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Which prohormones build muscle better than steroids???

Oh yes there is. You guys obviously have never tried prohormones. I new I was going to get several repleys like this.
 
stringfellow said:
Oh yes there is. You guys obviously have never tried prohormones. I new I was going to get several repleys like this.
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Then why did you ask, and why dont you tell us if you know all this ?? I have alot of experiance with prohormones, some work well, but you are very wrong non the less, no comparison
 
There are several prohormones that outdo steroids. Some steroids that can be easily outdone by prohormones are winny and primobolan. Anybody with personal knowledge care to share their experiences?
 
lol, no, they cant
 
stringfellow said:
There are several prohormones that outdo steroids. Some steroids that can be easily outdone by prohormones are winny and primobolan. Anybody with personal knowledge care to share their experiences?
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Not when you factor in the low sides of winny and primo. Most prohormones are just precursors to real roids, now that both are illegal why would you go with a ph? Are you in the supplement industry, or do you just like arguing with people on discussion boards?
 
Yes they can. And I am sure that I am not the only one who feels this way. Have you ever tried stanozolol alone? How about 1-androstenediol? Can you honestly tell me that stanozolol builds more muslce then 1-androstenediol? I am just saying that prohormones have been given a very bad rap by steroid users. They are commonly referred to by steroid users as ineffective or a waste of money and I can say from personal experience that that is not the case. Prohormones should be given the respect that they deserve after all they are really steroids with a just a low conversion rate. I also believe that some prohormones can outdo some steroids.
 
Anthony Starks said:
Not when you factor in the low sides of winny and primo. Most prohormones are just precursors to real roids, now that both are illegal why would you go with a ph? Are you in the supplement industry, or do you just like arguing with people on discussion boards?
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No I am not in the supplement industry and I am not trying to start an argument. I am only trying to get some feedback from other users who have personal experience and wish to share.
 
At recommended dosage, I strongly doubt that any prohormone will out do any
steroid, even those such as primo. Now, if you want to be a dumb ass like I was and
triple the dose, then yes you will see pretty good results. However, the side effects at that dose are far worse than I've gotten even from dbol.
 
stringfellow said:
No I am not in the supplement industry and I am not trying to start an argument. I am only trying to get some feedback from other users who have personal experience and wish to share.
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Try the supplement board then, you are not going to find anyone on your side on a STERIOD DISCUSSION BOARD. Most AS users know that ph are going to cost more, and have either more sides or less results than real steriods, so good luck with your noble quest to get them "the respect that they deserve."
 
"Can you honestly tell me that stanozolol builds more muslce then 1-androstenediol"
YES
"I also believe that some prohormones can outdo some steroids."
not a very good arguement

where is satchboogie when you need someone to defend primo lol

you go spend $500 on prohormones, ill spend $500 on my next cycle and well post our results here in 3 months.
 
Apexx said:
At recommended dosage, I strongly doubt that any prohormone will out do any
steroid, even those such as primo. Now, if you want to be a dumb ass like I was and
triple the dose, then yes you will see pretty good results. However, the side effects at that dose are far worse than I've gotten even from dbol.
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Which prohormone did you triple the dose on? Any you also mentioned that you had some good results also what type of gains did you make?Thanks
 
Anthony Starks said:
Try the supplement board then, you are not going to find anyone on your side on a STERIOD DISCUSSION BOARD. Most AS users know that ph are going to cost more, and have either more sides or less results than real steriods, so good luck with your noble quest to get them "the respect that they deserve."
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Do you do this with everybody? I never said they was better or worse either way this is an educational post nothing more nothing less. If you want somebody to argue with go to a chat room I hear young kids that like to argue like you hang out there.
 
stringfellow said:
Which prohormone did you triple the dose on? Any you also mentioned that you had some good results also what type of gains did you make?Thanks
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Please... just leave. People are going to start hitting you up with serious red if you keep this stupid inflamatory thread up. Walk away. :rolleyes:
 
stringfellow said:
Which prohormone did you triple the dose on? Any you also mentioned that you had some good results also what type of gains did you make?Thanks
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I already know what you're thinking. Don't be a dumb ass like I was.

In my own twisted head I thought,
"hey I've done plently of real cycles before. I should be able to handle at least doubling or even tripling these dosages. It's legal, how bad could the sides really be"

There were times when I couldn't even get out of bed because I
was so fucked up by that shit. It definitely was NOT worth it.
 
DaveTSI said:
"Can you honestly tell me that stanozolol builds more muslce then 1-androstenediol"
YES
"I also believe that some prohormones can outdo some steroids."
not a very good arguement

where is satchboogie when you need someone to defend primo lol

you go spend $500 on prohormones, ill spend $500 on my next cycle and well post our results here in 3 months.
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Once again I am not defending prohormones and I am not trying to get anybody to take my side whatever side you may believe that that is. I am just trying to get some feedback from people who have personal experience and have had results comparable or better than steroids using prohormones. Thanks
 
Apexx said:
I already know what you're thinking. Don't be a dumb ass like I was.

In my own twisted head I thought,
"hey I've done plently of real cycles before. I should be able to handle at least doubling or even tripling these dosages. It's legal, how bad could the sides really be"

There were times when I couldn't even get out of bed because I
was so fucked up by that shit. It definitely was NOT worth it.
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Thanks
 
i tried a couple cycles with prohormones when i was in highschool, and then i did a cycle of sus/dbol a couple years later and well...the rest is history. prohormones do NOT compare in any way shape or form to the real thing.
 
stringfellow said:
Once again I am not defending prohormones and I am not trying to get anybody to take my side whatever side you may believe that that is. I am just trying to get some feedback from people who have personal experience and have had results comparable or better than steroids using prohormones. Thanks
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I've used everything out there, NOTHING comes close dollar per Dollar, I did mass quanities Norabol had to take 16 caps per day to get decent results, at $49 per bottle 120 caps i spent more there,then what i use on a cycle, and dd not keep any gains...so to sum it up No............prohormones cannot compare.



RADAR
 
RADAR said:
I've used everything out there, NOTHING comes close dollar per Dollar, I did mass quanities Norabol had to take 16 caps per day to get decent results, at $49 per bottle 120 caps i spent more there,then what i use on a cycle, and dd not keep any gains...so to sum it up No............prohormones cannot compare.



RADAR
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Thanks radar, was you using ergopharm's norandrodiol select 300?
 
You just said PHs are better than maybe THE BEST steroid made.

Who needs Primo, when you can have Andro!!! :p :p

stringfellow said:
There are several prohormones that outdo steroids. Some steroids that can be easily outdone by prohormones are winny and primobolan. Anybody with personal knowledge care to share their experiences?
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DiamondCutCows said:
You just said PHs are better than maybe THE BEST steroid made.

Who needs Primo, when you can have Andro!!! :p :p
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Thats it, DiamondCutCows for mod. I officially agree with everything you type.
 
I did a 3-week cycle of Dermabolics S1+ and Big-1. The strength gains were not quite like winstrol, but considerable none the less. A bit stronger than turanabol. The magic with 1-test was that I couldn't exhaust no matter what. And I was never sore the next day. Could have been pumping 2x a day ez. Growth was fine too. However, I lost virtually all my gains, even with proper PCT. And my nipples was kinda sensitive. Suck my titties.. oooh yeees!
 
vio said:
I did a 3-week cycle of Dermabolics S1+ and Big-1. The strength gains were not quite like winstrol, but considerable none the less. A bit stronger than turanabol. The magic with 1-test was that I couldn't exhaust no matter what. And I was never sore the next day. Could have been pumping 2x a day ez. Growth was fine too. However, I lost virtually all my gains, even with proper PCT. And my nipples was kinda sensitive. Suck my titties.. oooh yeees!
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Thanks for the feedback vio
 
Anthony Starks said:
Thats it, DiamondCutCows for mod. I officially agree with everything you type.
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:king:
 
before my cycle I ran every pro-hormone that was on the market, in the end at much higher than the label dose, and got absolutely zero for my troubles. My first cycle cost about half of what that experiment did, and gained me 28lbs
I cant believe this is even a serious post
 
Is that multiple posts from you today? Whats going on with you bro? Competing again soon?

needsize said:
before my cycle I ran every pro-hormone that was on the market, in the end at much higher than the label dose, and got absolutely zero for my troubles. My first cycle cost about half of what that experiment did, and gained me 28lbs
I cant believe this is even a serious post
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one post u say ph are better then next post you say completely opposite,,

StrangeFellow
 
shortstack said:
ill make sure to let the c and c peeps know that you think they are all little kids, and we'll see how much longer your here, lol
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SS When I just saw you were the last to post to this highly valued thread I couldn't help but coming back to say what you had to say to rocket man :)
 
shortstack said:
ill make sure to let the c and c peeps know that you think they are all little kids, and we'll see how much longer your here, lol
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Want me to bomb him Shorty? :evil:
 
If you can't tell, no one agreesthat prohormones can outdo steroids. Not a single person has said anything agreeing with you and you continue to say 'someone has to agree with me'. Obviously no one does. Your approach is completely wrong and I'm suprised you havn't been bombed. This doesn't belong in the steroid board. If any prohormone would outdo a steroid, don't you think we'd use that prohormone instead? Christ use your fucking head.

Chris
 
indy69camaro said:
SS When I just saw you were the last to post to this highly valued thread I couldn't help but coming back to say what you had to say to rocket man :)
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what can i say im a crowd pleaser!

but unfortunatly, i wont be on the forum as much anymore.
 
Lol stringfellow, you gave me red karma for my post. I didn't insult you in any way, just proved that you got your answer and that no one agrees with you. What a little bitch lol. Everyone feel free to send him the red with my name as the reason!!

Chris


If you can't tell, no one agrees that prohormones can outdo steroids. Not a single person has said anything agreeing with you and you continue to say 'someone has to agree with me'. Obviously no one does. Your approach is completely wrong and I'm suprised you havn't been bombed. This doesn't belong in the steroid board. If any prohormone would outdo a steroid, don't you think we'd use that prohormone instead? Christ use your fucking head.
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stringfellow said:
Once again I am not defending prohormones and I am not trying to get anybody to take my side whatever side you may believe that that is. I am just trying to get some feedback from people who have personal experience and have had results comparable or better than steroids using prohormones. Thanks
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first p/h i ever tried was M1t for 4 weeks.

second oral i tried was d-bol for 4 weeks.

not even close my friend, i felt worse on M1t and it can never compare with the results from d-bol.
 
I used 3 Androstenedione , bad estate : couldnt sleep extremely androgenic horny as a dog , almost no gains or very poor , at 100mg/day .
20 mg of Dbol could get more serious gains and almost cant feel the sides
Andro is good 4 sex in my opinion ,not 4 BB .
 
DiamondCutCows said:
Is that multiple posts from you today? Whats going on with you bro? Competing again soon?
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I actually had a few minutes to spare today, as far as competing, probably in the fall
 
First, the name prohormone is a misnomer...let's just call them what they were until recently, OTC steroids.

MG for MG I get better gains with injectable 1-test cypionate than tren acetate. The sides vs benefits is up to the user but I prefer the sides from 1-test over tren. I'll take a little lethargy that clears up after two weeks over night sweats and insomnia any day. It was also A LOT cheaper at roughly $3.00 per gram and easier to convert.

M1T is far superior to methyl-test as far as sides vs gains, I've never had so many sides from a drug in my life and gains were minimal in comparison to sides. IMO, Primo is useless unless you are extremely worried about sides, have a reliable source, dieting, and have a lot of money to blow. Offer me $1,000.00 worth of primo vs $1,000.00 of what I was paying for 4-ad cypionate powder and I'll take the 4-ad cypionate.

However, nothing compares to my favorites...test and EQ... If you didn't have a good source and had to pay "gym prices" or were worried about legal issues "pro-hormones" were an excellent option. Now that they are legally the same there is no point, just find a good powder source.
 
JavaGuru said:
First, the name prohormone is a misnomer...let's just call them what they were until recently, OTC steroids.

MG for MG I get better gains with injectable 1-test cypionate than tren acetate. The sides vs benefits is up to the user but I prefer the sides from 1-test over tren. I'll take a little lethargy that clears up after two weeks over night sweats and insomnia any day. It was also A LOT cheaper at roughly $3.00 per gram and easier to convert.

M1T is far superior to methyl-test as far as sides vs gains, I've never had so many sides from a drug in my life and gains were minimal in comparison to sides. IMO, Primo is useless unless you are extremely worried about sides, have a reliable source, dieting, and have a lot of money to blow. Offer me $1,000.00 worth of primo vs $1,000.00 of what I was paying for 4-ad cypionate powder and I'll take the 4-ad cypionate.

However, nothing compares to my favorites...test and EQ... If you didn't have a good source and had to pay "gym prices" or were worried about legal issues "pro-hormones" were an excellent option. Now that they are legally the same there is no point, just find a good powder source.
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I completely agree. Ph's when taken properly are far superior than many mainstream AAS and are cheaper dollar for dollar. And as you mention Ph's are technically AAS with many having roots to GD Searle and Company.
 
i have taken many cycles of what they called equabolan from andabolicstore.com which was a prohormone and i made some great gains of quality muscle then i went to the real shit although i have only done a few various types of stait test cycles with out a doubt the ph's dont even come close not to mention the price it would be crazy to buy ph over roids..........
 
stringfellow said:
Yes they can. And I am sure that I am not the only one who feels this way. Have you ever tried stanozolol alone? How about 1-androstenediol? Can you honestly tell me that stanozolol builds more muslce then 1-androstenediol? I am just saying that prohormones have been given a very bad rap by steroid users. They are commonly referred to by steroid users as ineffective or a waste of money and I can say from personal experience that that is not the case. Prohormones should be given the respect that they deserve after all they are really steroids with a just a low conversion rate. I also believe that some prohormones can outdo some steroids.
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Tell us all about it then if you think that's the case. Don't just sit there and get flamed. Tell us exactly which ones are better than others, besides your little 1-ad is better than winny rant. You claim to have personal experience so........fucking share it jackass! Don't just start this thread and then not say anything worth reading. As for people here saying that these once-legal supps didn't work, well, they are also full of shit as well. 90% of the "prohormones" out there didn't work, BUT there were a few that did work(granted, with a lot of sides) but they still worked. M1T for example works well, very well actually. yeah it's got a lot of sides and I felt like shooting myself after three weeks, but I put on some size with it. There are some respected people on this board that are currently using it and are seeing results.....so they are not all useless as some of you put it. However, stringfellow, you are a jackass and they way you are talking will never get you the answers you're looking for, or according to you, "the respect that prohormones deserve". Take it to the supp board and try your luck there.
 
I will shit my pants, if anyone with a physique of a competitive bodybuilder, would actually attest that they got better results with a ph than the real thing. These things may work when you are fairly new, but to an advanced bodybuilder, not a chance!
 
needsize said:
I will shit my pants, if anyone with a physique of a competitive bodybuilder, would actually attest that they got better results with a ph than the real thing. These things may work when you are fairly new, but to an advanced bodybuilder, not a chance!
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THIS GUY HIT THE NAIL RIGHT ON THE HEAD..., CASE CLOSED..
 
M1T worked awesome for me, I'd use it any day over dbol if it weren't for the awful lethargic feeling you get on it.

The rest are junk though as far as I could tell.
 
This is probably not a smart thing for me to post anything considering the fact that much of what I have posted has already been taken waaaaay out of context. First of all this thread was designed to be more of a poll then anything. When I said "which prohormones are better than steroids" I was not necessaraly saying that prohormones were better I was asking a question not stating a fact. You all could have simply said "none" and left it at that. But instead you decided to make this post a me versus you sernerio which was the very last thing that I wanted. I will think twice before ever asking anyones opinion here again I had no idea that it would come with so much animosity. Second if you all have had better gains using steroids then that's great i'm happy for you in fact I expected that's what everybody would say. Just don't take cheap shots at me I am not taking any at you am I??????I only posted a thread that was asking a question nothing more. I never stated that prohormones were better then all steroids only a fool would post such a thing. However I understand that the way that the title to the thread was worded that it could lead you to believe otherwise and for all of you who have taken that personally I apologize. I should have been more careful when I gave the thread a name. Karma was given to all who posted here to state their opinions positive or negative on prohormones and steroids in a mature fashion. Thank you all for you posts.
 
The fact that you even try to defend yourself in this last post is hilarious!!! People responded well enough until you posted back that there were ph's that were better. Go back and read some of your replies. You started posting that people didn't know what they were talking about and that there were ph's that were better. Now you say that there aren't any. Dude you got short term memory or something? Ha ha it's all good, I think anyone knows that Ph's are weak and if not then they don't know shit!!!
 
Two words:

"The Beast"
 
StRoNg_WoN said:
Two words:

"The Beast"
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Two words:

"Tren Bolone"

Two more

"No Contest"

:lmao:
 
Here's my prohormones story:
Last year I experimented with 6-OXO, which is not a prohormone, but I thought it was helping, so I ordered some more online. They accidentally(?) sent me two bottles of 4-AD. I read up on what it was, said f*ck it and tried it out. I seriously gained big time using it. I've weighed about 180-185 lean for several years but now I'm 207 lbs. This was about an 8 week cycle, lifting 2-3 times a week! I got a little fatter but definitely more muscular. My ex-girlfriend even half-jokingly accused me of using steriods. Warning though - I got a slight case of gyno practically overnight about 2 weeks after I stopped (I read about gyno on these forums and now taking nolvadex for that, fingers crossed).

I'm planning on lifting natural for a few months then trying another cycle of 1-AD which I bought right before the ban, this time followed by proper PCT. I doubt prohormones are better than roids but they worked for me.
 
Like has been said, Phs can take you from 190 to 200, but they wont help you cross from 230 to 250. You need REAL steroids for that.
 
pikerules said:
Here's my prohormones story:
Last year I experimented with 6-OXO, which is not a prohormone, but I thought it was helping, so I ordered some more online. They accidentally(?) sent me two bottles of 4-AD. I read up on what it was, said f*ck it and tried it out. I seriously gained big time using it. I've weighed about 180-185 lean for several years but now I'm 207 lbs. This was about an 8 week cycle, lifting 2-3 times a week! I got a little fatter but definitely more muscular. My ex-girlfriend even half-jokingly accused me of using steriods. Warning though - I got a slight case of gyno practically overnight about 2 weeks after I stopped (I read about gyno on these forums and now taking nolvadex for that, fingers crossed).

I'm planning on lifting natural for a few months then trying another cycle of 1-AD which I bought right before the ban, this time followed by proper PCT. I doubt prohormones are better than roids but they worked for me.
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Thanks for your feedback piker I have had some great results using prohormones too and I am 6ft tall and weigh 245lbs with a current max bench press of 400lbs. Some of the prohormones that I have used have given me faster results then some of the steroids that I have used. In the long run I agree that steroids are without a doubt the better long term choice.
 
DiamondCutCows said:
Like has been said, Phs can take you from 190 to 200, but they wont help you cross from 230 to 250. You need REAL steroids for that.
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That is probably true for most people but when I took 1-andro I was 235lbs when I started and 245lbs when I stopped three weeks later and my strength gains were sustantial for such a short period of time. However at the time I had never taken any real anabolic steroids before. Which might have been the reason why I had such good results considering that all of my gains up to that point were all natural.
 
Sinis said:
I completely agree. Ph's when taken properly are far superior than many mainstream AAS and are cheaper dollar for dollar. And as you mention Ph's are technically AAS with many having roots to GD Searle and Company.
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I wouldn't say that they are far superior but a 1-ad cycle did give me better results then what I have had with a stanozolol only cycle.Thanks for your feedback karma to you.
 
BIGCANNONS said:
i have taken many cycles of what they called equabolan from andabolicstore.com which was a prohormone and i made some great gains of quality muscle then i went to the real shit although i have only done a few various types of stait test cycles with out a doubt the ph's dont even come close not to mention the price it would be crazy to buy ph over roids..........
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Agreed prohormones do not compare to raw test.
 
he knows hes wrong, so now instead of getting bombed, he starts shifting his view as to not get owned, you say that you're open to idea's while your first few posts were abrasive and rude. by the rate your going you'll love both just as much tomorrow night.

onr more bs word on this thread consider urself bombed for not only being mentally retarded, but for bombing others for no reason.....
 
Prohormones don't even compare to steroids and if you think different than your crazy and you've never used real steroids.
 
stringfellow said:
Just don't take cheap shots at me I am not taking any at you am I??????
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You took a cheap shot at me and gave me red karma for no reason and ignored the fact that I confronted you about it.

Chris
 
I've just finsihed a cycle of 4-AD and 1-AD and felt crap while on it. Loved the improved recovery and workouts but spent that last week just waiting for it to be over. It's great to feel clean inside again.

Dose was low: 300mg of 1-AD and 150mg of 4-AD ethergels. Gained 3 or 4 pounds over 3 weeks, maybe, and bench went up about 15 pounds, which was my goal, but I've not yet actually tried a new 1RM. Not yet lost any strength coming off as fas as I can tell.

Now if someone wants to compare that with a 3-weeker of dbol or even anavar at a dosage of 450mg per day. :)
 
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Pro-hormones are for pussies! Taking enough of it for it to actually work costs as much or more than a cycle of the real stuff, and it's gains can't compare. The side effects can be harsh, and one can get better gains with less sides using a milder AAS like deca or eq. Thats just comparing the mild shit. Now compare your andro or 4-diol with some d-bol, test or tren...they're not even in the same ballpark.
 
AS are superior ofcourse but........ personally I prefer M1T over DBOL any day of the week!!!, I got awesome gains, no bloat, and mostly was lean gains!!!. As far as M1T better then any real Test no but yeah M1T is superior to a lot of steroids! but not superior to all!! that my .02 cents ohhh in matter of fact I'm taking a cycle right now 1-4 weeks M1T, 1-10 Test E and 1-10 EQ so I put M1T in there instead of DBOL to kick my cycle sooner and I'm on week too so far gained 5lbs no water retention yet!!, went from benching 315lbs for 6 reps to 315lbs for 9 so far!! its all good.!!
 
i usually dont pipe in on heated discussions such as this, but i think stringfellow gets the point. since there are so many different kinds of prohormones available (and i would never use any of them) and there are SO many different kinds of steroids being produced, it is feasible to compare "the best" prohormone to "the weakest" steroid, whereas you MAY find that the PH is a little bit better. of course there are complete garbage 'roids out there on the market. but obviously, overall, prohormones are a waste of money compared to steroids. i was going to write a little more but i believe this thread should die. by the way string, giving someone red karma for no reason isnt too cool, and its no way to make friends around here. on further note, this is one of the BEST boards on the entire internet for learning about juice, and everything that goes along with it. i learned about 95% of what i know about lifting/dieting/juicing/and anything else gym and health related just from researching the endless archives of information here on elite. there are also many sensible and wise members here to learn from. ask any question you please, but make sure you dont offend. i may only have a dozen posts to my credit, but i do not post unless i feel i have something worthwhile to share or ask. perhaps that is why i dont get flamed.
 
well, not to contribute to a heated argument, the used-to-be-marketed prohormones at least on paper were many more times more potent than most, if not all conventional AAS used today.
m1t and mohn - are in fact steroids and methyldienolone, mestanolone and methasteron, just to name a few, are xx times more anabolic/androgenic than testosterone, methandrostenolone (dianobol) and methyl-test. In practice, however, only m1t seemed to shine at the recommeneded dosage, but even others worked quite well at incremented doses (such is the trade-off :( ). Not all that looks good on paper transcends same benefits into reality, sadly.
 
Re:prohormones WILL NOT build muscle better than steroids???

I never get into the bullshit but I will state a fact! JUICE is the shit and prohormones are for pussies! If you want to brag about prohormones then dont do it on a roid website! If you want to be a BIG dawg then you need to use the right tools which is testosterone! Point blank!
S_P
 
Good karma was given to everybody that posted here except for two people. The two that got red karma had already given me red karma. They gave me red karma simply for creating a thread that they did not agree with. Then they told others to give me more red karma for giving them red karma. I simply returned their favor. This is ridiculous. They would love nothing more then for me to argure back and forth with them as to which is better steroids or prohormones. If that is what they want they will have to find somebody else. I have had better results with one type of prohormone over one type of steroid. If you will read some of the post that were made you will find that I am not the only one who has had similar such results. I never said that all prohormones were better than all steroids how many times do I have to keep saying that? Grow up people and stop putting your words in my mouth. If you want to post your personal experiences with prohormones vs steroids then great that is what this thread is for but stop quoting every little thing that I have said in order to fuel your immature attacks against me. And like I have already said I already knew that steroids were superior to most prohormones. And yes it is possable that you might be able to analize everything that I have said piece by piece and find contradictions. Big whoop I am only human and not a lawyer. None of the posts that I have made on this thread were designed to hold up to that kind of scrutiny. Who's are.
 
stringfellow said:
Good karma was given to everybody that posted here except for two people. The two that got red karma had already given me red karma. They gave me red karma simply for creating a thread that they did not agree with. Then they told others to give me more red karma for giving them red karma. I simply returned their favor. This is ridiculous. They would love nothing more then for me to argure back and forth with them as to which is better steroids or prohormones. If that is what they want they will have to find somebody else. I have had better results with one type of prohormone over one type of steroid. If you will read some of the post that were made you will find that I am not the only one who has had similar such results. I never said that all prohormones were better than all steroids how many times do I have to keep saying that? Grow up people and stop putting your words in my mouth. If you want to post your personal experiences with prohormones vs steroids then great that is what this thread is for but stop quoting every little thing that I have said in order to fuel your immature attacks against me. And like I have already said I already knew that steroids were superior to most prohormones. And yes it is possable that you might be able to analize everything that I have said piece by piece and find contradictions. Big whoop I am only human and not a lawyer. None of the posts that I have made on this thread were designed to hold up to that kind of scrutiny. Who's are.
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This is the last post that I will make that is directed towards those that are trying to destroy this thread. All posts on the topic of prohormones and steroids are welcome. To those that want to continue to argue please STOP POSTING IN THIS THREAD. Find someone else to annoy. Thank you.
 
khemix said:
Ha ha you guys aren't going to believe this. I just recieved a PM from our good friend stringfellow.



And my response




:blow: :blow: :blow: :blow: :blow: :blow:

Chris
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let this shit drop, there was never any need to make such a big deal out of any of this, so how about everybody acts like a big boy now and grows up a bit, and moves on
Or if we are going to talk about anabolic board bitches, then I guess the smaller guys can be the bigger guys bitches, same as it works in real life, so line up tough guys, the bitch line starts right here!!!
 
needsize said:
let this shit drop, there was never any need to make such a big deal out of any of this, so how about everybody acts like a big boy now and grows up a bit, and moves on
Or if we are going to talk about anabolic board bitches, then I guess the smaller guys can be the bigger guys bitches, same as it works in real life, so line up tough guys, the bitch line starts right here!!!
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You prove a good point and I'll PM him like I should and edit the message. He's right that we should both forget it and go on. But you just say that cause you're bigger than most everybody else! But traditionally, doesn't it go like that in jail? LOL

Chris
 
stringfellow said:
Do you do this with everybody? I never said they was better or worse either way this is an educational post nothing more nothing less. If you want somebody to argue with go to a chat room I hear young kids that like to argue like you hang out there.
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Actually you did. You are the only person acting like a child on this board. Your first post asked blablablah. THen your next post said that some prohoromones aer better than steroids. :rolleyes:
 
Neo22 said:
Actually you did. You are the only person acting like a child on this board. Your first post asked blablablah. THen your next post said that some prohoromones aer better than steroids. :rolleyes:
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Well said Neo, well said.
 
DaveTSI said:
"Can you honestly tell me that stanozolol builds more muslce then 1-androstenediol"
YES
"I also believe that some prohormones can outdo some steroids."
not a very good arguement

where is satchboogie when you need someone to defend primo lol

you go spend $500 on prohormones, ill spend $500 on my next cycle and well post our results here in 3 months.
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lol,,,very nicely put DaveTSI
bet he don't hold you up on that offer
 
ryan04 said:
Pro-hormones are for pussies! Taking enough of it for it to actually work costs as much or more than a cycle of the real stuff, and it's gains can't compare. The side effects can be harsh, and one can get better gains with less sides using a milder AAS like deca or eq. Thats just comparing the mild shit. Now compare your andro or 4-diol with some d-bol, test or tren...they're not even in the same ballpark.
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Speaking as someone who has done numerous cycles of both I can say if I could only have two drugs to take for the rest of my life they would be test and eq. However, if 4-ad cypionate and 1-test cypionate were still legal and cost/sourcing was an issue I would probably never use anything else again. I was paying less than $4.00 per gram after conversion was factored into the equation. If I could have an unlimited supply of trenbolone acetate or 1-test cypionate I would STILL choose 1-test cypionate. I can name a number of "pro-hormones" that are superior to "real gear." Every pro-hormone I experimented with was far superior to methyl-test in gains/sides, even the harsh m1t is far superior IMO.
 
Methyl 1 test was pretty good the rest all suck and do absolutley nothing but shut down your natural test production and blow you up with estrogen.
 
i bought some delta-1-cypionate - 2 bottles of it from syn right before they outlawed them. Just for fun, i want to run a 6 week cycle of this just to see if I gain anything more substantial than the juice that i am currently on (I DOUBT IT). I have done a 2 week on, 2 week 0ff over a period of 8 weeks of MAG-10, which was pretty good for being a ph, but I have always lost what I gained in the end, and got bloated. But nothing compares to the real deal. Steroids are what made Arnold the MACHINE. :)
 
Neo22 said:
Actually you did. You are the only person acting like a child on this board. Your first post asked blablablah. THen your next post said that some prohoromones aer better than steroids. :rolleyes:
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This whole thread would have been better phrased as "Which steroids are so weak as to be comparable with prohormones?". He'd have had some sensible answers and we'd all have gone home happy.
:chomp:
 
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