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Why I Box Squat

bblazer

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Since there have been a few threads lately about box squatting, I thought I would throw my hat and $0.06 into the fray.

Simply put, I use box squats to work on form, get a bigger squat number and explosiveness out of the hole. Lets me get into a little more detail about each of those.

Lets say you have a goal of squatting 495 and you are currently doing 405 for a double. Start with a high box or even the bench. Load 465 and squat. Where on your body you touch the bench tells you a lot about your form. I try and touch my nut sack. In my particular case, this lets me know that I have rotated my hips out and back enough. At this point, you have an option. You can touch and go, or you can actually sit down and take the full brunt of the weight essentially releasing your legs from the lift. In the beginning the touch and go is the safest, especially when you are venturing into new weight territory, as yiour hams and glutes are still at least partially engaged. Fully sitting releases this engagement, and forces you to reengage and drive up out of the hole, in effect putting extra load on your erector chain. Do not rock back or move your feet. This has obvious inherent dangers of many different types of injury. Proceed with caution and make sure you have a belt on. Once you feel comfortable with this, you can go to your goal of 495 - still using the bench in this case.

In my gym the next step is a 10" high steel box that I welded up. To go slightly lower than the bench, I stack 2 35's on top of it and repeat the above (starting back at 465). Still working on form as the top priority. Without my form being as good as I can make it, I know that I have no business venturing further. Also, going lower like this engages the hams and glutes that much more. This is important, because in my experience, ham or glute deficiency is second to form when there is weakness in a squat.

Hopefully by now you can see where I am going with this. Once efficiency and good form is achieved with 2 35's you pull one off and repeat the cycle, until eventually you are just hitting the box.

Now here is the important part. Depending on how long you have been training, what I have just outlined could take you 6 months or more to make this progression from 405 to 495. But there is an added bonus here for your hard work. If you completely sit on the box, you will not only have gotten to 495, but your stability in the hole, and your explosiveness out of the hole will be much stronger. Plus you will have another tool in your arsenal for working on your form.

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Hell no! I'm too afraid of meeting you in a dark alley to do that!!

B-

He'd block the sun with his lats and quads...but his head might reflect a few rays...you could be ok! :)

Nice write up. I've used the box squat to make sure that the guys here that train with me squat right. They think they are squatting deep enough till I put the box there and tell them that it is the START of "depth".
 
I too work in the touch-n-go with a heavy weight and work up to a complete deload. I usually start with 16 and go to 14 which is below parallel. I'm a box squatting and PL rookie , so I haven't had to increase the range much yet. I reserve the 12" box for lighter form stuff and changeups.
 
How about dynamic work?

Since my move away from PLing and more into strongman, I have to confess that I rarely do dynamic work. At least not in the classic sense. I used to use a lot of bands and chains, but I don't as much anymore. Admittedly, this is probably a hole in my program.

However, I am always trying to move as fast as possible. Just not with a lot of accommodating resistance items like bands and chains, and/or with sub-maximal weights - at least no work sets are done below 75% 1RM.

This answer carries the caveat that by dynamic work, you are using it as defined my Westside or similar systems.

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Would you say the touch-and-go or the full sit will make you stronger, overall, not just lower body obviously?
 
Would you say the touch-and-go or the full sit will make you stronger, overall, not just lower body obviously?

You should never "touch and go" or "relax" on the box. Both will cause injury.
 
Would you say the touch-and-go or the full sit will make you stronger, overall, not just lower body obviously?

That is a tough one. But I would venture to guess that the full sit would because not only are you taking the full brunt of the weight, but you have to re-engage everything to get back up.

Try setting the pins so that when you get under the bar you are almost "in the hole" and try standing the bar up. You'll see what I mean.

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You should never "touch and go" or "relax" on the box. Both will cause injury.

I think he was referring to my definitions that could probably use some clarification.

By tough-and-go, I mean descending to a box until you just touch it and going back up; using it as an indicator for depth.

When I said relax, that too may be taken wrong. Here my intent was to say sit on the box taking tension out of your glutes and hams, and then having to re-engage them for the drive up.

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I think he was referring to my definitions that could probably use some clarification.

By tough-and-go, I mean descending to a box until you just touch it and going back up; using it as an indicator for depth.

When I said relax, that too may be taken wrong. Here my intent was to say sit on the box taking tension out of your glutes and hams, and then having to re-engage them for the drive up.

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I always just refer to that as "deloading". As B-fold points out "relax" can send the wrong message, but "sit on the box taking tension out of your glutes and hams" gets tedious pretty quick.

I've always preferred teaching people to Box by deloading right from the start, but substantially drop their poundage, as they are likely to struggle driving up. So many relatively big guys with flat hams and skinny welfare butts just cannot come off the box w/o compromising form terribly.
 
I think he was referring to my definitions that could probably use some clarification.

By tough-and-go, I mean descending to a box until you just touch it and going back up; using it as an indicator for depth.

When I said relax, that too may be taken wrong. Here my intent was to say sit on the box taking tension out of your glutes and hams, and then having to re-engage them for the drive up.

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Most of the time when I tell people to relax their hips and hams on the box, they relax everything, including their core and lose all their air. They end up tipping over straight away when they come off the box, or goodmorning up the weight...lol
 
Most of the time when I tell people to relax their hips and hams on the box, they relax everything, including their core and lose all their air. They end up tipping over straight away when they come off the box, or goodmorning up the weight...lol

A 400 lb goodmorning on a box will teach them.

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