Why do you guys use Sustanon instead of Cyp, Enan, or Omna???

[MadMachine]

I don't get it. Costs a butt load, takes forever too get going, and puts about the same amount of water on you as Cyp.... so, why do you guys use it?

(Please don't rattle off Omna and Sust tare the same things before you compare the meanings of the Dec, Hex, and Cap esters...You will find out HEX AND CAP are the same, not CAP and Dec! - which seems to be the common misconception.)

 

[The Iron Game]

omnadren is identical to sustanon in every way

enanthate and cypionate are also almost identical

enanthate / cypionate are IMHO far superior to sustanon/omndaren

Peace

 

[MadMachine]

omnadren is identical to sustanon in every way

Please look up the meanings for the esters in a Medical Drug Reference Guide. No flames, just asking that someone does this before saying this again!

(Not suggesting you're lazy, because some people use the boards as their only source of knowledge, but I just wish someone would read a book instead of things people hear from people, that hear from people, that their supplier who stands to make money from the lie told them.)

 

[FarBeyondDriven]

Omna and Sust are twins, but not siamese twins. Both are good combinations of fast and slow acting test, kinda like time released. Have seen some people get really sore of Jellfa Omn though. Sust is very common. I seem to gain better from it too. Think it is the combination of tests.

 

[MadMachine]

I have posted this before, will post it again...

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No, they are not [the same], that is the very common misconception. Here is what the total breakdown is:

Sustanon class drugs. Produced by Organon.

Sustanon '100'
20 mgs propinate
40 mgs phenylpropinate
40 mgs isocaproate
100mgs per mL, single glass ampule, rarely seen.

Sustanon '250'
30 mgs propinate
60 mgs phenylpropinate
60 mgs isocaproate
100 mgs decanoate
250mgs per mL, single glass ampule, common.

Omnadren class drugs. Produced by Polfa PL or now Jelfa PL.

Old Omnadren
20 mgs propinate
60 mgs phenylpropinate
60 mgs isohexanoate
100 mgs hexanoate
250mgs per mL, single glass ampule, rare.
Red or black ink on glass, ink rubs off easily.

New Omnadren
30 mgs propinate
60 mgs phenylpropinate
60 mgs isocaproate
100 mgs caproate
250mgs per mL, single glass ampule, common.
Paper label ampule, currently has black ink.

Hopefully that will clear up any misconceptions.
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Search for omnadren 250 results, it has 14 replies. That is where I originally posted this.

caproate is actually a shorter ester than enanthate
-That means a shorter release time-
Enanthate is much shorter then deconate
-That means a shorter release time-

*So if caproate is shorter (faster acting) than enanthate, which is shorter (Faster acting) than deconate... why are people still saying they are the same?



quote:
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Education goes a long way...don't let ignorance be an excuse.
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[MadMachine]

As you can see, Omna and Sus, both contain propinate, which is chemically very similar to the venom found in a yellowjacket bee sting. This is why both produce soreness...I think you got better results from the Omna do to the approximate 8 day half life of the final ester. (Cap)

 

[scott825]

Thats funny! I got flamed for saying that the 2 were not exactly identical a couple of months ago..

 

[brama]

that is a good question.

I think alot of people want to do Sust because it has 4 test's in it, so people think it's 4 times as strong.

just a thought

maybe not~ i think they like it for longevity and the self tapering qualities, used at 500mg wk it does produce consistent gains all around.

 

[trial0r]

i get less bloat from sust.

 

[MadMachine]

I think the drugs length of activity is more of a problem then anything...

Example, what if you begin to develope gyno and have no anti-E's around? You can't do shit about it, because the deconate ester will be around for 3-4 weeks at least.

Second Example, the ester with the most test. attached to it, is the ester with he longest half life, so you have to wait 3-5 weeks before it even breaks free from the first injection. So why wait all that time to get the test? Why not use something that you can more easily predict and get results from?

As far as self tapering...it would make sense if you were to use one amp every two weeks along with your regular weekly test dosage of a shorter acting compound, but the idea of tapering has it's critics and it's fans, so we won't even touch that point (it's just asking for flames and arguements from both sides.)

Any more opinions?

(BTW, why would CHL shit his pants? Does he start big arguements over this? If so, I think we should all chip in a few bucks and get him some medical reference materials, and save the board space for more productive posts and less fighting.)

 

[MadMachine]

I'll give it one more bump to try to stimulate some more responses.

 

[GaryWary]

I know the arguments – that different time-releasing esters are not necessary in a body builder because he wants x amount per week… not a fancy bit of maths regarding half-lives of 4 esters…

But in my case – I can get sust cheap – about $6 so, I buy it………..

 

[chrome]

coolhandluke might shit himself

aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
is it so hard for you guys to search the archives? there have been hundereds of omna posts by me alone!!!!!


chrome (aka coolhand)

 

[chrome]

Madmachine-


If you would have taken the time to look at a box of omnas or at least search the archives for a post about omnas you would see that they are the same as sustanon.

4 years ago the formula was different, the last ester was hexanoate. This was the only difference between omnas and sust. isohexanoate is another name for isocaproate.

now go get yourself some medical reference materials and tell me what caprinicium is (the last ester on the 'new' omnas which have been around for quite a while).

CAPRINICIUM=CAPRINIC ACID=DECANOATE


all this info can be found on the internet; i suggest you stop reading some outdated profiles about omna on some dumbass bb sites and use your head.

 

[The Iron Game]

Hey Chrome good to see ya, especially in this thread

 

[Yellowbomber]

I get very cheap Enanathe so that why pay more for?

 

[The Iron Game]

Please look up the meanings for the esters in a Medical Drug Reference Guide. No flames, just asking that someone does this before saying this again!

(Not suggesting you're lazy, because some people use the boards as their only source of knowledge, but I just wish someone would read a book instead of things people hear from people, that hear from people, that their supplier who stands to make money from the lie told them.)

Time to eat some words

 

[AnabolicAgent]

Yea, some word eating is in order here.

 

[Ulter]

I thought the reason people used sust was because it is cheaper than single ester test. Testoviron is $6 on most good lists and sust is $5. So as far as I have seen on the world market, sust is the bargain.
Sust is great for women body builders. I don't see the attaction for men.

 

[MadMachine]

Madmachine-

If you would have taken the time to look at a box of omnas or at least search the archives for a post about omnas you would see that they are the same as sustanon.

<<<I got that information off the box, but thanks for the tip>>>

4 years ago the formula was different, the last ester was hexanoate.

<<<I gave a list of esters for both versions...not like I didn't know this>>>

This was the only difference between omnas and sust. isohexanoate is another name for isocaproate.

<<<Thanks for proving my point about hexanoate and caproate, with guys like you, I don't have to worry about arguements.>>>

now go get yourself some medical reference materials and tell me what caprinicium is (the last ester on the 'new' omnas which have been around for quite a while).

CAPRINICIUM=CAPRINIC ACID=DECANOATE

<<<Maybe you have trouble reading???>>>

all this info can be found on the internet; i suggest you stop reading some outdated profiles about omna on some dumbass bb sites and use your head.

<<<Once again thanks for the tip, but if you will notice, older profiles use the old formula, I use the new formula, and my points are still valid. In fact, you helped prove this above.>>>

I'm sure glad coolhandluke, or chrome, doesn't have anything to gain by telling people sustanon and omnadren are exactly the same.

 

[chrome]

I have posted this before, will post it again...

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No, they are not [the same], that is the very common misconception. Here is what the total breakdown is:

Sustanon class drugs. Produced by Organon.

Sustanon '100'
20 mgs propinate
40 mgs phenylpropinate
40 mgs isocaproate
100mgs per mL, single glass ampule, rarely seen.

Sustanon '250'
30 mgs propinate
60 mgs phenylpropinate
60 mgs isocaproate
100 mgs decanoate
250mgs per mL, single glass ampule, common.

Omnadren class drugs. Produced by Polfa PL or now Jelfa PL.

Old Omnadren
20 mgs propinate
60 mgs phenylpropinate
60 mgs isohexanoate
100 mgs hexanoate
250mgs per mL, single glass ampule, rare.
Red or black ink on glass, ink rubs off easily.

New Omnadren
30 mgs propinate
60 mgs phenylpropinate
60 mgs isocaproate
100 mgs caproate
250mgs per mL, single glass ampule, common.
Paper label ampule, currently has black ink.

Hopefully that will clear up any misconceptions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Search for omnadren 250 results, it has 14 replies. That is where I originally posted this.

caproate is actually a shorter ester than enanthate
-That means a shorter release time-
Enanthate is much shorter then deconate
-That means a shorter release time-

*So if caproate is shorter (faster acting) than enanthate, which is shorter (Faster acting) than deconate... why are people still saying they are the same?



quote:
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Education goes a long way...don't let ignorance be an excuse.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

[chrome]

I have posted this before, will post it again...

----------------------------------------------------------------------
No, they are not [the same], that is the very common misconception. Here is what the total breakdown is:

Sustanon class drugs. Produced by Organon.

Sustanon '100'
20 mgs propinate
40 mgs phenylpropinate
40 mgs isocaproate
100mgs per mL, single glass ampule, rarely seen.

Sustanon '250'
30 mgs propinate
60 mgs phenylpropinate
60 mgs isocaproate
100 mgs decanoate
250mgs per mL, single glass ampule, common.

Omnadren class drugs. Produced by Polfa PL or now Jelfa PL.

Old Omnadren
20 mgs propinate
60 mgs phenylpropinate
60 mgs isohexanoate
100 mgs hexanoate
250mgs per mL, single glass ampule, rare.
Red or black ink on glass, ink rubs off easily.

New Omnadren
30 mgs propinate
60 mgs phenylpropinate
60 mgs isocaproate
100 mgs caproate
250mgs per mL, single glass ampule, common.
Paper label ampule, currently has black ink.

Hopefully that will clear up any misconceptions.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Search for omnadren 250 results, it has 14 replies. That is where I originally posted this.

caproate is actually a shorter ester than enanthate
-That means a shorter release time-
Enanthate is much shorter then deconate
-That means a shorter release time-

*So if caproate is shorter (faster acting) than enanthate, which is shorter (Faster acting) than deconate... why are people still saying they are the same?



quote:
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Education goes a long way...don't let ignorance be an excuse.
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ok, you still dont get it do you? caproate is hexanoate. its not in the new formula. there is a differnce between caprOnicium (hex) and caprinicium (dec).

 

[animal B]

sos in my opinion is over prices and a waste of money..
important to know is to use a product that has a fast acting and slow acting ester....so I find using prop mixed with cypinate yields the best results..like the cypro product..or mix your own

 

[nandroloner]

I have posted this before, will post it again...

Old Omnadren
20 mgs propinate
60 mgs phenylpropinate
60 mgs isohexanoate
100 mgs hexanoate
250mgs per mL, single glass ampule, rare.

quote:
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Education goes a long way...don't let ignorance be an excuse.
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I hate to tell you this, bro, but 100+60+60+20 don't equal 250.

Better change that quote.....

 

[thesuperstar]

sust for $6? damn, i need to take a vacation.

 

[DocJ]

sust for $6? damn, i need to take a vacation.

Why? you can get that mail order, no problem

 

[DocJ]

I hate to tell you this, bro, but 100+60+60+20 don't equal 250.

Better change that quote.....

 

[MadMachine]

ok, you still dont get it do you? caproate is hexanoate. its not in the new formula. there is a differnce between caprOnicium (hex) and caprinicium (dec).

Hummmm, I'd have to say, if you honestly don't think Hexanoate/Caproate is in the new formula that you need to look into the matter a little more....
All the information I have about the "New formula" says that Caproate in the final ester. This being the case... you have now confirmed there is a diference between them. Secondly, you confirmed it even more directly beforehand by saying,

isohexanoate is another name for isocaproate.

So, here is my question... if Caproate is the last ester in the "New Formula" (which it is, and if it isn't, please enlighten us as too what is with some type of documentation), why are you even attempting to prolong this arguement?

 

[MadMachine]

Coolhandluke....errr, chrome, lets sum up what you've had to say.

Originally posted by chrome
isohexanoate is another name for isocaproate

Rock on, in total agreement!

Originally posted by chrome
tell me what caprinicium is (the last ester on the 'new' omnas which have been around for quite a while).
CAPRINICIUM=CAPRINIC ACID=DECANOATE

Caprinicium is NOT the last ester cheif. Other than that, I agree, but this has nothing to do with Omnadren, new or old formula.

Originally posted by chrome
caproate is hexanoate. its not in the new formula. there is a differnce between caprOnicium (hex) and caprinicium (dec).

Thanks, that's exactly what I'm saying!!!

Basicly, I think your confusion comes in on being under the impression that either...

1- Caproate is Caprinicium

or

2- Caprinicium is the last ester of omnadren

Neither of which are correct. That being the case, your arguement doesn't hold water, so how about if we stop the stupid flame shit, and move on with our lives? The formula was "Changed" from Hex to Capro about four years ago, not Hex to Capri. Unless you have some documentation stating otherwise...I don't know what to tell you.

People can pick up copies of anabolics 2000 and most other RECENT or NEW anabolic reference manuals and find this out for themselves.

 

[TheBone]

The best price i saw for sust was 13 per amp, but i'm in canada, so i guess that's as good as it gets eh?

 

[NinjaX]

i got omna at 10 an amp

 

[TheBone]

i got omna at 10 an amp

In canada?

 

[MadMachine]

Just giving this a quick bump for my buddy Chrome.

 

[chrome]

MM- i didnt read all of you reply cause im in a hurry, let me know if i left something out.

1) isohexanoate= isocaproate, so indeed the 3rd ester in omnas has always been the same, just with a different name.

2) the last ester is caprinicium (caprinic acid= decanoate)
despite what all your info says. i would gladly send you a box and you can read for yourself. im in poland and i buy from jelfa.

email me.

 

[chrome]

one more thing caproate (capronicium - with an O!) is not the last ester in omnas, it used to be. and it is hexanoate. i never said that its caprinicium, which is the last ester nowadays and is decanoate.

 

[chrome]

got this from the ester artilce:

Decanoate: Chemical Structure C10H20O2. Also referred to as decanoic acid; capric acid; caprinic acid; decylic acid, Nonanecarboxylic acid. The Decanoate ester is most commonly used with the hormone nandrolone (as in Deca-Durabolin) and is found in virtually all corners of the world. Testosterone decanoate is also the longest acting constituent in Sustanon, greatly extending its release duration. The release time with Decanoate compounds is listed to be as long as one month, although most recently we are finding that levels seem to drop significantly after two weeks. To keep blood levels more uniform, athletes (as they have always known to do) will follow a weekly injection schedule.

Caproate: Chemical Structure C6H12O2. Also referred to as Hexanoic acid; hexanoate; n-Caproic Acid; n-Hexoic acid; butylacetic acid; pentiformic acid; pentylformic acid; n-hexylic acid; 1-pentanecarboxylic acid; hexoic acid; 1-hexanoic acid; Hexylic acid; Caproic acid. This ester is identical to isocarpoate in terms of atom count and weight, but is laid out slightly different (Isocaproate has a split configuration, difficult to explain here but easy to see on paper). Release duration would be very similar to isocaproate (levels sustained for approximately one weak), perhaps coming slightly closer to enanthate due to its straight chain. Caproate is (WAS) the slowest releasing ester used in Omnadren, which is why most athletes notice more water retention with this compound.

 

[chrome]

bump

 

[HappyScrappy]

if you want me to I can scan the box (although my scanner is still in my other apt.) - but I have a pink omna jelfa right here in front of me (have been doing an amp a day for a couple weeks now and will do so until I run out, then hit the EQ).

on the back of the box it says:
SKLAD:
Testosteronum propionicum 0,03
Testosteronum phenylpropionicum 0,06
Testosteronum isocapronicum 0,06
Testosteronum caprinicum 0,1
Alcohol benzylicus 0,05
Olem Arachidis pro injectione ad 1ml

then here is what you wrote MM:

30 mgs propinate
60 mgs phenylpropinate
60 mgs isocaproate
100 mgs caproate


to me, it looks like the last one - the 100mgs one, is wrong on your end.

 

[1abbig]

HappyScrappy, your correct the NEW omna 250 are the same as sus250. you have the same omna's i have and have been getting for a while now. people should research before they speak. jelfa finally updated their webiste as well. here is the link

http://www.jelfa.com.pl/produkty/lekarz/h007.html

 

[bouncer]

There's been enough said regarding the different esters in Sust/Onma-V-Enanth. so I won't go into that again here.
But it beat's the shite out of me when some of you guys go gettings your knicker's in a twist over fast acting and slow acting ester's, when in most of your "look at my cycle" posts you have so little prop going into your body per day/week that it would mean nothing not to have it at all. Then in your cycles your stacking with D/Ball or sometime's Anapolon with the idea that the orals are kicking while the testo is loading. So why concern yourself with Susta/Onma if the reason is the prop.
At the end of the day I use Testoviron Depot everytime because I can use massive amounts without any injection site pain and always get massive gains with very very few side effects.
Regards
Bouncer

 

[chrome]

HappyScrappy, your correct the NEW omna 250 are the same as sus250. you have the same omna's i have and have been getting for a while now. people should research before they speak. jelfa finally updated their webiste as well. here is the link

http://www.jelfa.com.pl/produkty/lekarz/h007.html

1abBIG- actually on the new website they fucked it up, and gave the old formula, i called them a few months ago and tehy confirmed that it was the translators mistake but aparently its not a priority to fix it quickly....