Why do I see people flaming newbie who want to do a winny only cycle for the there first time?

[snakeryu]

Why do some criticize first time user for using a winny cycle only? First of all its there first time so they will definitely see results while on it but that really depends on there calorie consumption. Second it will help them get a concept of how an AAS work.

I did a winny cycle alone first time ran it for 10 weeks at 100EOD which I know is too long but I'm happy with the results.



The reason why I and believe some others chose this only cycle to begin with was because:
1.There cheap
2. no estrogenic activity so no worry for gyno
3. The lbs of muscle that you gain you keep
4. they make you look and feel more vascular
5. strength increase

 

[the_alcatraz]

two reasons off the top of my head:

1- a newbie should know a lot about aas and pct before they decide to take a cycle
2- winny is not a good choice for a first cycle

 

[bw1]

Winstrol is a poor choice. It is VERY harsh on the joints first and foremost. Secondly,
Instead of using winstrol, as you want lean mass and only want orals - I would use Anavar - it is expensive but has all the cosmetic advantages of winstrol with none of the joint problems, and less hair loss. Winstrol is very harsh on the hair.
Winstrol for over 6 weeks can cause alot of aches and pains in most people, there are exceptions of course. But for the majority of people damage to joints caused by malformed collagen is not worth the risk with so many other alternatives. As you get older you realise that your joints are the number one thing to look after if you want to train and cycle smart. All the steroids in the world wont make you look good if your knees and shoulders are too busted to train effectively and do cardio.

More than 6 weeks on 50mg is a strain on the liver.

 

[ironcheif1984]

Winstol is going to give great strength gains for one and add that to someone who has never done a cycle before and is not used to pushing very heavy weight to their joints and tendons and with winstrol that is tearing up your joints anyways and you have a steroid that is not a good choice for a first cycle.

 

[snakeryu]

Re: Why do I see people flaming newbie who want to do a winny only cycle for the ther

I understand PCT is very important and doing research before trying aas. What I didn't take account is joint problem, I do agree with you on that. Your right about doing anavar instead its the upgraded version of winstrol. What I really wanted to point out is that you can still make gains not much but atleast 5 to 8 pounds from using winny alone for first time and yes including pct.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

I ran Var for my first cycle, worked pretty well, no sides, good energy and strength, worked wel lfor a bodycomp shift, obviously not a great choice for SIZE, but a good boost none the less.

-Legacy

 

[the_alcatraz]

+1

I would also consider giving n00bs advice to use test only for their first cycle.....pref. test prop.

Winstrol is a poor choice. It is VERY harsh on the joints first and foremost. Secondly,
Instead of using winstrol, as you want lean mass and only want orals - I would use Anavar - it is expensive but has all the cosmetic advantages of winstrol with none of the joint problems, and less hair loss. Winstrol is very harsh on the hair.
Winstrol for over 6 weeks can cause alot of aches and pains in most people, there are exceptions of course. But for the majority of people damage to joints caused by malformed collagen is not worth the risk with so many other alternatives. As you get older you realise that your joints are the number one thing to look after if you want to train and cycle smart. All the steroids in the world wont make you look good if your knees and shoulders are too busted to train effectively and do cardio.

More than 6 weeks on 50mg is a strain on the liver.

 

[nzrodney]

Winny is not a good choice as a stand alone AAS nor should it be used on a first cycle . Many ^^ have highlighted the reason behind this. It should always be stacked with other gear like test tren Eq & masteron to name a few that compliment its almost catabolic effects. Its very liver toxic & should be always run with liver protection sups. Its an intermediate or advanced users AAS IMO.

 

[snakeryu]

I was thinking of doing var for my next cycle how many mg did you run a week.

 

[the_alcatraz]

Winstol is going to give great strength gains for one and add that to someone who has never done a cycle before and is not used to pushing very heavy weight to their joints and tendons and with winstrol that is tearing up your joints anyways and you have a steroid that is not a good choice for a first cycle.

Bro, I like winstrol because it lowers SHBG, which would raise the amount of free testosterone in the body, and it's awesome when cutting, but it is hard on the joints and I really dnt think its that great for strength gains either....

there is a huge diff. in strength gained from winstrol when compared with dbols for example.