which cycle is better for overall quality gains?

[thalongrun]

I want quality gains nothing big, but get harder leaner without people seeing a noticable bloat but mainly just want strength. These are my only choices..no other steroids! 1st cycle please select A,B,C.

A) WEEK 1 deca 250mg
2 deca 250mg
3 deca 250mg winny 50mg eod
4 deca 250mg winny 50mg eod
5 deca 250mg winny 50mg eod
6 deca 250mg winny 50mg eod
7 deca 250mg winny 50mg eod
8 deca 250mg winny 50mg eod

B) WEEK 1 winny 100mg eod
2 winny 100mg eod
3 winny 100mg eod
4 winny 100mg eod
5 winny 100mg eod
6 winny 100mg eod

C) Week1 deca 250mg winny 75mg eod
week 2 deca 250 winny 75mg eod
week 3 deca 250 winny 75mg eod
week 4 deca 250 winny 75mg e0d
week 5 deca 250 winny 75mg eod
week 6 deca 250 winny 75mg eod
week 7 deca 250 winny 75mg eod
week 8 deca 250 winny 75 mg eod


...an of cource clomid after the cycle.
Your imput will mean alot thanks!

 

[TxLonghorn]

well, obviously C, because you are doing more stuff. I think the winny will do better if you keep levels steady, i.e. every day as opposed to eod.

If you can, try the deca 250/week and winny 50/ed. I think you will see good gains. But the 3 cycles you posted are very similar, and that would mean similar gains. If you do winny 100/eod, you will still see gains. Just go with whatever you want.

 

[lawnsaver]

Do this:

week 1 to 8: 250mg of deca
week 3 to 8: 25mg of winny, twice a day orally.

clomid as therapy.

 

[MUSTANG_18]

I like Lawnsavers cycle, go with that and you will not be disapointed. I would up the Deca to 400mg/week if possable. Good Luck on your cycle!

M18

 

[guards]

I'm with mustang.....up the deca to 400

 

[GonnaBeAGearHead]

cycle suggestion

If you are worried about water bloat I would look into arimidex. I would add some test to that cycle and run it like this.

wk***test***deca***winny***arimidex***clomid
1****500****400*************.25**********
2****500****400*************.25**********
3****500****400*************.25**********
4****500****400*************.25**********
5****500****400****50*******.25**********
6****500****400****50*******.25**********
7****500****400****50*******.25**********
8****500****400****50*******.25**********
9****500****400****50*******.25**********
10***500****400****50*******.25**********
11**************************************
12**************************************
13**********************************100**
14***********************************50**
15***********************************50**

If people still notice any water gain you could always tell them it must be your mega mass 2000 kicking in...man that stuff is an ass kicker

 

[athlete03]

deca can aromatize so make sure you have precautionary drugs on hand m'kay

 

[lawnsaver]

Guys...Guys. Why does everybody add things, up the dosesand basically change everything. I understand everyone wants to help, but its overkill.

The long run
If this is all you can get go with my cycle. If you can get more, up your deca to 400mg and extend the winny all the way through.

 

[thalongrun]

Lawnsaver I could actually up the dose of deca to 400 a week for 10 weeks and have the winny week 4-10 a 25mg every day but this is what Im worried about....

Progeterone linked sides(how realistic are they with 400 a week) a bloat that is noticable, and strech marks from geting to big too fast. I refuse to use test on my first few cycles I'll save it for later.

By the way I know everyone is different but what could a novice steroid user expect from this cycle. Keep in mind my stats naturally are age 21 6'0 180 bench 315 squat 370 bf%10. I do alot of cardio and I want to stay lean no matter what.

Thanks for the comments all are apreciated

 

[lawnsaver]

At 400mg, 25mg of winny will do the trick. If you dont want the size keep the dose at 250mg. I would still run it for 10 weeks. It sounds like your geneticly well off. You are probably going to react well to gear. I think you will be fine on what ever dose your choice.

 

[wildage99]

c...

 

[BoomBoom]

Do the deca at 400mg per week with 25-50mg winny ed.
But if progesterone is what you are worried about the 25mg every day will be effective for the prevention of unwanted sides.

Lata-
Boomboom

 

[lawnsaver]

deca can aromatize so make sure you have precautionary drugs on hand m'kay

What does deca aromatize to? What drugs should I take?

 

[TxLonghorn]

I thought deca did not aromatize, and that it only stimulated the progesterone receptor, which is why winny can sometimes help. Winny binds to the receptor, but does not stimulate it.

 

[lawnsaver]

I thought deca did not aromatize, and that it only stimulated the progesterone receptor, which is why winny can sometimes help. Winny binds to the receptor, but does not stimulate it.

I was seeing where is was going with that. Deca does basically what you said. He must have read in Anabolic 2000. It says that deca can convert to estrogen, which we all know is not true. So nolvadex, arimidex, and proviron wont work.

 

[athlete03]

Yeah, lawnsaver, I was under the impression that deca could aromatize to estrogen. It wasn't just in anabolics 2000. Drug profiles, such as Bill Robert's, state that it can also. If I'm wrong, I apologize for spreading misinformation.