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Why does noone use low dose dbol anymore?

MrRTTB

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I've been reading some of the "old" pro's cycles and saw theyu often used dbol in the 70:ties at low doses as 10mg ED. By time everything gets bigger with some reason, doses increase etc..

I'm running test and EQ right now. Fir the last 10 weeks I thought I would do something about the dbol I have left and came up with maybe I should add 10-15mg each day. Would it do anything as I'm already on other things or would one have to bump the dose to 20mg and higher. I'm also starting winny soon. They are both harsh on the liver I know that, but still I thought of a spil of 50mgwinny 5 weeks, 10-15mg dbol 4 weeks, then another 2-3 weeks 10mg in the morning post cycle(doen this before with success). I'm also going to run ALa, milktistle, Liv52 and GLA. To this stack, slin post workout 3 weeks + glutamine + creatine. What do you say? Any benefit at all with adding dbol that low dose. I thought of things like increase of protein synthesis, mood, strength, apetite..
 
with everything else you are taking it would be hard to figure out exactly how much the dbol helped. I like the idea of low dose dbol too. I would love for someone to volunteer to do like 8 weeks at 10mg day first thing in the morning. I wonder how hard recovery would be if suppression happens at all?
 
i've used 5mg daily, in the mornings for a couple weeks. i had some extra and wanted to try the whole dbol bridge idea, but with only 5, and for just a week or two. i noticed a decent increase in pump and appetite. i could get a few extra reps in as well. i think a 10mg morning cycle would be a great idea for someone who wanted a cheap cycle, with little to no side effects. keep in mind nobody will change their body in 10 weeks like today's common cycles will. but, then again, it's a cheap ass, side effect free way to make some gains...

jkerry
 
ITs not needed to go high, but it depends on brand too. Thai's are good enough you only need around 20mg/day, but RefB, i needed like 50mg to feel any worth.
Good dbol shouldnt take more than 25mg for you to be happy.
 
I use 20 MG a day and am quite happy with the results. It seems that If I use more, I start to get side effects and I don't need that.
 
ONCE AND FOR ALL...


People have got to get it out their head that 5-10 mgs of d-bol AM is non suppressive. That was something that Bill Roberts ( a guy with zero credibilty) pulled out of his ass and people like Fonz continue to espouse because he likes the idea. It has absolutely no scientific evidence behind it. None. Just a bunch of psudo-scientic postulating that impresses people who don't know any better.

If a d-bol bridge helped with suppression, don't you think that the medical community would use it? Yeah, the Mayo clinic couldn't figure this out but some kid on the internet did. Give me a fucking break.

As little as 10 mgs of d-bol for 10 days will lower testosterone by up to 40%. At 8 weeks it can cause irreperable damage to the liver.

STOP FOOLING YOUSELVES THAT THIS STUFF IS NOT A POWERFUL DRUG!!!

Back in the 1960's Russian Olympic lifters were shattering world records when they started using 10 mgs of d-bol. Today, some newbie with 14" arms thinks he needs 50 mgs a day.

It's pathetic.
 
alanchiras said:
I use 20 MG a day and am quite happy with the results. It seems that If I use more, I start to get side effects and I don't need that.
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ditto.

it is indeed a powerful drug. i think that this is a difficult concept to grasp when someone holds those tiny little tabs in their hand.
 
Nelson Montana said:

As little as 10 mgs of d-bol for 10 days will lower testosterone by up to 40%. At 8 weeks it can cause irreperable damage to the liver.
It's pathetic.
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I wouldn't say that at 10mg's a day dbol may cause irreversable liver damage.

I was talking to Sofageorge on a thread not too long ago, and he has seen countless bloodwork done on people who ran a dose like this for much longer than 8 weeks. And everything checked out good -- Dbol for 6 weeks or less is a myth -- provided doses are "Old School" so to say.
 
I am going to use
week 1 15mgs
week 2 20mgs
week 3 20mgs
week 4 15mgs

russian 5mgs tabs

and week1-10 sust 500mgs a week

first time using dbol and only wanna buy one pack (100tabs)

I think from my research, that is a pretty good way of using it IMO
 
As little as 10 mgs of d-bol for 10 days will lower testosterone by up to 40%. At 8 weeks it can cause irreperable damage to the liver.
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Nelson, where do you come up with this stuff...?

People have been doing 8-10 week cycles of Dbol since the 70's. At "reasonable" dosages with proper ramp up, ramp down, and an HCG or Clomid follow up, Dbol is one of the safest forms of AS on the block.

I'd be alot more concerned about the people on here that I've seen saying that they skip any kind of tapering with Dbol, they start downing 50mg a day, and don't bother with follow up Clomid normalization because "it's just Dbol...".
 
I'm currently running Dbol at 10 mg per day with 500mg test and happy with the results.


RADAR
 
houseofpain said:


Nelson, where do you come up with this stuff...?

People have been doing 8-10 week cycles of Dbol since the 70's. At "reasonable" dosages with proper ramp up, ramp down, and an HCG or Clomid follow up, Dbol is one of the safest forms of AS on the block.


Where do YOU come up with this? D-bol is the safest? I'd put Primo, winny, var and just about every injectable before it in terms of safety.

When I say something CAN do something, that doesn't mean it will. But it can. Some people can drink more than others. Some people can smoke a pack a day and live to be 85. That doesn't mean smoking is harmless. D-bol was never meant for long term therapy.
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That is how one should look at it. I myself must be one of the "ones" who doesn not fit into the classic "this is how it's probably going to go" as I gained 40lb from a cycle and kept 30, still abs showing and fat just a little higher from messurements.

As for the dbol It m,ight be that it lowers testosterone with 40% in 10dfays( not that I beleeve in it)but at that dose I do not think it will take long to get it back to normal.

Orals especially will do harm to the organs with time and of course with crazy doses and an unhealthy lifestyle. But the liver is one of those organs who will get back in shape quite fast. The organ that concerns me more is the kidneys. They are not that easy to "repair" and still people give them very little attention when they are on orals.
 
Where do YOU come up with this? D-bol is the safest? I'd put Primo, winny, var and just about every injectable before it in terms of safety.

When I say something CAN do something, that doesn't mean it will. But it can. Some people can drink more than others. Some people can smoke a pack a day and live to be 85. That doesn't mean smoking is harmless. D-bol was never meant for long term therapy.
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I didn't say that Dbol was "the" saftest AS. I said that if you use it with reasonable dosages and follow up recovery, it's still "one of the safest" AS's you can use.

Correct dosages and duration all but eliminate the issue of liver problems unless you have a pre-existing condition already. (E.g. someone that would go into liver failure from mixing tylenol and a few beers would be the kind of person that would be the exception, not the norm).

I just don't agree with some of the blanket statements you make sometimes without any explainations about the "exceptions" that you may be thinking of, but don't articulate in your posts.

Like saying... "10mgs a day for 8 weeks can cause irrepairable liver damage".

The chances of that happening in someone with a normal healthy liver are EXTREMELY low.

I'm not trying to flame you, because you obviously have a lot of knowledge and experience behind you. But there are lots of guys on here that see your number of posts, consider you a senior member of the board, and take what you say as gospel. So you should think about the potential effect you have on an AS newbie when you make a post that doesn't fully explain your view.
 
houseofpain said:



I didn't say that Dbol was "the" saftest AS. I said that if you use it with reasonable dosages and follow up recovery, it's still "one of the safest" AS's you can use.

Correct dosages and duration all but eliminate the issue of liver problems unless you have a pre-existing condition already. (E.g. someone that would go into liver failure from mixing tylenol and a few beers would be the kind of person that would be the exception, not the norm).

I just don't agree with some of the blanket statements you make sometimes without any explainations about the "exceptions" that you may be thinking of, but don't articulate in your posts.

Like saying... "10mgs a day for 8 weeks can cause irrepairable liver damage".

The chances of that happening in someone with a normal healthy liver are EXTREMELY low.

I'm not trying to flame you, because you obviously have a lot of knowledge and experience behind you. But there are lots of guys on here that see your number of posts, consider you a senior member of the board, and take what you say as gospel. So you should think about the potential effect you have on an AS newbie when you make a post that doesn't fully explain your view.
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First of all, no one should judge an opinion based on the amount of posts someone has. Any idiot can post all day long -- and many do.

Secondly, it is common knowledge that d-bol is both very suppressive as well as liver toxic -- more so than many other drugs. I shouldn't have to explain that. If you're unfamiliar with side effects, do a search.

True, most healthy adults can tolerate "standard" dosages but it should never be "assumed" that any drug is safe because some people use it resklessly and don't show immediate problems. D-bol is a toxic drug. It is also very effective in dosages far less than many people realize.

How well you tolerate the toxicity varies. But its suppressive effect is pretty much across the board. IMO, over 8 weeks of d-bol is too long and anything over 25 mgs a day is too much -- if you care about maintainng a healthy HPTA. If not, enjoy.
 
Dbol is one of the MOST potent aas ever made IMO. Probably the most abused also. Many people do dbol only for their first cycle. Its a stupid thing to do, but many do it ... either cant get anything else, scared of injecting ... whatever.

houseofpain said:


I'm not trying to flame you, because you obviously have a lot of knowledge and experience behind you. But there are lots of guys on here that see your number of posts, consider you a senior member of the board, and take what you say as gospel. So you should think about the potential effect you have on an AS newbie when you make a post that doesn't fully explain your view.
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Houseofpain, if anything, Nelsons potential effect on an AAS newbie is definately for the better! Its the others that you have to worry about who offer basically the opposite advice (high dosages, huge cycles). Because this worked for them, dosent mean it should be given to a newbie for advice. IMO newbie advice should be the safest most precautionary advice you can offer.

Mavy
 
well this post has made me make the decision to run 10mg/ed of dbol for acouple weeks during the beginning of my cycle.
 
gretak911 said:
with everything else you are taking it would be hard to figure out exactly how much the dbol helped. I like the idea of low dose dbol too. I would love for someone to volunteer to do like 8 weeks at 10mg day first thing in the morning. I wonder how hard recovery would be if suppression happens at all?
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I volunteer.
 
my mate rob anderson has told me he is using a cycle that will go on for 6 months, the first 3 months will be on 100mg of dianabol a day, he will also be taking 4 ml of deca a week, 6 ml of test 500 a week. he says this cycle is the dogs bollocks and he has put on 2 and a half stone of muscle. we call him "the hulk"
 
Nelson Montana said:
ONCE AND FOR ALL...


People have got to get it out their head that 5-10 mgs of d-bol AM is non suppressive. That was something that Bill Roberts ( a guy with zero credibilty) pulled out of his ass and people like Fonz continue to espouse because he likes the idea. It has absolutely no scientific evidence behind it. None. Just a bunch of psudo-scientic postulating that impresses people who don't know any better.

If a d-bol bridge helped with suppression, don't you think that the medical community would use it? Yeah, the Mayo clinic couldn't figure this out but some kid on the internet did. Give me a fucking break.

As little as 10 mgs of d-bol for 10 days will lower testosterone by up to 40%. At 8 weeks it can cause irreperable damage to the liver.

STOP FOOLING YOUSELVES THAT THIS STUFF IS NOT A POWERFUL DRUG!!!

Back in the 1960's Russian Olympic lifters were shattering world records when they started using 10 mgs of d-bol. Today, some newbie with 14" arms thinks he needs 50 mgs a day.

It's pathetic.
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Thank you, thank you, thank you Nelson.

I feel the same way about most of the cycles I see on here.

I wish I could post images from my last MRI that shows an empty spot where 90% of my pituitary gland used to be because of mega dosing.

But no one will seem to listen.

B-
 
bblazer said:
Thank you, thank you, thank you Nelson.

I feel the same way about most of the cycles I see on here.

I wish I could post images from my last MRI that shows an empty spot where 90% of my pituitary gland used to be because of mega dosing.

But no one will seem to listen.

B-
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Link one link that shows Anabolic steroids deteriorate your pituitary .... ONE!

If you're talking about suppression... I call 100% bullshit.. People are on TRT for decades.. No pct, ever... 100% shutdown, sometimes before treatment- especially after.
 
I used 30mg/day for weeks 3-8 and it mmost definitely worked. I like in beginning. While waiting for injectibles to kick in,then come off dball.
 
ArmaniAK47 said:
Link one link that shows Anabolic steroids deteriorate your pituitary .... ONE!

If you're talking about suppression... I call 100% bullshit.. People are on TRT for decades.. No pct, ever... 100% shutdown, sometimes before treatment- especially after.
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Your pituitary has two halves. The frontal half is part of the HPTA. When it is totally suppressed it shrinks to nothing. It stops making LH and FSH, and can not recover.

I don't need to link anything. This come straight from my endo's mouth who just happens to be head of endocrinology for the Mayo clinic (Dr. Todd Nippoldt). He has written papers on this, given lectures, etc and most of it is available on the Mayo website.

I am on TRT now through him. This only started after 2 years of him prescribing the gamut of drugs to restart my pituitary. All failures.

So what part is bullshit?

And as a reminder, we keep things civil here. Its fine to disagree, but do so with respect.

B-
 
i have been working out for almost a year but stop for a few weeks in the middle..my height is 5ft 10 inches i weigh almost 69kg..but ive been working out regularly for d past few months..ive been using amino fuel whey protein and bcaa/glutamine tablets for a while now..my body fat is 16.5%..i want bigger arms now..is it advisible for me to take 2dbol tablets everyday before weight training for 6 weeks??muscle mass is 32.5 kgs..i eat 10-12 eggs a day and consume no fats..my diet is decent..does it have any serious side effect even on such a small dose??
 
I'm going to use low-dose dbol at the end of my test/tren/mast cutter to solidify some of the muscle, I never believed the crap about it sucking in cutter or lean mass cycles. Of course it aromatizes, but that's why we have powerful AIs like aromasin, formastanzol, letro, etc. With liver protectants and clean diet, dbol is awesome
 
Quit bumping 10 year old threads. Thanks
 
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