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Why are people jumping all over William Bennett?

Gambino said:
i dunno dude, something about that just doesn't sound right...a fucking stupid thing to say, I'm sure his peers would agree...for once i might agree with the whinny peeps

He's hosting a call-in show.

Caller: "You know, we wouldnt have a problem with social security if only we aborted a lot more kids back in the 70s and 80s."

Bennett: "Thats stupid. Thats as stupid as saying that the crime rate would go down if we aborted all the black kids. It makes no sense and is morally reprehensible."

Of course, people like gj is only reading the one line which serves his political agenda.
 
Gambino said:
i dunno dude, something about that just doesn't sound right...a fucking stupid thing to say, I'm sure his peers would agree...for once i might agree with the whinny peeps

lol @ whinny peeps.
 
if someone didnt like bill bennet said wait till they see what john gibson just said on fox news.

something to the effect of

"blacks are being left behind by latino's in gaining political power because they have aborted 10million babies"
 
spongebob said:
if someone didnt like bill bennet said wait till they see what john gibson just said on fox news.

something to the effect of

"blacks are being left behind by latino's in gaining political power because they have aborted 10million babies"

Tell me youre joking.
 
75th said:
Tell me youre joking.

im not. i caught the end of it so im not 100% sure but it was along those lines. he was arguing with some broad on there.

he was trying to make some weird point. im wondering if it the shit will hit the fan on this one.
 
spongebob said:
im not. i caught the end of it so im not 100% sure but it was along those lines. he was arguing with some broad on there.

he was trying to make some weird point. im wondering if it the shit will hit the fan on this one.

Wow. Im sure that, being on Fox, the clip will be up on numerous websites in no time.
 
gjohnson5 said:
Blind...

I can post some death penalty statistics that seem to be analagous to the open hypothesis

1. A white person kills a black person and gets life
2. A black person kills a white peron and get the chair

The end result is always the black folks get killed guilty or innocent

You may be interested in reading this, as well. I know that you only recognize facts as facts when they support your claims (which isnt often), but try to think with an open mind:

From the WSJ:

Consider the data. A 2003 study of the racial impact of federal sentencing guidelines found that the imposition between 1986 and 2000 of stiffer penalties for drug offenders, especially cocaine traffickers, did not result in racially disparate sentences. The amount of the drug sold, the seriousness of the offender’s prior criminal history, whether weapons were involved, and other such valid characteristics of criminals and their crimes accounted for all the observed interracial variations in prison sentences.

Similarly, a 2001 RAND Corporation study of adult robbery and burglary defendants in 14 large U.S. cities found that a defendant’s race or ethnic group bore almost no relation to conviction rates, sentencing severity, or other key measures. In 1999, federal government statistician Patrick A. Langan analyzed data on 42,500 defendants in the nation’s 75 largest counties and found “no evidence that, in the places where blacks in the United States have most of their contacts with the justice system, that system treats them more harshly than whites.”

A 2001 study by Langan of black-white differentials in imprisonment rates demonstrated that “even if racism exists, it might explain only a small part of the gap between the 11 percent black representation in the United States adult population and the now nearly 50 percent black representation among persons entering state prisons each year in the United States.” An otherwise typically liberal-leaning 2003 National Academy of Sciences study voiced the same basic conclusion.

It is often asserted that the 1980s war on drugs resulted in a more racially “disproportionate” prison population. The data tell a different story. In 1980, 46.6 percent of state prisoners and 34.4 percent of federal prisoners were black; by 2000, 48.9 percent of state prisoners and 31.4 percent of federal prisoners were black. In 1999, the median time served in confinement by black violent offenders was 25 months, versus 24 months for their white counterparts. The mean sentence lengths were 116 months for blacks and 110 for whites, while the mean times actually served in confinement were 37 months for blacks, 33 months for whites. These small differences are explained by the fact that black violent crimes are generally more serious than white ones (aggravated rather than simple assaults, weapon-related crimes rather than weaponless ones).

Indeed, the evidence on the race-neutrality of incarceration decisions is now so compelling that even topflight criminologists who rail against the anti-drug regime, mandatory sentencing laws, three-strikes laws, and other policies with which they disagree are nonetheless careful to contend that racial biases are “built into the law,” are “America’s dirty little secret,” or constitute “malign neglect.” In other words, they do everything but challenge the proposition that blacks and whites who do the same crimes and have similar criminal records are now handled by the system in the same ways.

In this vein, liberal experts contend that the penalties for crack cocaine possession and sale are excessive compared with powder cocaine penalties. I concur. And liberals are also right that blacks are far more likely than whites to use and sell crack instead of powder cocaine. But they go badly wrong on two key counts. First, they feed the conspiratorial myth that federal anti-crack penalties were born of a white conspiracy led by right-wing Republicans. Go check the Congressional Record: in 1986, when the federal crack law was debated, the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) supported it, and some CBC members pressed for even harsher penalties. A few years earlier it was CBC members and other Democrats in Congress who pushed President Reagan, against his considered judgment, to create the Office of National Drug Control Policy (better known as the drug czar’s office). And it was President Clinton who recently refused in no uncertain terms to change the federal penalty structure for drug crimes.

Second, liberal experts and advocates of drug legalization cloud the facts about who really goes to prison for drug crimes. As I and several other researchers have concluded, society gets little return on its investment in locking up low-level offenders who possess or even traffic in small amounts of drugs and commit no other crimes. But most drug offenders, both those behind bars and those who have served their time, do not fit that description.

As a recent study funded by the National Institute of Justice and other federal agencies acknowledged, in “an important sense the label ‘drug offender’ is a misnomer.” Few “drug offenders” are in prison for mere possession. In 2001, for example, only 2 percent of the 36,648 persons admitted to federal prisons were in for drug possession. Moreover, as for imprisoned drug traffickers, most have long and diversified criminal records—only their latest and most serious conviction offense is a drug-trafficking offense. Even in the much-maligned federal system, few convicted drug traffickers, whether they handle crack, powder cocaine, or pot, are black college kids or white white-collar types arrested on the interstate by a state trooper who found a small stash under the driver’s seat. The average quantity of drugs involved in federal cocaine trafficking cases is 183 pounds, while the average for marijuana traffickers is 3.5 tons.
 
75th said:
He's hosting a call-in show.

Caller: "You know, we wouldnt have a problem with social security if only we aborted a lot more kids back in the 70s and 80s."

Bennett: "Thats stupid. Thats as stupid as saying that the crime rate would go down if we aborted all the black kids. It makes no sense and is morally reprehensible."

Of course, people like gj is only reading the one line which serves his political agenda.

That's not the way he said it.

Anyway, while he did qualify what he said by saying it would be a morally reprehensible thing to do, he did nothing to qualify his statement that killing all black fetuses would reduce the crime rate. That directly perpetuates the stereotype that just because you are black, you're a criminal.
 
bluepeter said:
That's not the way he said it.

Anyway, while he did qualify what he said by saying it would be a morally reprehensible thing to do, he did nothing to qualify his statement that killing all black fetuses would reduce the crime rate. That directly perpetuates the stereotype that just because you are black, you're a criminal.

uh, no.

whether or not the statement has merit doesnt matter. he clearly was using it ONLY to make his point. so he doesnt have to qualify the contents of the statement. it was outlandish, he said so, clearly. and if YOU extrapolate that "just because your black, your a criminal" from what he said, then your making a mistake. your mistake is that you're taking a statement out of context and working your way backwards with it to extrapolate something you think he said. take the statement as is, which is rather easy. the statement suggest a game of percentages, nothing else.

now do you wanna argue whether the statement has merit or will the default race card be played as always.
 
spongebob said:
uh, no.

whether or not the statement has merit doesnt matter. he clearly was using it ONLY to make his point. so he doesnt have to qualify the contents of the statement. it was outlandish, he said so, clearly. and if YOU extrapolate that "just because your black, your a criminal" from what he said, then your making a mistake. your mistake is that you're taking a statement out of context and working your way backwards with it to extrapolate something you think he said. take the statement as is, which is rather easy. the statement suggest a game of percentages, nothing else.

now do you wanna argue whether the statement has merit or will the default race card be played as always.

Exactly. He was only using the outlandish statement as a response to somebody saying that we would have more money in the SS bank if abortion wasnt legal.
 
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