Who's gone that far?

[Ilovetolift]

Who has used all there natural ability to get huge before they started roids? I notice many people on here and in real life that are hardly at my physique and have done cycles. I'm planning on getting to 200lbs natural 5'8'' before I even start my first cycle, what do you guys think about waiting until you have gone as far as natural will take you, opposed to starting while sooner?

 

[Wulfgar]

I was close to 300 lbs before I ever started any steroid use

 

[Ilovetolift]

I was close to 300 lbs before I ever started any steroid use

Ok well I'm talking under 20% bf.

 

[TRAINHD]

It's all about genetics Bro,I for one could've never made it to 200lbs naturally.I did my first cycle when I was 25 with 9 years lifting serius yeah I made strenth gains,but its no fun being strong but skinny

 

[Wulfgar]

Ok well I'm talking under 20% bf.

I was prolly around there
wasnt uber fat
was strong as hell though for my age....typical football defensive lineman

 

[jacshelb]

I didn't wait, personally. I probably should have, but would have given up from frustration if I had- more than likely. But, I think if you've been training for 5+ years seriously, working with your diet and so forth, I can't blame a guy for doing a cycle. I busted my ass all through high school, took an extended layoff (3 years) and got sickly. Then I busted my ass again, gained 40 lbs. and then started experimenting. To each his own, I say. Different people have different genetics too: I mean, I gained 40+ lbs of muscle naturally and still looked skinny. Since then, it has been a pretty even mix of gains on and off cycles. By that, I mean that I still rely on diet and training and don't consider it a "gain" if I can't keep it while off for quite some time. That's just my thing. I like to try different ways and see what works for diet, training, supplements, juice etc etc. It's all about tinkering and trying to do it safely for me.


Jacob

 

[jdvega64]

This is actually a good point being brought up. In my opinion, one should definately wait until one has a solid foundation not only physically, but technique-wise with lifting; if you have shitty form, you won't develope like you should to maximize the benefits from using. Anything less is a waste of time and gear. Gear makes it too easy to "cheat" with form, causing potential for injury. I've seen so many guys that use when they shouldn't and blame the riod on somehting that's actually their problem to begin with. If you condition yourself right, you'll avoid injury. Bottom line though is safety.

 

[AhMadKooL]

Who has used all there natural ability to get huge before they started roids? I notice many people on here and in real life that are hardly at my physique and have done cycles. I'm planning on getting to 200lbs natural 5'8'' before I even start my first cycle, what do you guys think about waiting until you have gone as far as natural will take you, opposed to starting while sooner?

I started training naturally since i was 18 and did my first cycle at age 25. I believe i was at my natural max potential when i started steroids. At age 25 i was 6 ft tall; 220 Lbs; 12 % bf. After my first cycle i gained 30 lbs and kept 18 lbs.

 

[thisforumrots]

It's all about genetics Bro,I for one could've never made it to 200lbs naturally.I did my first cycle when I was 25 with 9 years lifting serius yeah I made strenth gains,but its no fun being strong but skinny

amen

 

[Goldprospector]

I started when I was 36 years old. Training for most of my teen and adult life. Broken bones put training on hold for a few years, but I lifted hard again for a year before starting the first cycle.

 

[Ulter]

Who has used all there natural ability to get huge before they started roids? I notice many people on here and in real life that are hardly at my physique and have done cycles. I'm planning on getting to 200lbs natural 5'8'' before I even start my first cycle, what do you guys think about waiting until you have gone as far as natural will take you, opposed to starting while sooner?

Me. I started my first cycle when I was about 28 and had trained since 19.

 

[Apexx]

Not me. I definitely could have grown more natty, but got tired of being almost 6' tall and only 150lbs. Fuck, I can't believe I ever got laid back then. Must have been my natural charm that the ladies loved

 

[stuck]

Started cycling at 27, started lifting at 14. IMO the guys who cycle early are the same ones who rarely keep any of their gains. Hell I've been at it for 17 years now and am still learning how my body reacts to certain diets / traning.

Unless you're competing, I don't know why anyone would be doing roids at 20 years old. Any dude at that age can run a mile a day and hit the gym 3x a week and be ripped, and still have plenty of chances to go out and drink his ass off every weekend.

On the other hand, alot of people experiment with "other" drugs in college, so I guess if I could go back I'd probably take the needle over any of those "others".

 

[nybb10001]

Who has used all there natural ability to get huge before they started roids? I notice many people on here and in real life that are hardly at my physique and have done cycles. I'm planning on getting to 200lbs natural 5'8'' before I even start my first cycle, what do you guys think about waiting until you have gone as far as natural will take you, opposed to starting while sooner?

That's the right way to do it. Get used to managing your diet appropriately first. If you ever do take steroids, your diet becomes EVEN MORE important (many people assume the opposite).

 

[Ilovetolift]

Started cycling at 27, started lifting at 14. IMO the guys who cycle early are the same ones who rarely keep any of their gains. Hell I've been at it for 17 years now and am still learning how my body reacts to certain diets / traning.

Unless you're competing, I don't know why anyone would be doing roids at 20 years old. Any dude at that age can run a mile a day and hit the gym 3x a week and be ripped, and still have plenty of chances to go out and drink his ass off every weekend.

On the other hand, alot of people experiment with "other" drugs in college, so I guess if I could go back I'd probably take the needle over any of those "others".

That's presicely what I'm doing, I'm planning on competing when I'm 20 years old. I use to powerlift when I was 17, then 6 months later I started to bodybuild, which consisted of mostly bland food tons of cardio, I was RIPPED but still tiny, now I'm older and more mature, I know how much effort and time it really takes. I went from 130-165 and my bodyfat went up about 4% in 7 months.

 

[nicecannons]

imo opinion competing or not 20 is too young for gear.i was 33 trained from 14 and deffo was as big natty as could be.youve got plenty of growing natty yet

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

Im 22...im using gear more for the high RBC count than for bulking...I love eq...my dad is so impress with what I can eat...

 

[shoestring]

I waited till I was pretty maxed out naturally. At 5'10'' I made it to 205-210 at around 15% bf. I recently did my first cycle at age 38. I have been lifting on a regular basis for around 25 yrs.. I think it is wise to wait till you have a good foundation and several years of exp under your belt.

The picture in my profile is before aas.

 

[solidspine]

Did my first cycle at age 46, now pushing 56

 

[Ilovetolift]

You guys make very good points, put no matter what age I am, when I hit 200 10% or under at 5'8'', I truly believe that will be where I should start. Going from 130-200 lean, I don't think your body could do much more NATTY. Any comments on this?

 

[shoestring]

You guys make very good points, put no matter what age I am, when I hit 200 10% or under at 5'8'', I truly believe that will be where I should start. Going from 130-200 lean, I don't think your body could do much more NATTY. Any comments on this?

I dunno if you can make it there and stay under 10%. But that would be awsome! It is hard to say wear you can get naturaly, everybody is different. If you are still making decent progress the hold off on gear. But as long as you are close to your potential & have some hard years under your belt & you are say 23yrs + you are ready imo..

 

[flyin j]

Started at 18, 6'3 185, 4 DEDICATED years later just before my first cycle I was 6'3 250 not fat a small belly but nothing visible through a shirt. Benched 200 at 18 got up to 350 naturally and every other lift grew just like that one did also. I could have kept going but I was ready to juice and was surrounded by it so I thought what the hell!!

 

[JuicedAthletics]

Well,
I started when I was 18.. I was 6'1 175 lbs.. I got a ride to a D1 football school under the terms that I put on some size.... 8 weeks and 200mg of deca later I was 6'1 around 225 lbs.. I played for a year.. Got hurt.. Changed schools...
I stayed natty for about 3 years, maintaining the 225 lbs.. I wanted to go for a different look so now I cycle on and off withmy BF never getting over 11-12% at a weight of 210.

So I SHOUDLNT have cycled when I was 18. But in my case, it let me hit my peak sooner.. And fortunately I kept it...
BUT now I see no reason for men to use AS until they are around 25 years old.. Research has showed me how much test we actually have during those years..

 

[Wulfgar]

Well,
I started when I was 18.. I was 6'1 175 lbs.. I got a ride to a D1 football school under the terms that I put on some size.... 8 weeks and 200mg of deca later I was 6'1 around 225 lbs.. I played for a year.. Got hurt.. Changed schools...
I stayed natty for about 3 years, maintaining the 225 lbs.. I wanted to go for a different look so now I cycle on and off withmy BF never getting over 11-12% at a weight of 210.

So I SHOUDLNT have cycled when I was 18. But in my case, it let me hit my peak sooner.. And fortunately I kept it...
BUT now I see no reason for men to use AS until they are around 25 years old.. Research has showed me how much test we actually have during those years..

hooray for the 200 mg of deca for 8 week noob cycle!!!....

 

[JuicedAthletics]

Bro,
THis is the absolute truth... I took 200mg per week (Brovel 200) for 8 weeks. I kept 40 something pounds.. My PCT was 50mg Clomid for a month...

It was unbelievable.. I really wouldn't have done it any other way...
I can't really tell if you are being serious or not.. LOL

 

[Wulfgar]

im completely being serious

i recommend that cycle exclusively for every novice AAS user

alot of guys recommend test only. but i think they are missing out on a wonderful opportunity for an amazing growth threshhold with the deca only cycle

 

[Tweakle]

200 lean is great, defintely better than most people achieve (200 fat is meaningless but you know that already)

it cracks me up to read posts by people expecting to somehow be 230-240 (at an average height before someone who's 6'4" pipes up), natural and ripped, personally I blame the lies and bullshit of messageboard culture and BBing magazines for giving people diseased, ridiculous ideas of what is attainable.. as my man IA says, Arnie was 230 in contest condition on a ton of gear so why do people think they can do the same with average genetics and drug free?

 

[mkazzbmf]

I believe that aas has allowed me to gain more when I am natty as well. I was stuck at 170 6 feet after 5 years of hard training......I can hit 190 natty now no matter how low my weight gets.....


Kaz

 

[Ilovetolift]

200 lean is great, defintely better than most people achieve (200 fat is meaningless but you know that already)

it cracks me up to read posts by people expecting to somehow be 230-240 (at an average height before someone who's 6'4" pipes up), natural and ripped, personally I blame the lies and bullshit of messageboard culture and BBing magazines for giving people diseased, ridiculous ideas of what is attainable.. as my man IA says, Arnie was 230 in contest condition on a ton of gear so why do people think they can do the same with average genetics and drug free?

great post!

 

[maldorf]

You guys make very good points, put no matter what age I am, when I hit 200 10% or under at 5'8'', I truly believe that will be where I should start. Going from 130-200 lean, I don't think your body could do much more NATTY. Any comments on this?

One thing to keep in mind when you start training really young is that your body would have gained muscle mass just doing everyday things and not lifting. When I started lifting at age 15, I was 145 lbs at 6 foot tall and by the time I graduated high school I was 185 lbs at age 18. My height hasnt changed since I was 15. I am sure I would have gained at least 20 pounds or so without lifting due to the kicking in of natural test during puberty. I figure I would have been about the size of my father, who doesnt lift, and he was about 180 lbs at 6 foot. So not all of that 40 pounds I put on was due to lifting.
I did my first cycle after I trained for 13 years when I was about 28 years old and weighed 225 pounds at the time. Now at 36 I weigh about 250 pounds. I dont think anyone can ever know if they hit their "genetic potential", but I felt like at 28 years old I had. When you change your diet and training around and nothing seems to pack on anymore pounds, that might be it.