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Which would you rather have banned?

Definitely steroids. Without guns, how would we protect ourselves from the government if the need ever arose?
 
steroids. people have no problem getting them




btw, lol at the "legalize steroids" peeps. good luck with that
 
steroids.
 
Optimus B said:
guns. IMO, they're more abused than steroids are.
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I say ban bullets, or only produce them in limited quantities. Guns are useless without them. Or only allow bullets to be sold to anyone without prior violent convictions.
 
Delinquent said:
Definitely steroids. Without guns, how would we protect ourselves from the government if the need ever arose?
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what are you gonna do, shoot your .22 at the F-18 dropping a 2,000 lbs Daisey Cutter on your house, or at the M1 Tank that comes to get you?

Peace.

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guns, but mostly because I don't use those. LOL
 
ban? as in magically take them away from everyone (law-abiding citizens and criminals alike)?

if so, then i might choose guns. however, i don't know how making such an enormous change would affect the world (aside from the obvious positives).
 
Did we forget about the U.S. Constitution: Second Amendment - Bearing Arms?


I clearly I must have missed the steriod amendment.
 
even if guns were banned people would still find ways to kill each other.

steroids never caused anyone any harm, so i dont get why the government bans those.
 
velvett said:
Did we forget about the U.S. Constitution: Second Amendment - Bearing Arms?

I clearly I must have missed the steriod amendment.
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Absolutely true. However, a) I still think that it was created when the British were actually around the corner and not half a world away and b) if you can amend it for gay marriages, then you can change anything in it.
 
hanselthecaretaker said:
I say ban bullets, or only produce them in limited quantities. Guns are useless without them. Or only allow bullets to be sold to anyone without prior violent convictions.
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It's fairly easy to make your own ammunition. Easier than making your own gear I would say.
 
geoboy said:
what are you gonna do, shoot your .22 at the F-18 dropping a 2,000 lbs Daisey Cutter on your house, or at the M1 Tank that comes to get you?

Peace.

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And how often does that happen? :rolleyes:

I'm surprised that you didn't mentioned Mecha Godzilla coming over the Pacific and being all pissed about the Asian Bird flu.
 
hanselthecaretaker said:
I say ban bullets, or only produce them in limited quantities. Guns are useless without them. Or only allow bullets to be sold to anyone without prior violent convictions.
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you mean like they already do with guns? are you saying criminals are actually breaking the laws to buy firearms? why i never... :rolleyes:
 
jackangel said:
ban? as in magically take them away from everyone (law-abiding citizens and criminals alike)?

if so, then i might choose guns. however, i don't know how making such an enormous change would affect the world (aside from the obvious positives).
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Sales of boards with sharp spikes would increase.
 
this thread makes me want to buy another gun...think i will do so.

see: glock 21
see also: hk usp compact
 
p0ink said:
this thread makes me want to buy another gun...think i will do so.

see: glock 21
see also: hk usp compact
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I'm curious. Why? Like the sport? Want to defend yourself from the boogeyman? I'm just curious.
 
i already filed my paperwork to get my CCW, so i can legally carry a concealed weapon, i wouldnt mind another carry weapon.

plus, i do ALOT of shooting. it's fun. have you ever gone shooting before? i never met anyone who went shooting and absolutely hated it...other than pussy girls.
 
EnderJE said:
Absolutely true. However, a) I still think that it was created when the British were actually around the corner and not half a world away and b) if you can amend it for gay marriages, then you can change anything in it.
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Some gun laws are insane.
You can own the parts (uppers, lowers, stocks) but you can't own them asembled.

***ack don't get me started.

:rolleyes:

Gay marriage - eh why not let them suffer too and give some money to divorce lawyers too.
 
p0ink said:
i already filed my paperwork to get my CCW, so i can legally carry a concealed weapon, i wouldnt mind another carry weapon.

plus, i do ALOT of shooting. it's fun. have you ever gone shooting before? i never met anyone who went shooting and absolutely hated it...other than pussy girls.
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I like the idea of shooting and plan to take the kids hunting when they're older. But, I'm not sure about the idea of a concealed weapon. Just don't see the need.

I guess I don't live in a bad enough part of town to feel threatened.
 
Ban both of them if you want because I'm going to get mine anyway. As a matter of fact when ban something I just get more of it. I think we all know banning something only will apply to those who are willing to walk the line. Most of the people who are willing to cause a problem aren't walking the line in the first place. Point: Banning doesn't work focus on education.(I know enough of my Rant)
 
velvett said:
Some gun laws are insane.
You can own the parts (uppers, lowers, stocks) but you can't own them asembled.

***ack don't get me started.

:rolleyes:

Gay marriage - eh why not let them suffer too and give some money to divorce lawyers too.
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you seem to know quite a bit about firearms. are you also on arfcom?

just one example of the insanity is DIAS'. you can own a drop in auto sear, which converts a semi-automatic AR into full auto, so long as you dont ever use it or own a firearm capable of accepting it. if you do, you are fucked - even if you dont even have them installed in a firearm.
 
velvett said:
Some gun laws are insane.
You can own the parts (uppers, lowers, stocks) but you can't own them asembled.

***ack don't get me started.

:rolleyes:

Gay marriage - eh why not let them suffer too and give some money to divorce lawyers too.
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See that's stupid. You can own the pieces and not assemble them? Just make a clear distinction between this and that and set the line there.

Until we develop the concealable personal rocket launcher.

Gay marriage could be considered good / bad depending on point of view. If the only people suffering was just them, then sure. But, marriage is alot more complicated then that.
 
p0ink said:
you seem to know quite a bit about firearms. are you also on arfcom?

just one example of the insanity is DIAS'. you can own a drop in auto sear, which converts a semi-automatic AR into full auto, so long as you dont ever use it or own a firearm capable of accepting it. if you do, you are fucked - even if you dont even have them installed in a firearm.
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Ar15.com?
 
Even if guns were outlawed, I still could legally have one :D
I love my juice. :p Even just Test is better then nothing.
You non-juicers should start juicing...You'll never go back :goatslaye
V does know alot about guns...lot of hunting in Long Island? :worried:
 
this argument is like chasing your tail

there are always going to be stronger people preying on the weak - if it werent for guns, then itd be knives, little would change, really.

ideally niether would be banned, but people would fucking get along (sorry for swearing)
 
Ulcasterdropout said:
Even if guns were outlawed, I still could legally have one :D
I love my juice. :p Even just Test is better then nothing.
You non-juicers should start juicing...You'll never go back :goatslaye
V does know alot about guns...lot of hunting in Long Island? :worried:
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i've always wondered what the point to juicing was if you were not a pro athlete or a ladies man. why do the shit if you ain't even getting laid/paid?
 
Gambino said:
i've always wondered what the point to juicing was if you were not a pro athlete or a ladies man. why do the shit if you ain't even getting laid/paid?
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That is an excellent question.
 
Ulcasterdropout said:
That is an excellent question.
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just curious, what are your 1 rep numbers in the sq, bp, and dl? I wanna see how they stack up to my natty numbers
 
Optimus B said:
guns. IMO, they're more abused than steroids are.
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guns are not abused except by those that obtain them illegially and use them to commit crimes. do a little research on the subject and you'll see how rare it is that a legally obtained gun is used in a crime.

background checks are necessary in order to legally purchase firearms. this includes any history of being treated in mental health facilities. in some states, the background check can last days. i know in PA if there is something questionable on your record, you will be denied purchase on the spot and have to file paperwork and go through some other hoops to gain the state's permission to purchase a firearm legally. this is what the state does to try to keep guns out of the hands of criminals.


i own 3 guns - 12 gauge, handgun, and a japanese WWII rifle. the 12 guage i've had since i was 19. in the past 8 years it has not been abused or used illegially. the handgun i've owned for 3 years and it has never been abused or used illegially. the jap rifle i have no ammo for.
 
p0ink said:
you seem to know quite a bit about firearms. are you also on arfcom?

just one example of the insanity is DIAS'. you can own a drop in auto sear, which converts a semi-automatic AR into full auto, so long as you dont ever use it or own a firearm capable of accepting it. if you do, you are fucked - even if you dont even have them installed in a firearm.
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doesn't a Class III permit make it legal to own both though? i am pretty sure you can own full auto weapons with a Class III permit.
 
Gambino said:
just curious, what are your 1 rep numbers in the sq, bp, and dl? I wanna see how they stack up to my natty numbers
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I dunno, I only use nautilus and cables ;)
 
crak600 said:
guns are not abused except by those that obtain them illegially and use them to commit crimes. do a little research on the subject and you'll see how rare it is that a legally obtained gun is used in a crime.
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i completely agree with that guns obtained illegally being used in the vast majority of crimes. but research or not, when i'm in the ER, i'm much more likely to see someone come in with an injury related to a firearm than to AAS.
 
Optimus B said:
but research or not, when i'm in the ER, i'm much more likely to see someone come in with an injury related to a firearm than to AAS.
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as you are more likely to see a car accident vic than a gunshot vic. we should proly ban cars as well
 
Gambino said:
what's your fastest mile on the stair climber?
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I dunno, does riding an elliptical mile count ;)

My grip is pittifull so my non-strap DL isn't so good.
...with straps, you'd call bullshit :D.
 
Gambino said:
as you are more likely to see a car accident vic than a gunshot vic. we should proly ban cars as well
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the comparison is between guns and AAS, so i was comparing as such.

ps - how many injuries are intentionally caused by cars?
 
Ulcasterdropout said:
My grip is pittifull so my non-strap DL isn't so good.
...with straps, you'd call bullshit :D.
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say when your smith squatting, do you include your bodyweight for total poundage?
 
Gambino said:
proly quite a few with the drunk driving scene.
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even when a person is drunk, i find it unlikely that they consciously think about intentionally hitting someone/something with their car unless they're psychotic or delusional.

anyway, so long as both are used responsibly and safely i don't have any problems with guns or AAS.
 
Gambino said:
say when your smith squatting, do you include your bodyweight for total poundage?
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No. :confused:
I only use the smith on legs for calve raises, never Sq.
 
I'd ban the word G.

Then Gambino would be ambino...and we'd all get a good laugh cause that's stupid.
 
Optimus B said:
even when a person is drunk, i find it unlikely that they consciously think about intentionally hitting someone/something with their car unless they're psychotic or delusional.
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I'm gonna nit pick cause i'm bored. In the court's eyes a drunken driving accident/arrest you are considered intenionally responsible. you cannot say " I was wasted and therefore am not responsible"
 
crak600 said:
you'd ban the WORD G? i thought G was a letter.
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lol...the miracles of the canuck education....i meant the letter G...

...actually no...the number G....
 
Gambino said:
say when your smith squatting, do you include your bodyweight for total poundage?
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You're obsessed with the Smith Machine....:lmao:
I remember the Digger smith bench poll.
The smith curling poll....with Fonz. :FRlol:
 
Gambino said:
I'm gonna nit pick cause i'm bored. In the court's eyes a drunken driving accident/arrest you are considered intenionally responsible. you cannot say " I was wasted and therefore am not responsible"
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regardless, in the vast majority of cases the person themself does not consciously think that they will use a car to intentionally cause injury to another. of course there's always responsibility since people should be held accountable for their actions, but in the case of a MVA, there is usually no intent to injure.

alternatively, injuries by firearms can be accidents (accidental discharge, hunting accident, etc) but there is a significant portion that are due to a scenario in which the perpetrator consciously wants to injure the victim.
 
I would ban canadian right to rule so that we (USA) can unload our overbloated pop to the canadian lands.
 
Optimus B said:
ya, looked to be for a bit. i was scrolling through this thread and he had "banned" under his name. seems to be rectified now.
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he was banned for a few minutes
 
crak600 said:
doesn't a Class III permit make it legal to own both though? i am pretty sure you can own full auto weapons with a Class III permit.
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yes, you can own a DIAS, so long it is one made before the machine gun ban took effect and it is registered with the BATF....this little piece of metal will set you back 10-12g's. i am not kidding.

those DIAS you see for sale in the back of many gun ads going for $200 bucks are not registered, and they are a good way to land yourself in prison for 20 years.

you can own full auto anything, so long as it is made before 1984, you have a class III permit, and pay a $200 transfer tax on it.
 
crak600
doesn't a Class III permit make it legal to own both though? i am pretty sure you can own full auto weapons with a Class III permit.
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p0ink said:
yes, you can own a DIAS, so long it is one made before the machine gun ban took effect and it is registered with the BATF....this little piece of metal will set you back 10-12g's. i am not kidding.

those DIAS you see for sale in the back of many gun ads going for $200 bucks are not registered, and they are a good way to land yourself in prison for 20 years.

you can own full auto anything, so long as it is made before 1984, you have a class III permit, and pay a $200 transfer tax on it.
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Pretty sure a class 3 lic. is for dealers and not for personal collection use.

But I do know that p0ink is right about the $200 transfer tax fee, there's a form you need to fill out (can't remember which now) and it needs to be signed by local law enforcement.
 
velvett said:
Pretty sure a class 3 lic. is for dealers and not for personal collection use.

But I do know that p0ink is right about the $200 transfer tax fee, there's a form you need to fill out (can't remember which now) and it needs to be signed by local law enforcement.
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a dealer that works in full-auto/select fire weapons must be a class III dealer. but in order to buy a MG, you need to have a class III permit as well. it's not the same form a dealer needs to have filled out, but it's still for a class III.

this is how it works.

i find a machine gun i want to buy. i place an order for it, pay them, and have it sent to a class III dealer. you go to your dealer and have him mail the dealer you are purchasing the machine gun from his FFL and SOT.

the weapon will then be transferred from the seller to your dealer on BATF Form 3, but it will take a couple of weeks depending on the backlog the BATF has.

the weapon will then be shipped to your class III dealer depending on when the BATF approves BATF Form 3 of the transfer.

the class III dealer will then transfer the weapon to you on BATF Form 4. Once it is approved by the BATF, which will take a couple of months (no joke), you will then be able to actually pick up and own your machine gun.

so, you are looking at the cost of the firearm (10k-40k depending on what you get), the cost of shipping (most will be overnighted or 2nd day air...could be around $100), the transfer fee of your dealer (usually $100 just for having it shipped to him and him doing the paperwork), and your tax stamp ($200).

full auto firearms are not cheap.
 
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