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Why are people jumping all over William Bennett?

75th said:
If he suggested aborting white kids born in the northwest to curb serial killers would anybody be upset?

Probably not...which is why I dont see anything wrong with what he said. Especially since he clearly did not advocate anything of the sort.

No but if I said "two wrongs don't make it right, but it damn sure makes it even" in terms revolting against "the man" , you'd probably call me racist.

This is the double standard that exists in Amrerica. You don't wanna hear black pather speeches about taking up arms against police brutality , but you'll try to say that blacks = increased crime. When I feel it's fact that the oppression is what created the crime in the first place...

Now I bet alot of people are going to start arguing with me
 
75th said:
If he suggested aborting white kids born in the northwest to curb serial killers would anybody be upset?

Probably not...which is why I dont see anything wrong with what he said. Especially since he clearly did not advocate anything of the sort.

Different situation since I'm not aware of any universal stereotype out there that identifies whites in the northwest to commonly be serial killers :) The reaction to a statement like that would probably be more along the line of 'wtf? where did that come from'.

He made the mistake of mixing something that was outlandish with what he seems to think is common knowledge, all blacks are inherently criminal. You can post whatever stats you want but there is nothing definitive anywhere that says out of kids brought up in the same circumstances and environment, one particular group are more likely to be drawn to crime. It's way more complicated than that. Some of it is obviously the attitude of some blacks that they are owed something. Some is the hopeless environment some of these poor kids are born into. Some of it is inherent racism etc. etc.

He gave what he deemed to be an appropriately ridiculous comparison but unfortunately boxed it with a stereotype he assumed everyone would understand because in his view, it was true. Some people don't understand generalizing an entire race thankfully.
 
bluepeter said:
Different situation since I'm not aware of any universal stereotype out there that identifies whites in the northwest to commonly be serial killers :) The reaction to a statement like that would probably be more along the line of 'wtf? where did that come from'.

He made the mistake of mixing something that was outlandish with what he seems to think is common knowledge, all blacks are inherently criminal. You can post whatever stats you want but there is nothing definitive anywhere that says out of kids brought up in the same circumstances and environment, one particular group are more likely to be drawn to crime. It's way more complicated than that. Some of it is obviously the attitude of some blacks that they are owed something. Some is the hopeless environment some of these poor kids are born into. Some of it is inherent racism etc. etc.

He gave what he deemed to be an appropriately ridiculous comparison but unfortunately boxed it with a stereotype he assumed everyone would understand because in his view, it was true. Some people don't understand generalizing an entire race thankfully.


I understand what youre saying, but I still dont see a problem with him saying it at all, considering it IS a statistical fact.

And yes, 75% of all serial killers are white males between the ages of 25-35, most of whom originate from either Washington or Oregon.
 
gjohnson5 said:
No but if I said "two wrongs don't make it right, but it damn sure makes it even" in terms revolting against "the man" , you'd probably call me racist.

This is the double standard that exists in Amrerica. You don't wanna hear black pather speeches about taking up arms against police brutality , but you'll try to say that blacks = increased crime. When I feel it's fact that the oppression is what created the crime in the first place...

Now I bet alot of people are going to start arguing with me

The only double standard is that anybody who points out the statistical fact that blacks generally commit more violent crime than any other ethnicity is deemed a racist.

Quoting statistical facts does not equal racism. It equals statistical facts.
 
bluepeter said:
He made the mistake of mixing something that was outlandish with what he seems to think is common knowledge, all blacks are inherently criminal. You can post whatever stats you want but there is nothing definitive anywhere that says out of kids brought up in the same circumstances and environment, one particular group are more likely to be drawn to crime. It's way more complicated than that. Some of it is obviously the attitude of some blacks that they are owed something. Some is the hopeless environment some of these poor kids are born into. Some of it is inherent racism etc. etc.

.

why are you introducing arguments into this that have nothing to do with it.

everyone including bill bennet would agree with you. you are right. there are a lot of circumstances that factor into being a criminal. and being black is not one of them. no one ever said it was.

tangent after tangent.

black people commit crimes.
if you abort them the crime rate will go down.

same thing can be said of any race, or gender, that is fact. just a simple conclusion. it jst so happens that percentage wise you will lower it more by aborting blacks. whoop di fucking do. get over it.

it has nothing to do with other factors. poor or whatever. just so happens that percentage wise, there are more poor criminals. whoopi di fucking do.

goodnight folks.
 
spongebob said:
why are you introducing arguments into this that have nothing to do with it.

everyone including bill bennet would agree with you. you are right. there are a lot of circumstances that factor into being a criminal. and being black is not one of them. no one ever said it was.

tangent after tangent.

black people commit crimes.
if you abort them the crime rate will go down.

same thing can be said of any race, or gender, that is fact. just a simple conclusion. it jst so happens that percentage wise you will lower it more by aborting blacks. whoop di fucking do. get over it.

it has nothing to do with other factors. poor or whatever. just so happens that percentage wise, there are more poor criminals. whoopi di fucking do.

goodnight folks.


Indeed.
 
spongebob said:
why are you introducing arguments into this that have nothing to do with it.

everyone including bill bennet would agree with you. you are right. there are a lot of circumstances that factor into being a criminal. and being black is not one of them. no one ever said it was.

tangent after tangent.

black people commit crimes.
if you abort them the crime rate will go down.

same thing can be said of any race, or gender, that is fact. just a simple conclusion. it jst so happens that percentage wise you will lower it more by aborting blacks. whoop di fucking do. get over it.

it has nothing to do with other factors. poor or whatever. just so happens that percentage wise, there are more poor criminals. whoopi di fucking do.

goodnight folks.


When you wake up in the morning , I want you to take those whoop di do's.
Ok spongebob and 75th... let's assume they are true. Now lets look at why they are true and you wil see why the issue is inflamatory and should not be seen as a small or slight thing
 
gjohnson5 said:
When you wake up in the morning , I want you to take those whoop di do's.
Ok spongebob and 75th... let's assume they are true. Now lets look at why they are true and you wil see why the issue is inflamatory and should not be seen as a small or slight thing

Why what is true? That blacks commit more violent crimes than whites? Well, I know youre planning to bring racism into this...and I know how you DESPISE facts...so here it is again:

Consider the data. A 2003 study of the racial impact of federal sentencing guidelines found that the imposition between 1986 and 2000 of stiffer penalties for drug offenders, especially cocaine traffickers, did not result in racially disparate sentences. The amount of the drug sold, the seriousness of the offender’s prior criminal history, whether weapons were involved, and other such valid characteristics of criminals and their crimes accounted for all the observed interracial variations in prison sentences.

Similarly, a 2001 RAND Corporation study of adult robbery and burglary defendants in 14 large U.S. cities found that a defendant’s race or ethnic group bore almost no relation to conviction rates, sentencing severity, or other key measures. In 1999, federal government statistician Patrick A. Langan analyzed data on 42,500 defendants in the nation’s 75 largest counties and found “no evidence that, in the places where blacks in the United States have most of their contacts with the justice system, that system treats them more harshly than whites.”

A 2001 study by Langan of black-white differentials in imprisonment rates demonstrated that “even if racism exists, it might explain only a small part of the gap between the 11 percent black representation in the United States adult population and the now nearly 50 percent black representation among persons entering state prisons each year in the United States.” An otherwise typically liberal-leaning 2003 National Academy of Sciences study voiced the same basic conclusion.

It is often asserted that the 1980s war on drugs resulted in a more racially “disproportionate” prison population. The data tell a different story. In 1980, 46.6 percent of state prisoners and 34.4 percent of federal prisoners were black; by 2000, 48.9 percent of state prisoners and 31.4 percent of federal prisoners were black. In 1999, the median time served in confinement by black violent offenders was 25 months, versus 24 months for their white counterparts. The mean sentence lengths were 116 months for blacks and 110 for whites, while the mean times actually served in confinement were 37 months for blacks, 33 months for whites. These small differences are explained by the fact that black violent crimes are generally more serious than white ones (aggravated rather than simple assaults, weapon-related crimes rather than weaponless ones).

Indeed, the evidence on the race-neutrality of incarceration decisions is now so compelling that even topflight criminologists who rail against the anti-drug regime, mandatory sentencing laws, three-strikes laws, and other policies with which they disagree are nonetheless careful to contend that racial biases are “built into the law,” are “America’s dirty little secret,” or constitute “malign neglect.” In other words, they do everything but challenge the proposition that blacks and whites who do the same crimes and have similar criminal records are now handled by the system in the same ways.

In this vein, liberal experts contend that the penalties for crack cocaine possession and sale are excessive compared with powder cocaine penalties. I concur. And liberals are also right that blacks are far more likely than whites to use and sell crack instead of powder cocaine. But they go badly wrong on two key counts. First, they feed the conspiratorial myth that federal anti-crack penalties were born of a white conspiracy led by right-wing Republicans. Go check the Congressional Record: in 1986, when the federal crack law was debated, the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) supported it, and some CBC members pressed for even harsher penalties. A few years earlier it was CBC members and other Democrats in Congress who pushed President Reagan, against his considered judgment, to create the Office of National Drug Control Policy (better known as the drug czar’s office). And it was President Clinton who recently refused in no uncertain terms to change the federal penalty structure for drug crimes.

Second, liberal experts and advocates of drug legalization cloud the facts about who really goes to prison for drug crimes. As I and several other researchers have concluded, society gets little return on its investment in locking up low-level offenders who possess or even traffic in small amounts of drugs and commit no other crimes. But most drug offenders, both those behind bars and those who have served their time, do not fit that description.

As a recent study funded by the National Institute of Justice and other federal agencies acknowledged, in “an important sense the label ‘drug offender’ is a misnomer.” Few “drug offenders” are in prison for mere possession. In 2001, for example, only 2 percent of the 36,648 persons admitted to federal prisons were in for drug possession. Moreover, as for imprisoned drug traffickers, most have long and diversified criminal records—only their latest and most serious conviction offense is a drug-trafficking offense. Even in the much-maligned federal system, few convicted drug traffickers, whether they handle crack, powder cocaine, or pot, are black college kids or white white-collar types arrested on the interstate by a state trooper who found a small stash under the driver’s seat. The average quantity of drugs involved in federal cocaine trafficking cases is 183 pounds, while the average for marijuana traffickers is 3.5 tons.
 
75th said:
Why what is true? That blacks commit more violent crimes than whites? Well, I know youre planning to bring racism into this...and I know how you DESPISE facts...so here it is again:


Well it's true
Look at the evacuation of New Orleans... There is no doubt that race and $$$ play a role in who gets what from the gov't. All politicians "both dem and republican" ignored the levees. Why?? because of the demographics of the town. Now companies like Haliburton are surveying land that used to be black folks homes in NO. Pilgrims and Indians all over again. rich folks captalizing on the underprivledge and misfortune of poorer people. In the news , white people were "foraging" where as black people were "looting". Even the depictions of people of color on the news is bad.

Your statistics are not facts , but the effects of unequal protection under the law and yep , you guessed it, racism

If we do not get equal treatment, blacks are smacked
with the dirty end of the stick in the legal system.
If we do not get equal protection, blacks suffer the
most from crime.

Representatives of civil rights organizations spoke
in Washington last week about a recent study of
unequal treatment. The study had been compiled by
the FBI, the U.S. Office of Juvenile Justice and
Delinquency Prevention and the National Center for
Juvenile Justice.

It found that black and Hispanic youths are far more
likely to be picked up by the police. If picked up,
black kids are nine times more likely to be given
time than white kids.

This seems to be a contemporary extension of what
the NAACP Legal Defense Fund brought before the
Supreme Court more than 40 years ago. Then, the
issue was capital punishment and how more likely one
was to get a death sentence if one were black than
white.

Sorry , but your "facts" are not facts at all
 
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