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Why am I even thinking about 1-AD??

Zyglamail said:
Thats good to know Pat, thanks for stopping by and laying to rest that concern. Has there been any tests with 1-AD showing actuall HPTA suppression of the product?


I have seen suppression from 4-AD, nor4-AD, and 1-AD. Of the three, 1-AD gives the least supression.

All prohormones suppress at doses where you actually notice some benefit. 1-AD seems to cause the least suppression proportional to gains by quite a bit
 
i know i will be flamed for this but who cares all the andros are hormones and most have anabolic activity on there own the reason before conversion why they dont "work" because they arent orally active and the little amoutn that does get by aromatizes quickly because its not allot of hormoen your getting and the body can aromatize that little amoutn without u gettign gains , same thing with dbol if you woudl take the 17aa (i know it would change the substance but you get the pont) it woudl probably be just as effective as andro . 1-ad is orally active
 
Look I'm on my second cycle of 1-AD right now. I'm also stacking it with 4-AD. As for post cycle, I know I should do something for it. But the truth for me at least is that it does work. I started out my first cycle @ 170lbs back in August. Right now I'm 185lbs and almost done with a 6 week cycle of it. That's 15lbs for 5 months, not bad since I'm a hard gainer at 6'4". It cost me about $200 for this cycle (4 bottles and 4-AD)... That's why I'm looking at Gear now. I liked the gains on 1-AD but if I can get Gear the money would be better spent.

You'll see my name a lot under 1-AD heading under the supp section. I've had a few e-mails back and forth woth Pat.

You think Deca dick is bad? Try 1-AD! Say good bye to wood! :D


I know what you're thinking, that I must of just started since I was 170lbs, but that's not the case. You won't get d-bol results or even close. But it's better then Nothing IMO. And I have nothing bad to say about 1-AD, even after spending that much $$. If I can't get my hands on Gear I will probably do another cycle of 1-AD before Summer. If it didn't work for me I'd be damned if I'd spend another penny on it.
 
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notpuff said:
i know i will be flamed for this but who cares all the andros are hormones and most have anabolic activity on there own the reason before conversion why they dont "work" because they arent orally active and the little amoutn that does get by aromatizes quickly because its not allot of hormoen your getting and the body can aromatize that little amoutn without u gettign gains , same thing with dbol if you woudl take the 17aa (i know it would change the substance but you get the pont) it woudl probably be just as effective as andro . 1-ad is orally active



Your science regarding aromatization is way off. Learn facts, then make statements
 
69Muscle said:
Look I'm on my second cycle of 1-AD right now. I'm also stacking it with 4-AD. As for post cycle, I know I should do something for it. But the truth for me at least is that it does work. I started out my first cycle @ 170lbs back in August. Right now I'm 185lbs and almost done with a 6 week cycle of it. That's 15lbs for 5 months, not bad since I'm a hard gainer at 6'4". It cost me about $200 for this cycle (4 bottles and 4-AD)... That's why I'm looking at Gear now. I liked the gains on 1-AD but if I can get Gear the money would be better spent.

You'll see my name a lot under 1-AD heading under the supp section. I've had a few e-mails back and forth woth Pat.

You think Deca dick is bad? Try 1-AD! Say good bye to wood! :D


I know what you're thinking, that I must of just started since I was 170lbs, but that's not the case. You won't get d-bol results or even close. But it's better then Nothing IMO. And I have nothing bad to say about 1-AD, even after spending that much $$. If I can't get my hands on Gear I will probably do another cycle of 1-AD before Summer. If it didn't work for me I'd be damned if I'd spend another penny on it.



15 pounds in that period of time sounds like d-bol results to me. I don't know what your impression of d-bol results are. 50 pounds? I am certainly careful not to outright make the statement that 1-AD is equal to potent anabolics, but numbers such as what are reported here are not unlike anabolic steroid cycle gains. Certainly comparable to stuff like primo
 
I have used some pro-hormones in the past , as well as the prohormone equivalent to anti-estrogens. All i have to say is that they did work to a SMALL extent. But none the less they worked and i felt it. BUT the price of these supplement makes them a not so good of a choice compared to anabolics. Hell a pro hormone cycle will cost about 200 bucks. For that much money one could acquire a nice cycle of real anabiolics.

So while i feel that pro hormones work to an extent, they are very coset inneficient.


Sincerly.
 
pa1ad said:
One thing i can guarantee you with 1-AD is that you will NOT get gyno from it

Good to see you here, PA. I highly regard your work and have enjoyed your commentary since the misc.fitness days, before mfw was spawned (5-6 years ago?). Too bad there's so much noise on mfw that it's a waste of my time to peruse that group more than sporadically.

With that said, I did try 1-AD in June, after it was reformulated to ease the stomach discomfort. I was impressed with the results, but not floored. For those thinking it might resemble results of weak steroids, I'd imagine the doses have to be well above those listed on the label.
 
worked for me is all i can say... i honestly got stronger on it... was starnge because people bash prohormones all the times.
 
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