Whey Isolate vs. Chicken

[mikefear]

I was laying in bed last night and I had a thought about Whey Isolate and Chicken..

In about 100g of skinless chicken, there is 22g of protein and 116 calories..

My question is, why do some people eat chicken so religiously while they are bulking? It would take an enormous amount of chicken to be calorically significant, and if doing it for the protein -- it's easily covered by drinkin 2-3 well sized protein drinks.. You would need pounds and pounds of chicken per day in order to reach the same amount of protein you'd get from some simple whey drinks..

To me, it just seems that I'd rather waste the space in my stomach with something more calorically dense (this is for a bulker, obviously) and just get my protein from a supplement.. I wouldnt want to have to eat a pound of chicken in one sitting just to get 400 calories..

Anyway, just wondering what you guys do and what your thoughts are.

 

[bca21]

You make a good point. I guess i just like whole foods instead of downing shakes. But i undertand what your saying

 

[mikefear]

You make a good point. I guess i just like whole foods instead of downing shakes. But i undertand what your saying

Yeah, I guess there is something to be said for real food.. maybe? lol..

I asked Ulter this question and he did point out that the biggest guys he knows all eat chicken... then I came up with the theory that perhaps if they are so disciplined, to the point that they can prepare 5 chicken meals a day, perhaps they're entire lives (including bodybuilding) are that much more disciplined, thus they are bigger.

 

[Kick-Ass Stack]

I've been trying to take less shakes and eat more actual food. I'm cutting so I guess this is useless to you but I think the more real food you can eat the better. Shakes are supplements if you can't eat properly.

Of course the diet info I'm getting could be totally off.

 

[mikefear]

I just get so full from chicken, and by the time i'm fiull it's only been like 300 calories

 

[ErikZ]

Try steak?!

 

[gjohnson5]

a diet should be balanced. Getting your protein from lean meats definitly a good idea. And yes I agree that beef is very calorie dense. But the fat in the beef is what makes it calorie dense. So if you are looking for calories , try MCTs or Omega 3,6,9 fatty acids , not protein

 

[CO B-man]

Your body can absorb Whey protien much better than it can chicken. However, in high doses, whey protien can overload your liver just saw that today in an article. I live by whey protien and refuse to stuff myself with chicken. I believe most people probably choose chicken because of the fat content even though beef has a higher BV rating than chicken. Also second to the biological value of whet protien is the incredible edible egg!!!

 

[gjohnson5]

Your body can absorb Whey protien much better than it can chicken. However, in high doses, whey protien can overload your liver just saw that today in an article. I live by whey protien and refuse to stuff myself with chicken. I believe most people probably choose chicken because of the fat content even though beef has a higher BV rating than chicken. Also second to the biological value of whet protien is the incredible edible egg!!!

I find that chicken goes down very easy for me. Digestive enzymes make proteins go down even easier. Your liver has to work no matter what protein you digest

Egg and Milk have the same Protein Digestibility Corrected Amino Acid Score which is 1

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Whole food is always better than a protein shake..

 

[Jabs]

I used to do 50% real food and 50% shakes and had decent gains but a few years ago I dropped the shakes out of my diet almost completely and I'm having a lot better gains. I think shakes can help enhance the diet and they are easy but they just don't compare to real food. When I get lazy I or don't have time I will drink one but other than that not to often.

 

[CO B-man]

I used to do 50% real food and 50% shakes and had decent gains but a few years ago I dropped the shakes out of my diet almost completely and I'm having a lot better gains. I think shakes can help enhance the diet and they are easy but they just don't compare to real food. When I get lazy I or don't have time I will drink one but other than that not to often.

Without some kind of protien supplement/shake it is hard to get to 1.5 grams per body weight. besides who can turn down meat! chickens their eggs, cows, pigs, fish I love em all! Especially the steaks!

 

[Silent Method]

Big fan of eating real foods, but I'm also a big fan of whey. Really, whey is a real food. It's not synthetic and, although it was often widely and notoriously a waste product in modern food processing, it is a classic dairy food that has been used in many form for centuries.

Our modern isolates, hydroslates, etc., are nothing to be ashamed of as foods. As a food that's going to pump nitrogen into your body, whey kicks meats ass!

 

[forcedoutage]

I think a good whey shake is important post workout. And I always have one.

I eat 6 meals a day and about 400 grams of protein. Usually 2 chicken meals, 1 fish meal, and one pork meal, and 2 protien shakes.

I will add one red meat meal a week in place of the pork meal.

Your body can only digest/process "x" amount of Protein at a time. If your food is digested slowly, you will digest more of it and if it is digested quickly, you will digest less of it once you hit you "x" amount. It is a different amount for everyone.

You will piss out a whole lot of protein if you are eating 60 plus grams of fast digesting protein per meal. We get Urine screeing and physicals at work quarterly, and when I am supplementing heavy with Fast acting (Whey) Protein I always have an extremly high protein level in my urine.

So I think when you get to the point where you are having to eat extremely high amoutns of protein per meal, whole foods will do best for you. But I just can't fix 6 meals, so I will likely always have 1-2 shakes a day lol

 

[CO B-man]

Big fan of eating real foods, but I'm also a big fan of whey. Really, whey is a real food. It's not synthetic and, although it was often widely and notoriously a waste product in modern food processing, it is a classic dairy food that has been used in many form for centuries.

Our modern isolates, hydroslates, etc., are nothing to be ashamed of as foods. As a food that's going to pump nitrogen into your body, whey kicks meats ass!

Whey definately has the highest biological value of all forms of protien, then eggs then beef then chicken I do not know where fish is in thie mix but it is a good form
Whey is like the curdle in milk just before it becomes cheese.

Little miss muffet sat on her tuffet eating her curds (Cheese curds) and whey. Real Mozzarella cheese is sold with it etc.

 

[gjohnson5]

Whey is like the curdle in milk just before it becomes cheese.

Little miss muffet sat on her tuffet eating her curds (Cheese curds) and whey. Real Mozzarella cheese is sold with it etc.

LOL

 

[CO B-man]

LOL

She had big muscles too.

 

[Cauliflower Ear]

food over supps any day all day

 

[Silent Method]

I think a good whey shake is important post workout. And I always have one.

I eat 6 meals a day and about 400 grams of protein. Usually 2 chicken meals, 1 fish meal, and one pork meal, and 2 protien shakes.

I will add one red meat meal a week in place of the pork meal.

Your body can only digest/process "x" amount of Protein at a time. If your food is digested slowly, you will digest more of it and if it is digested quickly, you will digest less of it once you hit you "x" amount. It is a different amount for everyone.

You will piss out a whole lot of protein if you are eating 60 plus grams of fast digesting protein per meal. We get Urine screeing and physicals at work quarterly, and when I am supplementing heavy with Fast acting (Whey) Protein I always have an extremly high protein level in my urine.

So I think when you get to the point where you are having to eat extremely high amoutns of protein per meal, whole foods will do best for you. But I just can't fix 6 meals, so I will likely always have 1-2 shakes a day lol

You just hit the protein or do you have carbs with the shake? Some high gi carbs and high bv protein (read "whey") in a 4:1 ratio make an awesome post-exercise tool.

Regarding the amount of protein one can digest at one sitting, the amount goes up as bv goes up, and even at the top of the bv chart, form has a big impact. You can absorb buckets of whey hydroslate assuming in one sitting. Still, there is a limit to nitrogen retention.

 

[get456]

Whole food is always better than a protein shake..

I see people say/post that all the time...

Does anyone actually know why? Can someone post scientific evidence that proves that is the case? Or some source that specifically documents why that is?

I would be very interested as I question whether our bodies know the difference...

 

[CO B-man]

I see people say/post that all the time...

Does anyone actually know why? Can someone post scientific evidence that proves that is the case? Or some source that specifically documents why that is?

I would be very interested as I question whether our bodies know the difference...

Here are my reasons
Tastes better.
Bloody
you can chew it

Besides there is enough sterroids in farm animals before they go to slaughter that their blood is a nice stack with your cycle. LOL!

 

[forcedoutage]

My post workout shakes are heavy Carb shakes as well. 60 grams Hydrol whey and 80 carbs.

Taste like Crap lol

 

[gautho]

Whole food is always better than a protein shake..

right on.

 

[Silent Method]

I see people say/post that all the time...

Does anyone actually know why? Can someone post scientific evidence that proves that is the case? Or some source that specifically documents why that is?

I would be very interested as I question whether our bodies know the difference...

Well, if our diets were pure, isolated macronutrient supplements, we'd get no vitamins, minerals, enzymes, phytochemicals, fiber, etc. Of course we can supplment those too...

I'm happy to eat whole food, but very thankful I can tweak my diet in any number of ways.



"Whole food" is NOT optimal in many cases, a well designed post-exercise meal is a good example.

 

[instant.muscle]

i have always heard chicken has tons of growth hormones in it

 

[Wulfgar]

for years I did the post workout Whey shake
Ive recently over the past year done the post workout whole food meal(chicken, rice, corn, bread, etc,)
HUGE difference.
whole food isthe wya to go. just make sure to chew well...

 

[Silent Method]

for years I did the post workout Whey shake
Ive recently over the past year done the post workout whole food meal(chicken, rice, corn, bread, etc,)
HUGE difference.
whole food isthe wya to go. just make sure to chew well...

I never do just a whey shake after working out, if I can help it. I do a big gulp of high gi carbs and high bv protein - eat the shake immediately after exercise, big meal 45-60 minutes after

 

[instant.muscle]

after i workout i do the shake and the food routine, plus i workout at 9am and 6pm, food fuckin expensive

 

[T-Matt]

after i workout i do the shake and the food routine, plus i workout at 9am and 6pm, food fuckin expensive

hahaha.. drinking just a protein shake after a hard workout is fucking hilarious if you compare it to what happened in the past.. You think a man back in the 1700s would go run down a wild boar, carry that bitch over 10 miles back to his village, clean it, cook it, and serve it and not want a piece? Instead, he'd crave a nice cocktail of sunflower seeds, wild berries, and green leaves?

Fuck that.. after I'm done lifting I want a big ass juicy steak.. I know I just lifted some symmetrical iron plates in an air conditioned facility wearing a matching outfit, but working out is as close to feeling like a wild caveman as I get to feel on a daily basis.. I'll suck down a protein shake for some 'quality' carbs, but that isn't nearly enough food for me, shit.. it's hardly even an appetizer..

And chicken.. shit, chicken doesn't stick to my ribs like a nice juicy steak does. I'll eat 8 oz of chicken and some greens and a sweet potato and be hungry 45 minutes later. When I eat a steak instead of chicken, my ass feels somewhat full for up to 3 hours..

Real food all day baby!

T-Matt

 

[instant.muscle]

word

 

[CO B-man]

for years I did the post workout Whey shake
Ive recently over the past year done the post workout whole food meal(chicken, rice, corn, bread, etc,)
HUGE difference.
whole food isthe wya to go. just make sure to chew well...

You could blend it and make a shake out of it too if you want! LOL!

 

[devcon]

IF, Chicken - Real > Whey - processed

THEN, Chicken - 100 > Whey - 0

Enjoy & eat your food, don't drink a fake shake!

 

[Twoguns]

I was laying in bed last night and I had a thought about Whey Isolate and Chicken..

In about 100g of skinless chicken, there is 22g of protein and 116 calories..

My question is, why do some people eat chicken so religiously while they are bulking? It would take an enormous amount of chicken to be calorically significant, and if doing it for the protein -- it's easily covered by drinkin 2-3 well sized protein drinks.. You would need pounds and pounds of chicken per day in order to reach the same amount of protein you'd get from some simple whey drinks..

To me, it just seems that I'd rather waste the space in my stomach with something more calorically dense (this is for a bulker, obviously) and just get my protein from a supplement.. I wouldnt want to have to eat a pound of chicken in one sitting just to get 400 calories..

Anyway, just wondering what you guys do and what your thoughts are.

As people have already said, the food will "sit" longer and digest slower allowing your body to uptake the protein. Of course we should bang down the protein post workout for the quick uptake, but I always eat a whole meal one hour after the post workout shake. In addition, have you ever heard of the Thermic effect of food. Your body requires more energy to digest the whole food, especially since some of the enzymes in the whey make the stuff "predigested" it is easier for your body to uptake the nutrient. The thermic effect is useful when cutting because of the temperature raising properties. Bottom line = more caloric expediture with whole food.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermic_effect_of_food

 

[gjohnson5]

IF, Chicken - Real > Whey - processed

THEN, Chicken - 100 > Whey - 0

Enjoy & eat your food, don't drink a fake shake!

I will agree to a certain extent with this. You have to know the % of protein in that tub of whey before making the comparison. There are alot of scams out there especially with the whey protein concentrate products. I only use 100% Isolate products because of this.

 

[javaguru]

I always think it's interesting that people don't consider my milk isolate "real food." Skim milk is "real food" but apparently when the lactose is removed and it's spray dried it suddenly becomes "not real food?" Milk Isolate maintains most of the mineral content of the original milk and the casomorphins make it slow digesting. I think whey protein is extremely over rated as a general use protein, I use it exclusively around my workouts. On a final note, BV is an outdated way of measuring protein quality, it's based on the nutritional needs of rats. The current standard is the PCDAAS which is based on digestability and and the EAA's based on human requirements. Eggs and dairy score a perfect 1.0 while meat is between .8-.95 with beef receiving the highest score. I probably get no more than 50g-60g of protein from meat and around 200g-250g based on shakes and probably another 18g-24g from eggs.