side effects than doing recreational drugs. For instance, if one does not really educate themselves before doing gear they can have some serious side effects. It is not uncommon for someone to shed a signifcant amount of gear if they use certain steriods like winstrol and primo. However, if you do get educated you know that there are certain things that you can do to protect yourself such as spiro, proscar etc. But you better take note that they do not protect you and could cause more damage with items like fina or deca. Also, some novices quick to the game do not protect themselves with nolvadex and/or armidex and get gyno. In short steriods are dangerous and even more dangerous in heavy dosages because of the side effects that are physically apparent and not are not physically apparent. (blood levels etc.)

But why is it that most people feel that recreational drug use is so evil. Is it because they have never tried, had a friend who died etc. I think that they are equal to steriods. If you are careful and educate yourself chances are you will be fine. Like steriods most substances are mentally addicting not physically addicting.

Personally I have know lots of people that tried both. I have witnessed more people get fucked up off roids than occasionally party drugs. By that I mean loss their hair, get bitch tits, acne, get huge then small, fuck up their natural test levels. Just curious as to what you guys think and why?

 

[OKIE]

I'm not sure which recreational drugs you are talking about, but I have heard of many people dying from using one hit of cocaine or X, but I have never heard of anyone dying from one shot of gear. I think people view them differently because recreational drugs are for simply recreation and getting f***ed up, while most use anabolics for physical and cosmetic advantages. In terms of the dangers of side effects they are similar and I agree that moderation is key with everything, but I think you will find that the majority of people who use recreational drugs on a regular basis and the people who take cycles on a regular basis are very different kinds of people.

 

[SofaGeorge]

[But why is it that most people feel that recreational drug use is so evil. Is it because they have never tried, had a friend who died etc. I think that they are equal to steriods. If you are careful and educate yourself chances are you will be fine. Like steriods most substances are mentally addicting not physically addicting.

I'm 43 and my 'opinion' about recreational drugs is based solely on the passage of years. I've watched many people grow from their young teen years to adulthood. My experience has been that almost entirely people kid themselves that they can use recreational drugs in 'moderation' and lead happy productive lives. The happy productive people that I know don't use rec drugs. As a matter of fact - I don't know a single person at the top of their industry who uses rec drugs. I know lots of losers who do. I know lots of people who have lost/are losing their families and businesses who use rec drugs. I know a lot of people with stagnant uninteresting lives who use rec drugs... but for the most part I think I have yet to meet a successful, interesting person who qualifies as a 'moderate' rec drug user.

The saddest part of this is that there are many people who THINK they come under the heading of someone who has successfully integrated 'moderate' 'light' or 'heavy' rec drug use into their life and that they are a shining example that it can be done. Denial, lack of perspective, etc... make it pretty hard to evaluate how rec drugs actually effect you, your family, your friends, your job, etc... (Case in point - most people in AA don't go to AA on their own... they get dragged there by family and friends thinking they don't have a problem.)

Steroids on the other hand seem to attract a different kind of personality than rec drugs. Often it is a person who wants to excel, to succeed, to be their best. I've know many happy, emotionally healthy, successful long term steroid users who have good families, good relationships with their children and the respect of their friends and co-workers.

Just my 2cc

 

[SCOTTY-TWO-HOTTY]

Simple...

Steroids are "pro-social": The people that use them do so to improve there physique and/or performance in sports. In doing so, they have made themselves more marketable, and not merely in an athletic sense. Weather it is fair or not, we are constantly judged by how we look. It is part of our culture to do so. With an improved appearance, comes more favorable treatment by business and personal contacts we have everyday.

Recreational drugs are a mechanism for escape: Anti-social purpose.

 

[Machiavellian Muscle]

Re: Re: Why is it that Gear is viewed as good and rec drugs viewed as bad?

As a matter of fact - I don't know a single person at the top of their industry who uses rec drugs. I know lots of losers who do.

Just curious you don't think their are people that are at the top of their game that use recreational drugs moderately. I believe their a many many top level executives, business owners who use recreatinal drugs moderately, weed, etc. However they do not people know about it such as yourself and the general public. I believe a lot of people lead double lives. I am not flaming anyone this is just my opinion.

And Scotty-Two-Hotty
I think a lot of people use recreational drugs for Pro-Social reasons not anti -social reasons. Brings down barriers and makes them more open?

 

[spentagn]

Mack, as Seinfeld would say, who are these people?

 

[SCOTTY-TWO-HOTTY]

Re: Re: Re: Why is it that Gear is viewed as good and rec drugs viewed as bad?

And Scotty-Two-Hotty
I think a lot of people use recreational drugs for Pro-Social reasons not anti -social reasons. Brings down barriers and makes them more open?

What recreational drugs are you refering to?

I haven't encountered one incidence where I have looked at a person more favorably when they had alcohol on their breath or had blood-shot eyes from smoking weed.

With respect to what you are saying here... the only way this would work, is if it is a drunk interacting with another drunk, or someone who is stoned is dealing with another "high" person. Think about how someone who is "sober" looks at such people. It is certainly not pro-socially.

 

[jacobswell]

many peoples views on rec drugs are based on the media i think. u hear of deaths by xtc, coke etc and u get a negative image of them. but the media also doesnt like AS yet we can all see past that bullshit. we know they are only trying to sell a story and that we the people who actually use gear know what is going on and that AS are not as bad as everyone thinks. well i can tell u that as a rec drug user myself that they are not nearly as bad as everyone thinks.
everything in moderation obviously. loadsa gear heads who have gone over the top have had problems in later life.
when people say rec drugs fuck u up they are prob referring to hard drugs such as crack, heroin. but all rec drugs are lumped in one big ball of junkies. i have used drugs, have had a good time and survived and gone about my day.
on the idea that no one can reach the top of the profession with rec drugs ill argue that every good musician was/is a hard drug user. e.g. elton john, jimi hendrix, inxs etc. too many to count.

 

[me2dammit]

well

as far as people getting fucked up off roids these are the same people that can't train anyway.

More than likely the people that get fucked up think roids are a magic pill. These are the same types that fuck up recreational drug use for responsible people.

I have yet to see a dude of decent size that went over to the "darkside" that got fucked up. Its always the "little shits"(we are all little to the pros i'm talking about real little shits lol) that fuck things up. People like this.

I'm 6'3 195 14% bodyfat and I want to do 750 mg of test and 75 mgs of fina ED and 40mg dbol for 12 weeks. Than this same asshole posts "help my hair is gone or Help I have tits".

There are to many of them and they fuck it up for all of us. These are the pricks that the media concentrates on. Not the rest of us who are doing things fine. Its like concentrating on winos and drunks and not on the millions and millions of people that drink responsibly.

I had a few people accuse me of being "on" before I started and believe thats where most should be before starting roids. That means you have dedication already and are less prone to fuck up.

Recreational drugs also fuck with other people. You abuse alcohol and you might drive drunk and kill some folks or beat your family. You do mushrooms, pcp, or lsd. You might think someones a fucking demon and killem.

Roid use doens't fuck with other people. The obsession of bodybuilding might fuck up personal relationships but thats there without roids. There is no logical reason roids should be illegal except the money being made by bodybuilding mags and supplement companies selling millions and millions of people the hope of achieving those physiques with their products. Thats a multibillion dollar a year industry based on blatant "illegal drug use". LOL

American lawyers looking for a scapegoat made this "roid rage" bullshit up. People don't flip out on juice. If that was the case it would be alot and I mean alot of ass whoppings in the gym. Especially with how stupid people act. LOL

No comparing rec drugs and roids. One gets you and other people killed the other might give some dumbass a set of tits. Go visit sites of louie,sergio,draper,scott,pearl,columbo, viator. These people have been using alot of gear for decades hardly ever coming off and are in better condition than most americans their age.

Whats would be worse. Staying on test all year(with some anti-e's on hand and some proscar or saw palmetto for hair and prostate) or eating the average americans diet? Thats debatable aint it? But we know if you are shooting heroin everday for a year you will be one fucked up lookin piece of shit by years end.

Moderation is the key, but what do we do as people in this lifestyle that is moderate. We carry fucking chicken breats and protein drinks with us. We go through fat ass coworkers pointing and shit. We are never satisfied with our bodies. That shit is there with or with out gear. No driving left of center and killing a mother and four kids is a recreational drug problem. Even todays top pros who abuse roids are not a danger to others,so how could we be?

A dumbass is a danger to himself with or without roids.

 

[SofaGeorge]

Re: Re: Re: Why is it that Gear is viewed as good and rec drugs viewed as bad?

Just curious you don't think their are people that are at the top of their game that use recreational drugs moderately. I believe their a many many top level executives, business owners who use recreatinal drugs moderately, weed, etc. However they do not people know about it such as yourself and the general public. I believe a lot of people lead double lives. I am not flaming anyone this is just my opinion.

And Scotty-Two-Hotty
I think a lot of people use recreational drugs for Pro-Social reasons not anti -social reasons. Brings down barriers and makes them more open?

That is becauseyou base your beliefs on what you 'believe.' I base my beliefs on what I 'know.'

Without even knowing you: you are age wise mid-20s at most. You do not hold a 6 figure job. (I'd be surprised if you are even turing 50k a year.) You are not in a senior employment position, nor does anyone knowing your employment record see you as promotable to a position of serious responsibility. Your resume does not include ANY impressive career achievements.

I'm not trying to flame your or insult you by posting this. I'm simply forming an oppinion based on the lack of experience and insight you communicate in your writing.

Life experience is a great teacher. Most people waste their youths missing the lessons.