Why do you need a base ?

[drow2y]

I strongly disagree with this.

Lets say there are 2 people. Person A, and Person B. They both weigh 150lbs before ever touching a weight. Person A trains, eats and supplements right to get to 200lbs NATTY. Person B juices from day 1 to get to 200lbs.

Person B will LOOK LIKE SHIT compared to person A.

Now lets say Person A starts using to get to 220lbs. And the other guy just keeps juicing to get to 220lbs. They will NOT LOOK THE SAME.

There is a certain look that you get from just jumping on gear instead of building a decent foundation first. Like that kid in the video on another post. He LOOKS like he's been juicing since day 1. Not to mention that when person A jumps on some gear, he's gonna blow away Person B.

Great post bro

 

[Anabolic chest]

I'm 6'2 and 260 after just finishing a 14 week test cycle (750mg a week). This was my second injectable cycle. Now this is where it gets interesting, after my first test cycle (600mg a week) I was 250 with about the same BF. After this cycle I started a security job where I can't train or eat like a bodybuilder should for literally 8 weeks at a time. But after 18 months of eating the same portion sizes as 140lb filipino crew members (I do anti piracy work on ships, hence no gym) and doing nothing but pushups and chinups I weighed 240lb.
Do you know why? Because I lifted natty from 15yrs old at 190lbs to 25yrs old at 245lbs. Basically I'd built a solid base and this is now where my body feels most comfortable.
If I hadn't built that natural base I'd bet my house I'd have dropped down to around 215lbs at least.
This, in my eyes, is why it's imperative to build a natural base and I'd urge anyone to do so.
I jumped back on the juice after 18 months and after 14 weeks of moderate test dosage I'm now 260 and think I look pretty good.
If I had to do it all again I wouldn't jump ON sooner just for a shortcut, I wouldn't change a thing.

 

[semper03]

I'm 6'2 and 260 after just finishing a 14 week test cycle (750mg a week). This was my second injectable cycle. Now this is where it gets interesting, after my first test cycle (600mg a week) I was 250 with about the same BF. After this cycle I started a security job where I can't train or eat like a bodybuilder should for literally 8 weeks at a time. But after 18 months of eating the same portion sizes as 140lb filipino crew members (I do anti piracy work on ships, hence no gym) and doing nothing but pushups and chinups I weighed 240lb.
Do you know why? Because I lifted natty from 15yrs old at 190lbs to 25yrs old at 245lbs. Basically I'd built a solid base and this is now where my body feels most comfortable.
If I hadn't built that natural base I'd bet my house I'd have dropped down to around 215lbs at least.
This, in my eyes, is why it's imperative to build a natural base and I'd urge anyone to do so.
I jumped back on the juice after 18 months and after 14 weeks of moderate test dosage I'm now 260 and think I look pretty good.
If I had to do it all again I wouldn't jump ON sooner just for a shortcut, I wouldn't change a thing.

Dude I gotta see this 6'2 260 lbs, you gotta be a beast! Pics???


Hunter Of Gunmen

 

[Anabolic chest]

Dude I gotta see this 6'2 260 lbs, you gotta be a beast! Pics???


Hunter Of Gunmen

Im actually around 255 in my avi mate. Not sure about BF but I'd guess about 14%. My quads, hamstrings and glutes are also pretty big after years of low bar squatting.
That was week 7 of the cycle.

 

[wcjcMr.O]

I'm 6'2 and 260 after just finishing a 14 week test cycle (750mg a week). This was my second injectable cycle. Now this is where it gets interesting, after my first test cycle (600mg a week) I was 250 with about the same BF. After this cycle I started a security job where I can't train or eat like a bodybuilder should for literally 8 weeks at a time. But after 18 months of eating the same portion sizes as 140lb filipino crew members (I do anti piracy work on ships, hence no gym) and doing nothing but pushups and chinups I weighed 240lb.
Do you know why? Because I lifted natty from 15yrs old at 190lbs to 25yrs old at 245lbs. Basically I'd built a solid base and this is now where my body feels most comfortable.
If I hadn't built that natural base I'd bet my house I'd have dropped down to around 215lbs at least.
This, in my eyes, is why it's imperative to build a natural base and I'd urge anyone to do so.
I jumped back on the juice after 18 months and after 14 weeks of moderate test dosage I'm now 260 and think I look pretty good.
If I had to do it all again I wouldn't jump ON sooner just for a shortcut, I wouldn't change a thing.

I like it and totally agree bro. Good for you. I wish more bros would do this

 

[semper03]

Im actually around 255 in my avi mate. Not sure about BF but I'd guess about 14%. My quads, hamstrings and glutes are also pretty big after years of low bar squatting.
That was week 7 of the cycle.

It's hard to see on my iPhone but still you look pretty good bro! Great job man.


Hunter Of Gunmen

 

[jcmbbfuture]

There are a lot of things to consider here. I do believe that a good foundation will render more keepable gains on the future, but if everything is on point from day one for person A and B there will be a hide difference in physique over a set time. I have a perfect t example. At 5'8 and some change I reached 210lbs naturally at a pretty low bf. (Between 10-12%) I have been bodybuilding for over 5 years. I did my first cycle and topped out at 226lbs and still at a pretty low bf (about 13-15%) I ran 250mg of test e for 10 weeks. On the other hand I have a buddy who is a few months younger than me who has been bodybuilding for the same amount of time bit has been juicing from the start. He is about 5'10-11 and weighs over 230lbs and is no more than 7% bf. 7 weeks out of his next contest he could have dropped water and stepped on stage. He is a monster. Now I feel I have more potential and a better shape and foundation bit as of right now he is at least 2 years ahead of me in development. Now he def. works, eats, and trains very hard just like myself but the growth and juice has made.the difference.

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[drow2y]

There are a lot of things to consider here. I do believe that a good foundation will render more keepable gains on the future, but if everything is on point from day one for person A and B there will be a hide difference in physique over a set time. I have a perfect t example. At 5'8 and some change I reached 210lbs naturally at a pretty low bf. (Between 10-12%) I have been bodybuilding for over 5 years. I did my first cycle and topped out at 226lbs and still at a pretty low bf (about 13-15%) I ran 250mg of test e for 10 weeks. On the other hand I have a buddy who is a few months younger than me who has been bodybuilding for the same amount of time bit has been juicing from the start. He is about 5'10-11 and weighs over 230lbs and is no more than 7% bf. 7 weeks out of his next contest he could have dropped water and stepped on stage. He is a monster. Now I feel I have more potential and a better shape and foundation bit as of right now he is at least 2 years ahead of me in development. Now he def. works, eats, and trains very hard just like myself but the growth and juice has made.the difference.

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Great post bro thanks for sharing

 

[GreenBastard]

oral only cycles seem to be under rated. i have run several oral only cycles before with one or two orals, at moderate doses, made excellent gains and kept most of them. for me personally, an oral only cycle with something such as Anadrol or D bol acts just like a test e or c 12 week cycle, i keep just as much as i would with the injectables but it comes in 4 weeks and not 12.