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Why do we have Indian reservations?
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Grumpy Old Man
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Well seems reasonable since they are the only real Americans here in the US or Canada for that matter.
Now what we need to do is keep the messikans someplace where they can breed in peace and still commute to mow my lawn.
Now what we need to do is keep the messikans someplace where they can breed in peace and still commute to mow my lawn.
California?
~Because the United States government is in breach of a shitload of treaties which give tribes back their ancestral lands....so, as concilation, they graciously set up *reserves* convinced that Indians prefer the company of wasteland rather than gold-filled hills and agrarian paradises.
digimon7068
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umm. . .i believe it's so we can have casino's in place where gambling isn't otherwise legal.
also, unlike the land that my family and i "own", there's actually "belongs" to them. . .doesn't matter who dies, that land belongs to their "nation".
watch it pops.
digimon7068
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the injuns got the last laugh. . .they built casinos and now they're building hills out of gold. . .
A lot of the Native Americans in OK were displaced Cherokee from Georgia and Tennessee. Well, the ones who survived the Trail of Tears, anyway.
myway
Banned
Yea, they were trying to explain it all to me. I thought it all sounded kinda neat-o. The guy who adopted my brother works at social services for the Choctaw nation.
Honestly, wish I knew more about it all.
The east coast Native Americans are probably the best documented, tons of verifiable information out there.
My great x5 grandfather was married to a Cherokee woman ... while he was married to his white wife. He was having children by both women at the same time. When his Cherokee family was sent to OK he went with them, leaving the white family in Georgia. I'm descended from the Georgia branch of the family.
chris302001
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Shannon County, SD is a shit hole...
Edit: Well parts of it are pretty, but poverty doesnt get any worse.
Edit: Well parts of it are pretty, but poverty doesnt get any worse.
And to think a mere 50 miles to the west is a lode of 1.2 million acres they are entitled to.
I agree, the Badlands have a unique beauty all it's own.
So I guess that sux for you that you cant check the "native american" box and get preferential treatment by the goobermint.
chris302001
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Perhaps.... I cant remember, but for some reason I'm getting the feeling that you've been in the area before. If so were you just passing through/visiting? I'm getting a weird sense of deja vue...
lol, I lived in the Black Hills for 13 years. I'm a squatter.
That is the biggest fucking myth out there. My husband is certified, card carrying 50% Native American. You know what the big "preferential treatment" is? If he wants to live on a reservation, he's guaranteed 1 acre of land, that's FUCKING IT.
Being Native American gives you these rights over "regular people":
1. You get 1 acre of reservation land, but you MUST build a house on it, you can't camp on it, you can't use it as vacation property. And if you die and your spouse is not native amer. they get thrown off the land unless tribal counsel votes otherwise.
2. You have the right to kill any kind of animal, at any time of the year, no license required, no limits.
3. You are the only people entitled to own Bald Eagle feathers.
4. You can own/use Peyote legally, if it is part of your religious purposes (and that's not everywhere).
As you can see, being Native American entitles you to many, many priveleges that are not open to whites ... as long as you spend your time living on a reservation, off the land.
The whole schooling/education thing? Yeah, that's bullshit. Health care? Horse shit unless you're on welfare. And since most reservations are in the bumfuck part of any state, there's no work there, so you either live on welfare, on the reservation, or you leave the reservation, and move away fromn your culture, which doesn't really exist anyway so what's the fucking difference?
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shrimp poboy
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Dont forget to ad that for every child that is born a check is cut to that mother every month last i heard about 60k a year per indian
Really? What tribe? And that's what, 60,000 beads worth of wampum? Because the last reservation I traveled across was more poverty stricken than the worst section of city projects I ever saw.
Native Americans, as a group, are an enormous embarassment to the US government and the faster they become diluted and cease to exist the better. It should happen within the next few generations.
The US government succeeded where Hitler failed, they successfully committed genocide.
Please much like everyone else in north america they have ample oppertunity to make the best for themselves. Most choose to take the easy way out live in the cycle of poverty and drugs/alcohol abuse. If you ever look into native bursaries there is tons not to mention the tax breaks etc. It is like anything in life if you grew up in a ghetto you can choose to better yourself or stay stuck. I have many relatives that would qualify for there status but choose not to suck off the system even though they pay into it. I know of some friends that have used there status to there advantage and don't fault them in the least either. I only know what is true for Canada for the US I have no idea what they can or can not recieve.
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shrimp poboy
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That was seminole tribe in florida
I am to lazy to go through all the benifts but a big one here is tax breaks Indian Status I woud take full advantage of that if I qualified no doubt about it. A friend of mine who has his native status so does his brother anyways his brother works on a reserve as a cop makes 75K a year plus over time tax free with his status.
In my observation, your friend is the exception, not the rule. Additionally, you are Canadian. I hate to state the obvious, but there's a big difference between the way Canada treats its people in general versus the way the US does.
Actually, my husband is a member of a Canadian Mohawk tribe, it's one of our retirement options if his 401K and pension evaporate the way I think they will, but not high on our list as we both truly fucking hate the cold.
Razorguns
Well-known member
As musclemom posted above, the benefits are a 'joke'. how about the benefit of not living in poverty, high crime, 90% unemploynment rate, 75% high school dropout, and high suicide rate?
Reservations were designed to eventually eliminate natives, and it's doing a good job actually.
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ITs easy to be judgmental and point fingers. I am sure many posters on this site live in their own world of appathy as well. I can say that Indians have been one of the most oppressed cultures in US history. Try to think of what life would be like living in a cycle of depression etc. It doesnt give anyone an excuse but there are reasons for behaviors, attitudes etc.
...and my wife is Native American.
...and my wife is Native American.
stosstruppe
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Why should they be entitled to shit anyway. Last wave of (European) immigrants took it by force fair and square.
LOL if you hate the cold brace yourself but it is awesome and I love it here and you are very correct Canada's treatment of native people is for sure much better then the US.
Your wife is a perfect example of rising above IMO she has become rather sucessful in life. I didn't mean to come off as not giving a crap about the people I just have a problem with anyone allows themselves to live in self pitty and not do anything about there life we have the power to better ourselves I believe in that very strongly.
No its ok. She would say that her culture disappoints her. You can only use so many excuses before you decide to break the dysfunction chain. My take is the dysfunction has almost become hereditary due to years and years of oppression and self abuse.
You know, here's the thing that I'd like anyone who feels that Native Americans don't need to live in poverty on reservations, that they can rise above this, move up and move, to think about:
THAT IS ALL THEY HAVE LEFT OF THEIR COMMUNITY AND CULTURE, PERIOD.
I can think of no other people on this planet, no matter how horrendously treated, in recent history (last 300 or so years) having been so thoroughly and completely stripped of their cultural identity.
Not only were Native Americans moved off their ancestral lands, they were forbidden to follow their cultural and spiritual practices. After they were moved to reservations (which were frequently climatically the diametric opposite of where these people had always lived) their children were taken away and taught to be "white." Once the children were completely indoctrinated they were then returned to their parents, having been brainwashed into thinking their culture and people were shit.
You ask more than 95% of people who have at least 1/4 Native American blood in their veins what it means to be Native American, they'll shrug and go "I dunno." They have no culture, they have no traditions, they don't know the names of their gods, they don't know they holidays or rituals. And there are people who truly, deeply miss that. They feel they have no connection, no roots. They yearn for it, and it's an emptiness that will never be completely satisfied. If they stay on the reservation, no matter how oppressive it can be (at least in the US) at least they can go for a walk around their neighborhood and see other people that look like them, they can get together with someone who knows the old songs, or can still speak the language.
THAT IS ALL THEY HAVE LEFT OF THEIR COMMUNITY AND CULTURE, PERIOD.
I can think of no other people on this planet, no matter how horrendously treated, in recent history (last 300 or so years) having been so thoroughly and completely stripped of their cultural identity.
Not only were Native Americans moved off their ancestral lands, they were forbidden to follow their cultural and spiritual practices. After they were moved to reservations (which were frequently climatically the diametric opposite of where these people had always lived) their children were taken away and taught to be "white." Once the children were completely indoctrinated they were then returned to their parents, having been brainwashed into thinking their culture and people were shit.
You ask more than 95% of people who have at least 1/4 Native American blood in their veins what it means to be Native American, they'll shrug and go "I dunno." They have no culture, they have no traditions, they don't know the names of their gods, they don't know they holidays or rituals. And there are people who truly, deeply miss that. They feel they have no connection, no roots. They yearn for it, and it's an emptiness that will never be completely satisfied. If they stay on the reservation, no matter how oppressive it can be (at least in the US) at least they can go for a walk around their neighborhood and see other people that look like them, they can get together with someone who knows the old songs, or can still speak the language.
It appears that you are very badly misinformed.
Casino owning american indians make up a tiny tiny perecentage. And the gap between them and the majority is HUGE. RG is right...most reservations resemble third world countries.
digimon7068
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nah. . .i'm not. . .i've seen the "other side" with my own eyes too. . .it's definitely "rough", to put it mildly. . .but a lot of the problems. . .drug abuse, alcoholism, domestic violence, etc. . .are "learned" behaviors that have been handed down from generation-to-generation and those undesireable hand-me-downs add fuel to the fire that keeps many of them in poverty in the first place. . .i have no solutions. . .only observations. . .
walliwalibus
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Oh yeah, they respect the Natives so much they dug up the grave sites of who knows how many. But the natives entered the land they once leased out with guns, and kicked everyone out. Still some places sit empty. But what great respect. That isn't a small oops in the natives eye's.
i love you QT but you are naive and hating a bit here.
The innuit tribe in northern kanada was treated real awesome, allowed to starve themselves out in the 20th century while canadaian officals sat back and watched. notorious modern history and you don't even know about it
Thing is, even if you don't believe a conquered nation deserves any conciliatory restitution, the US government entered into legal contracts with many Inidan Tribes after the fact, wherein lands (which were annexed by the US) were given back to the tribes. Contemporary courts have even held the US government in breach.
The biggest source of contention are the awards, most specifically with the Treaty of Laramie breach: the Government was ordered to pay a specific amount, plus adjusted interest, in escrow, the Souix have refused the payment and demanded to be be made whole again...which I thought was the basis of any civil suit. They've never sought to recover more than was promised and agreed on.
The biggest source of contention are the awards, most specifically with the Treaty of Laramie breach: the Government was ordered to pay a specific amount, plus adjusted interest, in escrow, the Souix have refused the payment and demanded to be be made whole again...which I thought was the basis of any civil suit. They've never sought to recover more than was promised and agreed on.
Treaty of Laramie said:
You know what's a real joke? The Native American Museum in Washington, D.C.
Razorguns
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i love you QT but you are naive and hating a bit here.
The innuit tribe in northern kanada was treated real awesome, allowed to starve themselves out in the 20th century while canadaian officals sat back and watched. notorious modern history and you don't even know about it
Canada treats indians real well. Higher crime, suicide rate, 80% unemployment, OKA crisis, Corwnall Border dispute, Caledonia crisis, Water Problems in Northern Ontario, Canadian. guy kills 19 native prostitutes and buries them, no casinos near canadian cities, great treatment there! lol.
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