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Why Americans back the war

biteme said:
Neither do I. Bush gave Sadaam 24 hours to get out of the country or we would attack? They had weapons of mass destruction? Really, what the fuck are we doing over there? What a tragic mess.

actually after 9-11 bush sent wepons inspectors over to find "whatever"...they found some missles ....inspectors told him to dispose of them...(they buried them with bulldozers ..i saw it on cnn happening .complying with the inspectors ....not finding any wmd..shortly after we invaded iraq....
 
GoldenDelicious said:
perhaps the writer of the article did not intend to engage in a serious, fact based argument; rather, (s)he may have sought to offset the pro-war emotion produced by the proponents of war, using exactly the same technique

oh, and biteme, the reason you guys got into this war was to basically control parts of the middle east for your own purposes - namely oil revenue, diversion of tax payer funds to various military contractors (at a huge loss to the tax payer, but hey, certain people still get rich), and to control some middle eastern realestate so as to have a better position to influence other ME nations, namely Iran

the reason most americans support the war is even simpler...ignorance

cheers

ouch ...bitting....but true
 
PERFECTWORLD said:
actually after 9-11 bush sent wepons inspectors over to find "whatever"...they found some missles ....inspectors told him to dispose of them...(they buried them with bulldozers ..i saw it on cnn happening .complying with the inspectors ....not finding any wmd..shortly after we invaded iraq....

So basically there wasn't a sound reason and we violated the UN pact? I have yet to hear a valid reason for this war.
 
biteme said:
So basically there wasn't a sound reason and we violated the UN pact? I have yet to hear a valid reason for this war.

Exactly !!!!....if you were a girl i kiss you


j/k

i swear to god im ready to storm the whitehouse and drag those wigs out of bed
 
biteme said:
So basically there wasn't a sound reason and we violated the UN pact?
yeah, pretty much

i wouldnt call it a violation of a pact as much as id call it a complete undermining (practical and symbolic) of one of the more useful organisations in the world

something i have to say though, is that if the US military is overextended right now, through its occupation of 2 fairly toothless countries (comparitively...the afghans and iraqis were dirt poor, have no airforce, shitty equipment...), an enemy of the calibre of, say, Iran, or North Korea might just be a bit of a problem...

i think a little attitude adjustment is in order
 
GoldenDelicious said:
the reason most americans support the war is even simpler...ignorance

cheers
All I hear day in and day out is how much my fellow Americans are opposed to the war. Yes , there's many who are for it but I think they're the same people who stocked up on the food and water for Y2K.
 
biteme said:
So basically there wasn't a sound reason and we violated the UN pact? I have yet to hear a valid reason for this war.

I think there was an entirely valid reason for the war - highly immoral but valid - oil , money and strategic interest.
 
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September 23, 2004

















The White House may have had a reason to go to war with Iraq that had nothing to do with whether or not Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. (Larry Downing/Reuters) Reason for War?
White House Officials Say Privately the Sept. 11 Attacks Changed Everything

By John Cochran



W A S H I N G T O N, April 25 — To build its case for war with Iraq, the Bush administration argued that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, but some officials now privately acknowledge the White House had another reason for war — a global show of American power and democracy.

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Officials inside government and advisers outside told ABCNEWS the administration emphasized the danger of Saddam's weapons to gain the legal justification for war from the United Nations and to stress the danger at home to Americans.
"We were not lying," said one official. "But it was just a matter of emphasis."

Officials now say they may not find hundreds of tons of mustard and nerve agents and maybe not thousands of liters of anthrax and other toxins. But U.S. forces will find some, they say. On Thursday, President Bush raised the possibility for the first time that any such Iraqi weapons were destroyed before or during the war.

If weapons of mass destruction were not the primary reason for war, what was? Here's the answer officials and advisers gave ABCNEWS.

The Sept. 11, 2001, attacks changed everything, including the Bush administration's thinking about the Middle East — and not just Saddam Hussein.

Senior officials decided that unless action was taken, the Middle East would continue to be a breeding ground for terrorists. Officials feared that young Arabs, angry about their lives and without hope, would always looking for someone to hate — and that someone would always be Israel and the United States.

Europeans thought the solution was to get a peace agreement between Israel and the Palestinians. But American officials felt a Middle East peace agreement would only be part of the solution.

The Bush administration felt that a new start was needed in the Middle East and that Iraq was the place to show that it is democracy — not terrorism — that offers hope.

Sending a Message

Beyond that, the Bush administration decided it must flex muscle to show it would fight terrorism, not just here at home and not just in Afghanistan against the Taliban, but in the Middle East, where it was thriving.

Officials deny that Bush was captured by the aggressive views of neo-conservatives. But Bush did agree with some of their thinking.

"We made it very public that we thought that one consequence the president should draw from 9/11 is that it was unacceptable to sit back and let either terrorist groups or dictators developing weapons of mass destruction strike first at us," conservative commentator Bill Kristol said on ABCNEWS' Nightline in March.

The Bush administration wanted to make a statement about its determination to fight terrorism. And officials acknowledge that Saddam had all the requirements to make him, from their standpoint, the perfect target.

Other countries have such weapons, yet the United States did not go to war with them. And though Saddam oppressed and tortured his own people, other tyrants have done the same without incurring U.S. military action. Finally, Saddam had ties to terrorists — but so have several countries that the United States did not fight.

But Saddam was guilty of all these things and he met another requirement as well — a prime location, in the heart of the Middle East, between Syria and Iran, two countries the United States wanted to send a message to.

That message: If you collaborate with terrorists, you do so at your own peril.

Officials said that even if Saddam had backed down and avoided war by admitting to having weapons of mass destruction, the world would have received the same message; Don't mess with the United States.

Former CIA Director James Woolsey said on Nightline this week that although he believed Saddam was a serious threat and had dangerous weapons, going to war to prove a point was wrong.

"I don't think you should go to war to set examples or send messages," Woolsey said. Get the transcript of the Woolsey interview.

Sept. 11, 2001

But what if Sept. 11 had never happened? Would the United States have gone to war with Iraq? Administration officials and others say no, at least not now.

The Bush administration could probably have lived with the threat of Saddam and might have gone after him eventually if, for example, the Iraqi leader had become more aggressive in pursuing a nuclear program or in sponsoring terrorism.

But again, Sept. 11 changed all that.

Listen closely, officials said, to what Bush was really saying to the American people before the war.

"I hope they understand the lesson of September the 11th," Bush said on March 6. "The lesson is, is that we're vulnerable to attack, wherever it may occur, and we must take threats which gather overseas very seriously. We don't have to deal with them all militarily, but we have to deal with them."

Has the war done what the officials ABCNEWS talked to wanted?

It seems to have improved the behavior of the Syrians and maybe the Iranians, they said, although there is still concern that Iran will meddle in Iraq. And it may have even put some fear in the North Koreans, they added. Plus, they said it probably has helped the Middle East peace process.

But will Iraq be the model that can persuade young Arabs there is more to life than hatred? Too early to know, they said.

Their point: We are deeply worried about the Shiites. It will be a tragedy if radical, anti-American elements gain control in post-Saddam Iraq.

One official said that in the end, history and the American people will judge the United States not by whether U.S. officials find canisters of poison gas or vials of some biological agent.

History will judge the United States, the official said, by whether this war marked the beginning of the end for the terrorists who hate America.






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SVT-TROY said:
All I hear day in and day out is how much my fellow Americans are opposed to the war. Yes , there's many who are for it but I think they're the same people who stocked up on the food and water for Y2K.


LOL 'bout 2 years or so ago when I was pro-service peeps but anti-war (a VERY politically incorrect point of view for an "American" to have at the time) I was blown out of the water by these very same rocket scientists! Heheheheheheeee I still remember one MORON had the balls to post because I was "anti-war" that meant that I was "anti-American-troops" as they were WARriors! hehehehehe

One REAL SMART dumbass even tried to explain why we went to war likening Hussein to a neighbor that is beating his wife, etc. It was "our duty" to not close the blinds and pretend it wasn't happening because "you never know when that neighbor will start to violate us as he doesn't have respect for HIS OWN HOUSE!" Yet that same old dumbass ignores the fact that his own "real life" friends beat the shit out of their significant others!!!! hehehehehee

The funniest part of all of this was that these rocket scientists were MY FRIENDS! HEHehehehehehheeee

Now they are all happily beating the shit out of each other somewhere... or at least busy putting their head back in their assholes ignoring how some of them are busy beating the shit out of each other because "it isn't really happening" - *wink*

Gotta love war mongers!

Imagine that... my viewpoints haven't changed and now I am the one that is "politically correct"!
 
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History will judge the United States, the official said, by whether this war marked the beginning of the end for the terrorists who hate America.

How can terrorism ever be stopped?
 
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