Why do so many Americans have this grin attitude to the EU?

[jerseyart]

1 What are the "fundamental flaws" in our system that we fail to recognise?

2 How is the EU a bunch of "weak and dying nations"?

3 What gives you the arrogance to judge a whole continent as nitwits?

4 The French of now are in fact not the same people as those in the 50s. People die.

Robert, you're young enough to imagine that everything old is new. Every young person imagines that all their elders are myopic and irrational. That if they only saw the wrold through your rose colored lenses things would be so much better than they are currently.

You view every new "innovation" in thought or ded as progress. What you fail to recognize, and the intellectual giants of Europe as well, is that it is all been there, done that.

Do you truly imagine that the secular humanist philosophies of western europe are somhow innovative and progressive. Do you really think that ere havent been millions upon millions of bright eyed geniuses who havent proposed and implemented the same "ideals" all throughout history. They only see unique for the simple reason that none of those societies thrived, and therefore their is no one around to sing their praises.

Matt addressed the "big three" with respecty to religions and pointed to them as the greatest burden on the world. The hisorical ignorance needed to reach such a conclusion is astounding. The very values and freedoms you enjoy at this moment are a direct result of the Judeo Christian moral philosophy which guided your law and culture. Religion in general, but as we our speaking of Europe, Christian culture specifically is what raised man to a position of singular importance. The inate value of the human being is itself a Christian concept.

The superstition you so readily dismiss as antiquated has been not only the uniting and stabilizing force of your culture, but its precepts have given you what success and dominance you have experienced.

Forget God. Lets not make this a religious discussion. Instead focus on the fact that those "sily rules" have proven to be the most efficient and successful way to guide and build a society. Western European Christian dominance existed not because Europeans were genetically superior, but because their foundation was superior, to those of the rest of the world. It nurtured your society, and is the direct impetus for you long term historical success. The same is true of the US.

What you abandon so foolishly is the very thing that has given you your prominence in the world. To be replaced by what? A secular humanist philosophy which promotes the relative insignificance of man, the poor dumb accident of nature, who is too stupid to be left to his own supervision. You trade actual compassion and mercy for a state sponsored benefactor which once again removes the indiviudal as the central focus, and replaces it with glorified "crowd appeasement."

You're dying. Your birth rates cannot even maintain a population neutral growth rate.. Your insane social policies require you to import tens of millions of workers from primarily islamic and indian backgrounds who guess what, dont share your advanced view of the world. They wil come, their families will come, and unlike you they will reproduce in abundance, cause their God tells them so. You will soon be a miniority sir on your own continent, and in your advanced age, will look back in puzzlement wondering where did it all go wrong.

 

[Robert Jan]

They have teeth like these.

thats like saying all americans are fat

or well except for that like

the fat thing is true

 

[Hengst]

I have no beef with the EU, but I think its going to go to shit when Turkey joins. And you know they will eventually.

As long as there are people like myself living here, Turkey will NEVER become a member of the European Union.

I'll fight it tooth and nail.

 

[Deleted member 33117]

Wodin and Jersey Art both made excellent points, nothing else for me to say here...interesting thread though.

 

[gregory]

Jersey.


You're right in what you write. But you have to realise that the Cristian concept of the individual is also the concept that forbids racism and segregation. This ideal is partially what's responsible for the allowing of the foreign people to enter and thrive in European and American Christian based societies. Sure they dont share our views but in time it is hoped that they will. We just can't stop educating and in effect "pushing" our ideals like we did in the past because we're becoming complacent.

 

[jerseyart]

Jersey.


You're right in what you write. But you have to realise that the Cristian concept of the individual is also the concept that forbids racism and segregation. This ideal is partially what's responsible for the allowing of the foreign people to enter and thrive in European and American Christian based societies. Sure they dont share our views but in time it is hoped that they will. We just can't stop educating and in effect "pushing" our ideals like we did in the past because we're becoming complacent.

Greg, I understand your point, but the wholesale immigration prevents that possibility. Because they have allowed their enlightened views to so incredibly deteriorate their collective society, they no longer have the luxury of limited immigration in a way that would lead to successful integration into the current culture.

Within three generations tops they will effectively have been supplanted. And coming from a Euro background myself, it isn't an eventuality I relish

 

[jh1]

I think the EU is swell.

Feel better?

 

[MattTheSkywalker]

Matt addressed the "big three" with respecty to religions and pointed to them as the greatest burden on the world. The hisorical ignorance needed to reach such a conclusion is astounding. The very values and freedoms you enjoy at this moment are a direct result of the Judeo Christian moral philosophy which guided your law and culture.

I can dispute this statement all day - maybe we need our own thread.

I'll start here:

There is no such thing as "Judeo - Christian". it is used by the uninformed mainstream to express some sort of continuity of beliefs that does not exist.

Look at the creation of Christianity (and Islam); these were not created to further human values. it is incorrect to think the belief systems which brought us the Crusades, the dark ages of Europe, etc. actually valued human life. These belief systems (Judaism excepted) are cults of death.

Only the weakening of these belief systems, particualry on the British Isles, brought us values. Islam still hasn;t weakened enough.

That paragraph you wrote is strange.

You're dying. Your birth rates cannot even maintain a population neutral growth rate.. Your insane social policies require you to import tens of millions of workers from primarily islamic and indian backgrounds who guess what, dont share your advanced view of the world. They wil come, their families will come, and unlike you they will reproduce in abundance, cause their God tells them so. You will soon be a miniority sir on your own continent, and in your advanced age, will look back in puzzlement wondering where did it all go wrong.

This is a great paragraph.

 

[jerseyart]

There is no such thing as "Judeo - Christian". it is used by the uninformed mainstream to express some sort of continuity of beliefs that does not exist.

Not to bust chops, but if they were readily interchangeable, then there would be no need to refer to them as Judeo Christian. Either or would be sufficient. It is the fact that they arent which necessitates the double identification. It shows a basis and progression, and is an entirely appropriate description.

Look at the creation of Christianity (and Islam); these were not created to further human values. it is incorrect to think the belief systems which brought us the Crusades, the dark ages of Europe, etc. actually valued human life. These belief systems (Judaism excepted) are cults of death.

I'll put the "cult of death" hyperbole aside. Add up the sum total of all those killed in alleged "religious wars" (which if you ever bothered studying the crusades at anything above a cursory level you would be ashamed to refer to them as such) and they dont come close to equaling the deaths and deprivation inflicted by the secualr humanists in the 20th century alone. Yeah, there is a worthy substitute

Only the weakening of these belief systems, particualry on the British Isles, brought us values. Islam still hasn;t weakened enough.

Lol do you have any basis whasoever for such an outlandish statement?

 

[bluepeter]

As if morality didn't exist prior to the various Abrahamic faiths.