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While on creatine, do you notice any difference?

Do you take creatine before working out, and if so, do you think it helps?

  • I take creatine occasionally and think it probably boosts my energy somewhat

    Votes: 29 19.1%

  • I take creatine occasionally but I'm not sure if it truly boosts my energy or not

    Votes: 18 11.8%

  • I take creatine often and can see an improvement in my energy when weight training

    Votes: 60 39.5%

  • I've taken creatine before, but am not really sure whether or not it really works

    Votes: 24 15.8%

  • I don't take creatine.

    Votes: 21 13.8%
  • Total voters
    152
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PoonRaider

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Occasionally, I'll take 6 grams of creatine after my protein shake (Either Spiru-tein or Muscle Milk) before I workout. I'm not really sure whether it actually gives me a boost of energy, or whether it's all in my head. I've heard it is supposed to boost strength training energy or something.

I'm not really sure about it, so I was wondering what everybody's opinion is of it.
 
I usually use EAS phosphagen HP, I know its a little "old school" with Vitargo and cell tech, etc... but it always works for me and is the easiest to use. Vitargo and Cell just double the dose and can get nausiating to drink then train/eat. Anyway, i load 20g day for 5 then 10 g for 3 then 5 g for remainder. I cycle 12 weeks on/12 weeks off. Muscles definitely get tighter and I dont necessarily get more "energy" (like a caffeine boost) but idefinitetly get stronger and more muscular endurance (more reps). As for weight gain..I've gained 12 lbs in the past over 8 weeks. I've also put on about 3-5 in 8 weeks..using same product etc...I notice after the first 5 lbs (first 4 weeks) then I start to gain a few lbs each week or two. But I never gain 12-20 lbs like some guys claim in 4-6 weeks.
 
You can't take it once in a while. You have to take it consistently.

Take 5-10 grams/day. Take 3+grams pwo with your shake, don't pre-mix the creatine with the shake, because it will degrade into creatinine if you do.

You can take it in the AM, w/pre workout shake, and with evening meal, too.
 
I have this stuff called Creatine Surge I bought at Whole Foods. I'm gonna start taking at least 6g a day w/ my preworkout shake.
 
From what I have heard, you are supposed to take 5 grams preworkout and then another 5 postworkout with dextrose and protein. My question is what do you take the 5 grams preworkout with? Should I mix it into a 30g protein shake for preworkout?
 
Veretta9 said:
From what I have heard, you are supposed to take 5 grams preworkout and then another 5 postworkout with dextrose and protein. My question is what do you take the 5 grams preworkout with? Should I mix it into a 30g protein shake for preworkout?
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also work well for preworkout with creatine
 
Creatine has worked for me. I just use the creatine monhydrate powder and don't waste my money on the other creatine products. I have found that taking it with whey and dextrose does the trick. 5 grams in the morning with breakfast (1/2 cup uncooked oatmeal, 1 cup lowfat cottage cheese, 1 cup blueberries/raspberries, 1 scoop of chocalate whey protein - all mixed not to bad) and 5 grams in my postworkout shake (40g dextrose, 20 g whey protein).
 
I have never been one for pre-workout shakes. About 90 minutes before I work out I eat 3/4 cup oatmeal nuked in 12 oz milk. After nuking, I add 2 tablspoons ground flaxseeds and 30 g whey.
 
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I never have either----but lately I have been having about 23g from a protein shake preworkout and my lifts have been going really well--I think when I start up on creatine I will add about 20g of Dextrose plus 5g of creatine to that shake---and then have my regular postworkout shake with R-ALA as well----does that sound stupid to anyone?
 
Yes. I usually take one about 1-2 hours before lifting, and then another following lifting. I just started taking it twice a day. So thats like 12g a day. Not too bad.
 
Dextrose comes in my drink. I'm pretty sure you're supposed to take it with dextrose so it gets absorbed faster or something. . .
check out www.bodybuilding.com they have lots of info on creatine, i'm sure you could find an article that answers your question.
 
I take 5g mixed w/my am shake (2% milk and 1 scoop whey).

THen post workout 5g mixed with about 40g whey and usually dextrose.

But have no idea if I am taking it the right way or I can do someting better. I have noticed an increase in strength at the gym, so it is doing something, just don't know if I would notice more increase in strength taking it another way.

SOmetimes post workout I will mix it with gatorade or just water, room temp; as I have heard on hear many times..

So, what's the consensus?
 
d3track said:
arent you the guy who was saying all supplements are bad for you, an dnot healthy?
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Are you talking to me?
If so,
It is true I would prefer to be all natural and eat only organic food, which I do for the most part. Although I'm not a vegetarian, I think that eating beef and chicken every day to get my daily protein, I think that using protein supplements are quite safe compared to steroids or the hazards of red meat. Some protein supplements, to quote [ http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/mt/nitro.html ], are "scientifically designed to force more amino acids into your muscles and support greater gains in lean muscle mass and strength" than fresh, all natural chicken, beef and fish could supply you with. Also, where the hell could I get so much whey isolate without drinking loads of whole milk, which has so much fat, when I'm trying to lose it?
 
EL GAUCHO said:
Its probably the dextrose which i giving you the energy bro.
You can't actually "feel" the creatine working....
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"So, what is creatine? Our bodies naturally make the compound, which is used to supply energy to our muscles. It is produced in the liver, pancreas, and kidneys, and is transported to the body's muscles through the bloodstream. Once it reaches the muscles, it is converted into phosphocreatine (creatine phosphate). This high-powered metabolite is used to regenerate the muscles' ultimate energy source, ATP (adenosine triphosphate)." - http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/creatine.html

The energy comes from the concoction of Creatine monohydrate, adenosine triphosphate, as well as the dextrose. Sugars (Dextrose, glucose, fructose, etc.) are good for short, quick energy burning periods, which is why they are ideal for weight training. That's basic knowledge.

Essentially, do some research on supplements before you come to the conclusion that, "Its probably the dextrose which i giving you the energy bro."
 
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yosshimura said:
I take 5g mixed w/my am shake (2% milk and 1 scoop whey).

THen post workout 5g mixed with about 40g whey and usually dextrose.

But have no idea if I am taking it the right way or I can do someting better. I have noticed an increase in strength at the gym, so it is doing something, just don't know if I would notice more increase in strength taking it another way.

SOmetimes post workout I will mix it with gatorade or just water, room temp; as I have heard on hear many times..

So, what's the consensus?
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I think that it increases energy, but you have to remember to drink plenty of water. I prefer taking creatine about 1-2 hours before working out, and drinking lots of water during that period.
 
Listen, twig man, it IS the dextrose that is giving you the "feeling" of energy.
Sure, the mix you are taking will provide more energy for workout, but not an energy which you will feel, like say if you where using ECA.
Creatine will allow your muscle cells to volumise to a greater extent, but it will NOT give you an energy boost during work outs. You just can't feel it that way.
If you are feeling anything, it is most likely a placebo effect, or the sugars in the mix you have bought.
 
The best overall creatine that worked best for me was Trac by MHP. this stuff was amazing. It was the first supplement I ever took and it worked wonders. 10lbs of muscle and 50lbs on bench max.
 
EL GAUCHO said:
Listen, twig man, it IS the dextrose that is giving you the "feeling" of energy.
Sure, the mix you are taking will provide more energy for workout, but not an energy which you will feel, like say if you where using ECA.
Creatine will allow your muscle cells to volumise to a greater extent, but it will NOT give you an energy boost during work outs. You just can't feel it that way.
If you are feeling anything, it is most likely a placebo effect, or the sugars in the mix you have bought.
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Twig man? I'm 17, 5'10, and lean. I have better genes than you do, shorty. :p
wtf is your deal w/ 'feeling creatine'?
And uhh. . gee thx for your opinion on just what you 'feel' when you workout
Why are you telling me this again?
 
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I took nothing but standard issue Cell-Tech and some Whey and gained 10 Lbs in a month. I have only been off of the creatine for 2 weeks now though and I am waiting to see if my muscles suddenly deflate and dissapear due to water retention. So far my body weight has only gone up although at a much slower rate. I always take creatine post workout because I figure it has the best time to be absorbed by my body at that time.
 
EL GAUCHO said:
Because you obviously needed educating: twig.
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30" waist, 150 lbs, 5'10" at age 17 = twig? Heh, alright. . . Thats the waist size most guys dream about.
How tall are you? 5'6"?
You're a dumbass. Enough said.
You don't know shit about that which you attempt to give your opinion. I don't think anyone really gives a shit what you have to say about what you're feeling when you work out or where the energy comes from. . .
If I want a valid answer I'll consult a PhD about that. Your ignorant opinion has no value.
 
PoonRaider said:
30" waist, 150 lbs, 5'10" at age 17 = twig? Heh, alright. . . Thats the waist size most guys dream about.
How tall are you? 5'6"?
You're a dumbass. Enough said.
You don't know shit about that which you attempt to give your opinion. I don't think anyone really gives a shit what you have to say about what you're feeling when you work out or where the energy comes from. . .
If I want a valid answer I'll consult a PhD about that. Your ignorant opinion has no value.
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you are kinda shootin yourself in the foot here

when i was 17, i was 5-10, 165, and i tested in the tank at 6%
and i was a twig
i have a feeling you have read some ads and now think you know everything, and its starting to get old
 
d3track said:
you are kinda shootin yourself in the foot here

when i was 17, i was 5-10, 165, and i tested in the tank at 6%
and i was a twig
i have a feeling you have read some ads and now think you know everything, and its starting to get old
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Really? You have a feeling I read some ads. . .
I've read many books and many articles on weight training, and am currently being instructed by my family's personal trainer to get a personal weight training certificate so that when I goto college I can be a personal trainer. Weight training is something that I love to do, and it would kick ass to be able to show other people how to do it and get paid for it. I'll post a shot of my certificate when I get it later this year.
Ill tell you, I am really knowledgable about weight training. Don't feel uncomfortable because I may know as much, if not more about maintaining a healthy lifestyle than you do, it just means you should read more.
If you see me most something that isn't 100% accurate, without me telling you it is, and you can prove it isnt, then that is when you should attempt to insult me.
And one more thing, don't make ungrounded assumptions, you just look like as much of a dumbass as El Gaucho. I hate it when people make ignorant assuptions. It's inane in all meanings of the word (look it up). If you make a habit out of making assumptions. . . well, thats where you shoot yourself in the foot.

Now, with that said, where the fuck did all this hostility in my thread come from? I created this poll to see whether or not I should spend money on buying creatine, and if its benefits are worth it, in the opinion of the EF community.
 
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Well i think i came into this discussion late :) I have been on creatine for about 2 years and I always experience two things....strength and that wonderful bloat the first day i cycle on. Research shows that there is a small anabolic effect in the body, but one must workout quite hard to get gains from this wonderful substance. Its one of the finest supps out there! Hey I am a personal trainer as well get certified through NASM or ACSM They have the best reputation. :verygood:
 
FYI: I'm 5'10 also, I am a gym manager and qualified Personal Trainer: been in the industry for 8 years.
The hostility began with you:
Essentially, do some research on supplements before you come to the conclusion that, "Its probably the dextrose which i giving you the energy bro."
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Don't ask someone who knows their stuff to "do some research". Oh and also STOP swearing on the board: its not clever.
I was just trying to give you some educated information.
Lets leave it at that.
 
Dextrose = sugar, sugar is good for short bursts of energy, but I'm in the weight room for at least an hour, usually 1 and a half. Sugar cant really sustain that kind of energy IMO, I think that it comes mainly from the creatine and protein shakes I drink before working out.
 
Personally I didn't see bloating really, but when I got off creatine for a couple weeks, I started getting compliments about how my facial complexion was smoother and toner after getting the creatine out of my system. So I guess it did retain water hehe, and it didn't look as well in the face.
But it did help, but I don't know if I like the bloated face part heh....
 
Didn't see a lot of mass gain, did see an huge increase in strength, and recovery between sets.

The negative : I did get back-toback hamstring pulls, which creatine may have contributed to, during tae kwon do. Hard to say. Other than that, while lifting, *Zero* negative side effects.
 
i drink a shake with creatine whey and dextrose about an hour before my workouts, and also one right after. i have noticed a difference in my energy, especially on my later sets.
also, does anyone know any real guideline for g of creatine a day? does it go by weight?
 
MikeMartial----I am currently in my second full week of creatine---I just pulled my hamstring doing sprints--it wasn't bad--but still pulled it--not sure if the creatine had anything to do with it
 
I don't use creatine, but I have a question about it. I heard from a friend that if you take creatine for a long time and gain a lot of mass (say 10-15 pounds) and than you go off of it, you will lose most of what you gained. My question is do you lose all your strength gains as well?
 
You won't lose all your gains/strength, but you will notice a drop in both.
I can usually maintain my kg's, but will have to drop my reps by one or two, or at least take longer rests between sets.
 
Veretta9 said:
MikeMartial----I am currently in my second full week of creatine---I just pulled my hamstring doing sprints--it wasn't bad--but still pulled it--not sure if the creatine had anything to do with it
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More and more anecdotal evidence pops up all the time about creatine and mucle pulls. I'm not sure if it's dehydration, or a muscle vs tendon strength imbalance.
 
Definately a muscle vs tendon strength imbalance. Tendons don't gain the necessary strength to support the stronger muscles as a result of creatine.
 
EL GAUCHO said:
Definately a muscle vs tendon strength imbalance. Tendons don't gain the necessary strength to support the stronger muscles as a result of creatine.
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Ok, then continuing along this line of thinking, are severe pulls and tears more common when a guy is on gear? (Serious question, coming from a guy that knows zero about AAS)
 
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AAS is not an area of expertise for me either, but a lot of the bros at my gym that juice do have injuries.
Can't say if that's due to the gear, or the crazy intensity that these mofos train at!
 
MikeMartial said:
Ok, then continuing along this line of thinking, are severe pulls and tears more common when a guy is on gear? (Serious question, coming from a guy that knows zero about AAS)
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connective tissue growth(i.e. ligaments & tendons) can't keep pace with muscle growth while on gear
another reason for shorter duration cycles with modest muscle growth
and then time off for the connective tissue to catch up,or at least to close the gap to someextent and therefore minimize injury potential
 
i think i can feel it ealy too
however i am clinicaally very sensitive to these things so..

surely tho it has to have an effect fairly quickly after being digested really like 2 hours or teen hours or so surely i mean why not -0 wether people can generally notice this initial effect is clearly debatable but it is used as an energy source in the brain as well which is worthy of note.
 
MikeMartial said:
Ok, then continuing along this line of thinking, are severe pulls and tears more common when a guy is on gear? (Serious question, coming from a guy that knows zero about AAS)
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People pull muscles when taking creatine?? Wow :-) . What brand of creatine (assuming creatine monohydrate) were they taking? But I bet those people were stacking AAS, prosteroids with the creatine also. I know if I take some M1T at the end of the cycle my shoulder will start bothering me. I have to stop at that point.
 
Basically creatine postpones the "failure point" in my experience. I do notice (even without sugar) an increase in energy both physical and mental. Most people will tell you it just helps eek out those extra 1 or 2 reps on your sets. I think it's good probably good for muscle gain, but mostly i like training more when on it, probably just because i feel stronger, and it reduces the "burn" from higher volume sets.
 
I noticed the benefits of elevated endurance and even better recovery and less muscle pain

But I had some water weight gain as well.

I cycle a month on and a month off and only use approx 4 grams a day max,
split up in 2 deliveries
 
PoonRaider said:
Occasionally, I'll take 6 grams of creatine after my protein shake (Either Spiru-tein or Muscle Milk) before I workout. I'm not really sure whether it actually gives me a boost of energy, or whether it's all in my head. I've heard it is supposed to boost strength training energy or something.

I'm not really sure about it, so I was wondering what everybody's opinion is of it.
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I definitely notice a difference. I only use it during OFF cycle periods though. I get size and strength with ZERO sides.
 
When I am on creatine my muscles are constantly full and I look bigger, but I sacrifice muscle hardness. I drink ~2.5 gallons of water every day to minimize water retention, but I still am a little puffier than while "off".
 
PoonRaider said:
Occasionally, I'll take 6 grams of creatine after my protein shake (Either Spiru-tein or Muscle Milk) before I workout. I'm not really sure whether it actually gives me a boost of energy, or whether it's all in my head. I've heard it is supposed to boost strength training energy or something.

I'm not really sure about it, so I was wondering what everybody's opinion is of it.
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If you don't feel any difference, then don't use it. The effect of creatine must be noticeable.
 
Creatine is one of the more effective natural products in my experience. As some already mentioned, I think it's better to save it for off cycle periods when you need it the most.
 
what about tryn creatine with a beastdrol cycle...i was told thats really the best time to do creatine ... while on a cycle...
 
I've read alot of different opinions and articles about creatine even some saying it extends your life in the long run... not exactly sure how accurate that is but from my experience micronized creatine mono has worked well for me but I take it in very small doses and only after I train.
 
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