Why do so many Americans have this grin attitude to the EU?

[randk]

whats an EU?
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[Robert Jan]

Bor you are missing the point completely I said entitlements, not welfare. You are thinking fat lazy bastards collecting a check to sit on their ass, and Im talking systemeatic health and financial entitlements for the retired.

thats exactly what i was talking about

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Matt

Your "lack of conitnuity" theory is an obfuscation. Your premise is incorrect. It doesnt signify , nor does the meaning signify, continuity. It accurately represents a moral evolution from basis to Christian form. This really isnt debatable. You may object to some perceived slight in the term, that I could more readily understand. But to object to the term itself as incoherent is simply grasping to validate ones opinion.

if you believe there was a moral evolution, you believe the mythology surrounding the creation of Christianity. Hence Judaism lite.

I fear we are now talking past each other. Moral evolution? Are you serious?

With respect to your "death cult " theory. Im Catholic, and it is Catholic belief that the natural law is imprinted on the soul of man. We know right from wrong, because we were created with that ability. Your pagan morality theory is irrelevant, and actually consistent, with my beliefs.

It is also the Catholic / Christian belief that you have to worship a Jew who died 2000 years ago to avoid eternal damnation; despite this person who is worshipped never speaking of eternal damnation.

I was raised Catholic too. It is all about death and the afterlife. Every Sunday, God's judgment (Protestants do it too, the "elect", etc, they might be worse)...as if ALL of this life is preparation for some other life.


That is the very definition of a cult of death.


And what a control mechanism too, right Constantine?

Now if you want to examine after life theories, then I suggest you reeaxamine your facts. While the afterlife isnt a central point of concern in the jewish faith, it is a part of the faith, albeit in a far less defined way that in Christianity.

I understand the differences quite well. Some sects of Jews do consider and afterlife, or a time when the righteous will be resurrected, many do not. it is, as you said, not a critical teaching.

So if you wish to make some pointless suggestion that Christians are somehow "obsessed" with death, then it only serves to further evidence your own myopic and self serving point of view. We don't strive to die, as you would suggest. We strive to live in such a way that is pleasing to our Creator, and consistent with His covenant with us.

Not because it furthers mankind; these decisions are reinforced against the backdrop of damnation, according to Christianity (and Islam).

There is no reason for a belief system like Christianty (or Islam, or even Buddhism with its nirvana garbage) to further mankind. All of this life is a preparation for the next; there is no "link" among generations; the link is to the afterlife.

Again, the definition of a cult of death.

Now the Dark Ages as you call them. How are they in any manner related to the Church? It would be like blaming Christianity for the susbequent chaos which would follow the fall of our own government. Ad Hoc ergo proctor hoc. Its a logical fallacy

Seven centuries of subsequent chaos?

And apparently you wish to make this thread into a deliberation of all your historical inaccuracies. Hitler and the nazis were not a Christian friendly belief system.

Among Hitler's heroes was Martin Luther. Come again? Hitler himself was Catholic and encouraged Catholics to join the SS.

Moreover your allusion to Church complicity somehow in what occured again demonstrates a great deal of histroical ignorance.

No it doesn't. My ancestors are Germans, all the men were in th german army, a few in the SS. My grandmother (mom's mom) and her sister got out, they will tell you all day long about local priests literally assisting in rounding up Jews, especially in Poland, where it was my grandmother's job to teach little Polish girls to sing Nazi songs after the Germans invaded.

My grandmother has two distinct memories of that time: (1) being spat on by Polish girls and (2) close priestly interaction with the entire nazi operation.

This was not typical of all Catholics, for example, Italian Catholics actually protected Jews and made some effort to protest the Nazis.

Those who opposed it - much has been made of them. They are a tiny minority

The Church was not only the strongest voice in opposition to the nazis, it was almost the singular voice in opposition.

See above. This is ridiculously untrue. I know people who were there. In Germany.

Ironically enough it was Einstein who when recalling the time stated (paraphrased) that he had always imagined it would be the intellectual elites (your human secularists) who would have risen up in opposition to the nazis. Instead they stayed silent. In the converse it was the Catholic Church, for whom he had never had any particular appreciation, who uniquely and consistently spoke out against the nazis,, often to their own peril

Dont rewritre history for me on that score my friend. All the malicious propaganda you parrot is an injustice to the many tens of thousand of religious who died in opposition to those butchers.

i am no secualr humanist bor. Believe me on that.


The church embraced Hitler, as he was the ally in Germany that they had lacked since von Bismarck. The church had a link to modern day Germany since Constantine built his northern palace at Trier. Luther weakened it, von Bismarck severed it. Hitler restored it.

The church even performed for Hitler a ceremony it had performed only twice in its entire history to that point: a revealing of the so-called "seamless robe" of Jesus. This cloth is purported to be the cloth jesus was crucified in (not the "shroud of Turin".)

This is the extent to which the Church went to re-strengthen its historically strong ties to germany. (To the chagrin of the church, Hitler sent an emissary.)

We're sort of hijacking the thread. But it's a good one anyway.

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

bump for jerseyart; i enjoy your posts on this thread bor.

 

[jerseyart]

bump for jerseyart; i enjoy your posts on this thread bor.

Same here man. Ill repsond tonight. Post is long and the market is giving me headaches today