Where?

[nangiggles]

So I need some basic info to see how I'm doing

Usually where do you buy your food? (Walmart, Kmart, Krogger, Publix, Winn Dixie, Target, etc?)
Where do you buy appliances? (Walmart, BestBuy, target, appliances direct, etc)
Where do you buy computers? (bestbuy, staples, office depot, walmart, etc)
where do you buy your cellphone?(direct store of carrier, walmart, radio shack, etc)
Where do you get tires and car stuff done? (chain sotres or local shops)

For tipping info I'll dig up an old thread I remember...

 

[pbhardbody]

So I need some basic info to see how I'm doing

Usually where do you buy your food? (Walmart, Kmart, Krogger, Publix, Winn Dixie, Target, etc?)
Where do you buy appliances? (Walmart, BestBuy, target, appliances direct, etc)
Where do you buy computers? (bestbuy, staples, office depot, walmart, etc)
where do you buy your cellphone?(direct store of carrier, walmart, radio shack, etc)
Where do you get tires and car stuff done? (chain sotres or local shops)

For tipping info I'll dig up an old thread I remember...

Slow day at work huh nan?

Food - Publix mostly. Sometimes Walmart, occassionally Winn Dixie

Computers - online generally

Cellphones - wirefly.com is good. Or direct from carrier.

Tires - chain store - Tire Kingdom is good down here. Other repairs - local shop

Did I win?

 

[Waverly6969]

Food is a tough one because most grocery stores are regional (i.e. Publix is huge in Florida but there are none in the Northeast)

 

[musclemom]

So I need some basic info to see how I'm doing

Usually where do you buy your food? (Walmart, Kmart, Krogger, Publix, Winn Dixie, Target, etc?) You need to ask this one of people who live in your area. The supermarkets I use (Whole Foods, Genardi's) don't necessarily exist in your area.

Where do you buy appliances? (Walmart, BestBuy, target, appliances direct, etc) Price shop, usually comes down choosing between Walmart, BestBuy, BJs - a big box club store - Sears and Target. I'm a bit hesitant on Appliances Direct. When it comes to appliances, I prefer brand names.

Where do you buy computers? (bestbuy, staples, office depot, walmart, etc) None of the above. Go online, my son recommended here for my husband and he's been REALLY happy with it:
Newegg.com - Computer Parts, PC Components, Laptop Computers, LED LCD TV, Digital Cameras and more!
Basically, shop at a store that has a good selection of computers, do some online research, then buy online, WAYYY better deals.

where do you buy your cellphone?(direct store of carrier, walmart, radio shack, etc)Direct from store carrier.

Where do you get tires and car stuff done? (chain sotres or local shops)Found a good - honest - local guy for car repairs. Husband was getting tires through him, as well, may start going to a shop because he recently told me he would prefer a specific brand of tire.

For tipping info I'll dig up an old thread I remember...

Hope something is useful.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

Food: Giant, Mars, Target
Appliances: Target, online
Computers: Online, (or find a GOOD sale in store)
Cell Phone: NEVER from the carrier's store. They all do mail-in rebates and are honestly normally the most poorly priced overall. Don't trust online suppliers either due to reboxing, refurbished phones, along with many stipulations on getting their pricing normally. Go with Best Buy Mobile or Sam's Club-These carry multiple carriers and DO NOT do mail-in rebates, all rebates are instant in store.
Car Stuff: I do on my own, unless Im short on time and have a coupon for a $19 oil change or something. Mr. Tire & Good Year have done ok by me.

-Legacy

 

[twenty47]

walmart and sams for everything lol..anywhere else and you're paying too much. sams does oil changes and tires too i think. I work on my own cars but im sure they are cheap for basic stuff.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

walmart and sams for everything lol..anywhere else and you're paying too much. sams does oil changes and tires too i think. I work on my own cars but im sure they are cheap for basic stuff.

*smh* What are you? One of those Welfare chicks? WALMART FOR EVERYTHING! Horray for WIC checks!

You buy your clothes there too dont you?!

 

[musclemom]

walmart and sams for everything lol..anywhere else and you're paying too much. sams does oil changes and tires too i think. I work on my own cars but im sure they are cheap for basic stuff.

I'm not familiar with Sam's Club but I belong to BJ's and they do tires too. I had a very unpleasant experience with the one and only set of tires I got there. Within 24 hours of having the tire mounted there was a bulge in the sidewall. There was no external damage to the tire, it was caused by the way it was mounted or it was defective, can't remember which. Anyway, getting them to refund it resulted in a LOOOOOONNNNG argument (we actually had to go to a tire specialist and have him examine the tire and get him to back us up, an expert witness, you might say). Screw that shit. You go into a tire dealership they may charge you a few bucks more but you don't deal with bullshit hassels.

But one thing nice about getting older, I'm at the age, and am in a place financially, where I'd rather pay an extra $50 and save myself an hour or two of aggrivation. There was a time when I needed the money more and the aggrivation didn't piss me off so much

 

[twenty47]

*smh* What are you? One of those Welfare chicks? WALMART FOR EVERYTHING! Horray for WIC checks!

You buy your clothes there too dont you?!

no i dont buy any cloths or shoes there but why the fuck would shop anywhere else for food?? other leading store chains cant even beat walmarts everyday prices with their best sale prices..

bro i live 4 mins away from the walmart headquarters. I live here because my dad works for kraft and heads the biggest single food account in the world.. the cost at which walmart buys goods is insane. just by verbal agreements do they promise not to sell things too low so they dont upset the market too much. Agree with their policies or not if you shop somewhere else your just throwing your money away.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

no i dont buy any cloths or shoes there but why the fuck would shop anywhere else for food?? other leading store chains cant even beat walmarts everyday prices with their best sale prices..

bro i live 4 mins away from the walmart headquarters. I live here because my dad works for kraft and heads the biggest single food account in the world.. the cost at which walmart buys goods is insane. just by verbal agreements do they promise not to sell things too low so they dont upset the market too much. Agree with their policies or not if you shop somewhere else your just throwing your money away.

The Wal-Marts here have SHIT for options and always have a ton of generic stuff that is horrible. There are very few "SUPER" Walmarts here that actually have any type of DECENT selection.

 

[twenty47]

The Wal-Marts here have SHIT for options and always have a ton of generic stuff that is horrible. There are very few "SUPER" Walmarts here that actually have any type of DECENT selection.

well forunatley for me both places i have lived recently have had nothing but Super Walmarts. which have more then enough selection then id ever need.

recently walmart has been stepping up their game on the generic stuff. they re did the packaging to all be Great value and have been stepping up the quality. that is what i hear. i havent tried it for myself.

 

[nangiggles]

Well I have noticed that Walmart has decent prices here, like an ice cream that is $4.99 in publix is $2.25 in Walmart, ketchup in publix is $2.30 and $1 at walmart, stuff like that, some stuff is a whole lot cheaper at walmart, and I can also buy those cute Miley Cirus collection clothing (LOL kidding about clothing)

 

[twenty47]

Well I have noticed that Walmart has decent prices here, like an ice cream that is $4.99 in publix is $2.25 in Walmart, ketchup in publix is $2.30 and $1 at walmart, stuff like that, some stuff is a whole lot cheaper at walmart, and I can also buy those cute Miley Cirus collection clothing (LOL kidding about clothing)

if something isnt cheaper at Walmart they will match the price. its very hard to find them being more expensive though. i worked for nabico before and every once in a while kroger could do 2 for 5 on oreos and chips ohoy stuff. most of the time walmarts price is 2.50-2.79 everyday depending on the market.

this one always made me lol. oreos are 2.50 everyday at walmart and a jewel or dominics trys to sell them for 4.89 a peice.. their sale prices were 2 for 6 or 2 for 7 sometimes.. what a joke. and its less fresh because they dont sell nearly as much.

obviously the bb crowd doesnt care too much about nabisco stuff but thats just an example.

 

[redshirt27se]

walmart and sams for everything lol..anywhere else and you're paying too much. sams does oil changes and tires too i think. I work on my own cars but im sure they are cheap for basic stuff.

I get my tires from sam's.. really cheap and they are guaranteed. I got a flat tire, took it to them and they gave me a brand new tire because it couldn't be repaired, no hassles.

 

[princesa]

So I need some basic info to see how I'm doing

Usually where do you buy your food? (Walmart, Kmart, Krogger, Publix, Winn Dixie, Target, etc?)

Whole foods or a farmers market
Where do you buy appliances? (Walmart, BestBuy, target, appliances direct, etc)

Whoever has the best deal
Where do you buy computers? (bestbuy, staples, office depot, walmart, etc)

Best buy or Pcrichards
where do you buy your cellphone?(direct store of carrier, walmart, radio shack, etc)

phone carrier-Tmobile
Where do you get tires and car stuff done? (chain sotres or local shops)

For tipping info I'll dig up an old thread I remember...

 

[twenty47]

whole foods on a lot of things is kind of a scam. you pay more for things that you think are of better quality or organic when in reality you are paying more for something that is of the excact same quality or even the excact same product elsewhere. they are nice stores but a lot of their stuff is kind of a gimmick. a lot of the products are owned by the big food companies.

 

[ceo]

doesn't anyone shop the sale ads? I can find the shit I need for cheap any time. I always get chicken bnls, sknls, breasts or thighs for $1.49 - $1.79/lb I buy a bunch and freeze it. Same with steaks and fish. Always stuff on sale. Also, Ralph's (our Krogers) always takes double coupons. For produce we have Sprouts and Henrys (Farmers) Markets. Good prices and great quality.

Same with everything else. I look for the best deal.

 

[nangiggles]

if something isnt cheaper at Walmart they will match the price. its very hard to find them being more expensive though. i worked for nabico before and every once in a while kroger could do 2 for 5 on oreos and chips ohoy stuff. most of the time walmarts price is 2.50-2.79 everyday depending on the market.

this one always made me lol. oreos are 2.50 everyday at walmart and a jewel or dominics trys to sell them for 4.89 a peice.. their sale prices were 2 for 6 or 2 for 7 sometimes.. what a joke. and its less fresh because they dont sell nearly as much.

obviously the bb crowd doesnt care too much about nabisco stuff but thats just an example.

Exactly, I see exactly that like 2 for $5 in Publix and they a re $2.25 at walmart or 3 for $5 and they are $1.25 at walmart, 4 corn cobs for a dollar in Publix and they are 19 cents at walmart.... stuff like that.... I like rollbacks

 

[redshirt27se]

walmarts good for a lot of things, but I won't buy produce or meat from there.

 

[nangiggles]

Yeah meat and produce I get at a local downtown produce here, which is super fresh and well priced, and like CEO said when something is on sale I stock up, I also check every sunday's paper for sales and stuff, some stuff like my dog bowls, doggie pads, couple of office supplies and basic simple stuff I've actually bought at the dollar store

 

[musclemom]

whole foods on a lot of things is kind of a scam. you pay more for things that you think are of better quality or organic when in reality you are paying more for something that is of the excact same quality or even the excact same product elsewhere. they are nice stores but a lot of their stuff is kind of a gimmick. a lot of the products are owned by the big food companies.

Yes, but if you have food allergies, like gluten intolerance, there ain't shit to eat in Walmart.

I buy local fruit and veg. when I can over organic, again, Walmart ships their shit in from all over the world.

I don't buy conventionally raised meat or eggs, I can taste a difference, it gives me a stomach ache and insomnia.

Walmart is fine for food if you have no food allergies, don't give a shit about supporting local farmers and don't care how many antibiotics the cows are shot up with or arsenic the chickens are fed.

 

[PICK3]

Walmart is fine for food if you have no food allergies, don't give a shit about supporting local farmers and don't care how many antibiotics the cows are shot up with or arsenic the chickens are fed.

I think Wally World has been adding estrogen to my food

 

[musclemom]

I think Wally World has been adding estrogen to my food

It's not Walmart that adds that stuff, it's the big feedlot producers that they buy from. To keep costs down they pump the cattle full of a cocktail of all sorts of stuff, including steroids, to get them to market weight ASAP.

See, here's the thing with a feed lot. The cattle are living in highly stressful conditions. That makes them prone to weight loss and infection. The only way to keep rampant infection down is to give prophylactic antibiotics, whether the cattle are sick or not. Ever hear of SUPERBUGS? I personally don't think the problem is just to blame from doctors over prescribing antibiotics to humans. People don't think about the stuff the animals are fed, consequently, what they eat. That stuff particularly concentrates in the organ tissue (you couldn't pay me enough to eat conventionally raised cow liver, even if I did like the taste of the stuff).

Now, back to the stressed cattle. Again, they're living in these overcrowded conditions. They're fed a diet that really packs on the pounds, but isn't good for them in the long run (very heavy in grain). Grain is concentrated nutrition. Cattle aren't designed to eat a highly concentrated food, that's why they've got four stomachs. They're designed to eat stuff that is low quality nutrition and highly fibrous. Eating that grain heavy diet in the end would kill them if they weren't slaughtered so young, it actually creates inflammation throughout their body, more stress. So to additionally get them to pack on the pounds they're given steroids to enhance lean muscle growth, because everyone wants tender, lean meat.

Now what you end up with is meat that has a completely DIFFERENT nutrition profile than grass fed meat. That's why meats like buffalo and game meats are healthy compared to cow (red game meats actually contain healthy omega oils). They eat their natural diets (buffalo are rarely pumped up with steroids) and aren't being juiced to make it to market weight.

The only real downside to grassfed meats that I've ever found (cost aside) is they're tougher than feedlot meat. But there is simply no comparison in flavor. To me, conventional meat has a metallic flavor to it).

Chicken and arsenic ... arsenic is an antiparasitic when fed in small quantities. I believe that if you are already sensitive to environmental toxincs it's just one more burden for your body to deal with.

 

[PICK3]

The cattle are living in highly stressful conditions.

I can't afford to dine on beast that were raised in a nurturing environment conducive of allowing them to actualize into the best beast they can becum and are coddled nightly into a blissful trance aided by aromatherapy, subconscious affirmation devices, and Johann Pachelbel's masterpieces via surround sound.

just sayin'

 

[pbhardbody]

I can't afford to dine on beast that were raised in a nurturing environment conducive of allowing them to actualize into the best beast they can becum and are coddled nightly into a blissful trance aided by aromatherapy, subconscious affirmation devices, and Johann Pachelbel's masterpieces via surround sound.

just sayin'

lolol

 

[PICK3]

lolol

olololol2

 

[mrplunkey]

I can't afford to dine on beast that were raised in a nurturing environment conducive of allowing them to actualize into the best beast they can becum and are coddled nightly into a blissful trance aided by aromatherapy, subconscious affirmation devices, and Johann Pachelbel's masterpieces via surround sound.

just sayin'

I agree!

I want my cows to be issued Vibrams too, so they can have the "barefoot experience".

 

[mrplunkey]

I enjoy reading the all-natural, organic foods argument.

A couple hundred years ago, over 50% of the population in the US was agricultural.

Now, around 2% of the population grows our food (and much of the RoW)

It would be great to go back to those all-natural times... I guess we'd just have to pick which couple billion people we'd need to starve to death. And how many would die from infections easily cured by penicillin? And how many would die from diphtheria and small pox? Oh... and tuberculosis and gonorrhea... Wait... I left out polio and scarlet fever too.

Well hell. I guess I'll just stick to progress. Know what the best part is? Any other choice is just an academic exercise anyway. So buckle-up and head to walmart!

P.S. Sam's food club chicken breasts = teh win. I could live off those.

 

[PICK3]

And how many would die from diphtheria and small pox? Oh... and tuberculosis and gonorrhea... Wait... I left out polio and scarlet fever too.

and teh AIDS

 

[nimbus]

I agree!

I want my cows to be issued Vibrams too, so they can have the "barefoot experience".

lmfao

 

[PICK3]

I agree!

I want my cows to be issued Vibrams too, so they can have the "barefoot experience".

barehoof

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

bareback

Fixed for ultimate Mo'ness

 

[mrplunkey]

and teh AIDS

I explicitly didn't mention teh aids since it was created in a CIA lab to hurt minorities and poor people.

DUH!

 

[mrplunkey]

... and only buy your bottled water from glaciers too!

It's got to me more healthy.

 

[Underwraps]

Usually where do you buy your food? (I'd be giving away my location if I answered. shucks.) Where do you buy appliances? (Walmart, target, k-mart. I check prices online then go. )
Where do you buy computers? (bestbuy during x-mas sales.
Where do you get tires and car stuff done? (Les Schwab- free tire rotation)

 

[PICK3]

Where did Shrimpy buy teh sweater?
Where did SD buy teh jacket?
Where did Bino buy teh visor?
Where did RS buy teh Vibrams?

 

[musclemom]

I enjoy reading the all-natural, organic foods argument.

A couple hundred years ago, over 50% of the population in the US was agricultural.

Now, around 2% of the population grows our food (and much of the RoW)

It would be great to go back to those all-natural times... I guess we'd just have to pick which couple billion people we'd need to starve to death. And how many would die from infections easily cured by penicillin? And how many would die from diphtheria and small pox? Oh... and tuberculosis and gonorrhea... Wait... I left out polio and scarlet fever too.

Well hell. I guess I'll just stick to progress. Know what the best part is? Any other choice is just an academic exercise anyway. So buckle-up and head to walmart!

P.S. Sam's food club chicken breasts = teh win. I could live off those.

I tried to explain this in a K message to you but perhaps it's worth replying to here.

My health deteriorated very rapidly over 13 years ago due to no obvious reason. I won't go into everything that happened, but basically it was a series of seemingly unrelated conditions and going to the doctor resulted in a pat on the head and a diagnosis of "stress and anxiety."

Well, the stress went away and I wasn't getting better, in fact I kept feeling, and looking worse.

It took me a long, long time to find all of the things that were contributing to my general deterioration. It was partly environmental (and by that, I mean products in my home, like shampoos and cleaning agents) partly dietary (I needed to remove certain things due to either allergy or intolerance) and a tiny amount stress related in that I was suffering from adrenal fatigue (I had been so stressed for so long that my adrenal glands were not functioning properly).

After all this time, over 13 years remember, I finally lead a nearly normal life as long as I respect my limitations in terms of stress levels and general environment, eat a very clean diet that is as close to unprocessed as possible, and take certain dietary supplements. I have also come to the conclusion that certain so called "diseases" are NOT diseases, but symptoms of general toxicity and for lack of a better way to term it, system overload, many if not all autoimmune diseases, for example. At one time I suffered from both rosacea and fibromyalgia and both conditions have cleared up.

Now, I am the first to admit I may represent a VERY small minority of the population. However, I am also seeing more and more food for gluten intolerance available in the general market. I know conditions such as food allergies, autoimmune disorders and gastrointestinal issues (GERD, reflux, IBS, etc.) are on the rise in younger and younger people. So maybe I'm not so much a freak as the canary in the coalmine. Unfortunately, I don't think medicine is in the position to recognize extremely amorphous and seemingly unrelated symptoms as being part of an overall toxin syndrome, at least, as of yet. So doctors do the only thing they're trained to do, treat the presenting symptoms. Unfortunately, that causes a vicious circle. You give the patient Prevacid for continual GERD. However, they actually have heartburn because they have developed gluten intolerance, so now you've eliminated the symptom. Twenty years from now the patient develops colon cancer (patients who ignore gluten intolerance have a more than 30% increased chance of colon cancer).

My basic philosophy to health has been that it's better to cure the cause than treat the symptom.

And you all know I'm a fucking nutty witch, so whatever, that's my morning rant.

 

[-Ariel-]

I like Albertson's for food.
Walmart or Target for misc.
Comps... the mbook pro is getting fixed, got a cheap Toshiba laptop from NewEgg.
Supps... Well, Southern Lord's Supplementstore kicks ass.
For phone, us Lower your cell phone bill, simple wireless savings advice provided by Validas... you can upload your current cell phone plan and it tells you the best plan to save you a bunch of money, and reccommends the best carrier for your needs. I think it also recommends other stuff for your specific needs as well.

www.billshrink.com... will be one of the most useful sites that you have come across, in awhile.

 

[nangiggles]

No Albertson here, it closed...

Ladies and gentleman,what about clothing and apparel such as shoes? old navy, hollister, gap, guess, macy's JCPenny, Bealls, Kmart, american eagle (goodwill ) where do you buy?

 

[-Ariel-]

No Albertson here, it closed...

Ladies and gentleman,what about clothing and apparel such as shoes? old navy, hollister, gap, guess, macy's JCPenny, Bealls, Kmart, american eagle (goodwill ) where do you buy?

nordstroms, dillards, can't afford saks or nieman.

Boxers shirts, walmart/target

Loot Scrubs, from Dad's work... the ER.

Nan, you doing a consumeristic case study?

 

[cindylou]

The Wal-Marts here have SHIT for options and always have a ton of generic stuff that is horrible. There are very few "SUPER" Walmarts here that actually have any type of DECENT selection.

Do you live in or near a large city? We have nothing but Super Walmarts and they are great for everything, yes even clothes. I just bought a sundress there for 9 bucks. I wouldnt buy my everyday clothes there, but I buy Abby's clothes there she grows out of them every 3 months.

Walmart has the lowest price on baby products and pretty much everything else.

 

[Strongbow]

Slow day at work huh nan?

Food - Publix mostly. Sometimes Walmart, occassionally Winn Dixie

Computers - online generally

Cellphones - wirefly.com is good. Or direct from carrier.

Tires - chain store - Tire Kingdom is good down here. Other repairs - local shop
Did I win?

Did you also get that fucking spare you got round your waist from Tire Kingdom?

 

[InGreatShape]

So I need some basic info to see how I'm doing
Where do you buy appliances? (Walmart, BestBuy, target, appliances direct, etc)
Where do you buy computers? (bestbuy, staples, office depot, walmart, etc)
where do you buy your cellphone?(direct store of carrier, walmart, radio shack, etc)
Where do you get tires and car stuff done? (chain sotres or local shops)

Appliances - BestBuy
Computers - BestBuy
Cellphones- Walmart
Tires and car stuff - Local shops

Hope it helps

 

[nangiggles]

nordstroms, dillards, can't afford saks or nieman.

Boxers shirts, walmart/target

Loot Scrubs, from Dad's work... the ER.

Nan, you doing a consumeristic case study?

No case study, just trying to figure out where the hell to buy stuff without being to cheap or too expensive
I bought some clothes at Charlotte Russe the other day... seemed decent.....

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

Appliances - BestBuy
Computers - BestBuy
Cellphones- Walmart
Tires and car stuff - Local shops

Hope it helps

BestBuy has the WORST prices EVER lol WTF...

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

Do you live in or near a large city? We have nothing but Super Walmarts and they are great for everything, yes even clothes. I just bought a sundress there for 9 bucks. I wouldnt buy my everyday clothes there, but I buy Abby's clothes there she grows out of them every 3 months.

Walmart has the lowest price on baby products and pretty much everything else.

I live in MD, the closest SUPER Wal-Mart is actually basically in the middle of nowhere and about 20-25 mins away.

 

[mrplunkey]

I tried to explain this in a K message to you but perhaps it's worth replying to here.

My health deteriorated very rapidly over 13 years ago due to no obvious reason. I won't go into everything that happened, but basically it was a series of seemingly unrelated conditions and going to the doctor resulted in a pat on the head and a diagnosis of "stress and anxiety."

Well, the stress went away and I wasn't getting better, in fact I kept feeling, and looking worse.

It took me a long, long time to find all of the things that were contributing to my general deterioration. It was partly environmental (and by that, I mean products in my home, like shampoos and cleaning agents) partly dietary (I needed to remove certain things due to either allergy or intolerance) and a tiny amount stress related in that I was suffering from adrenal fatigue (I had been so stressed for so long that my adrenal glands were not functioning properly).

After all this time, over 13 years remember, I finally lead a nearly normal life as long as I respect my limitations in terms of stress levels and general environment, eat a very clean diet that is as close to unprocessed as possible, and take certain dietary supplements. I have also come to the conclusion that certain so called "diseases" are NOT diseases, but symptoms of general toxicity and for lack of a better way to term it, system overload, many if not all autoimmune diseases, for example. At one time I suffered from both rosacea and fibromyalgia and both conditions have cleared up.

Now, I am the first to admit I may represent a VERY small minority of the population. However, I am also seeing more and more food for gluten intolerance available in the general market. I know conditions such as food allergies, autoimmune disorders and gastrointestinal issues (GERD, reflux, IBS, etc.) are on the rise in younger and younger people. So maybe I'm not so much a freak as the canary in the coalmine. Unfortunately, I don't think medicine is in the position to recognize extremely amorphous and seemingly unrelated symptoms as being part of an overall toxin syndrome, at least, as of yet. So doctors do the only thing they're trained to do, treat the presenting symptoms. Unfortunately, that causes a vicious circle. You give the patient Prevacid for continual GERD. However, they actually have heartburn because they have developed gluten intolerance, so now you've eliminated the symptom. Twenty years from now the patient develops colon cancer (patients who ignore gluten intolerance have a more than 30% increased chance of colon cancer).

My basic philosophy to health has been that it's better to cure the cause than treat the symptom.

And you all know I'm a fucking nutty witch, so whatever, that's my morning rant.

I'm glad you're feeling better (seriously).

I'm convinced that for every person being subtly poisoned by some trace chemical, there are forty people who simply eat too much. And another forty who eat pure garbage. And forty more who drink way too much. And forty more who smoke. And forty more who use drugs. And forty more who don't exercise at all.

My rule is if you hear hoof claps, think horses not zebras and for the love of god don't think unicorns. What concerns me about the all-natural organic foods market is the person normally lecturing at EarthFare (hippie organic grocery) is usually 30 lbs overweight and looks like they haven't strenuously exercised in years. I don't like any movement that distracts from the big-ticket items and lets someone believe that jar of all-natural certified organic jar of peanut butter is the answer to their health needs.

(wow... that probably read like a rant but it wasn't)

 

[redshirt27se]

BestBuy has the WORST prices EVER lol WTF...

they pricematch anything.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

they pricematch anything.

LOL @ price matching

So why not just shop at the places with good prices instead of paying places like Best Buy that jack their prices up because their stores are huge and full of things that will NEVER sell.

Plus they have stipulations on price matching. No internet stores, no seasonal priced items, blah blah etc...

 

[musclemom]

I'm glad you're feeling better (seriously).

I'm convinced that for every person being subtly poisoned by some trace chemical, there are forty people who simply eat too much. And another forty who eat pure garbage. And forty more who drink way too much. And forty more who smoke. And forty more who use drugs. And forty more who don't exercise at all.

My rule is if you hear hoof claps, think horses not zebras and for the love of god don't think unicorns. What concerns me about the all-natural organic foods market is the person normally lecturing at EarthFare (hippie organic grocery) is usually 30 lbs overweight and looks like they haven't strenuously exercised in years. I don't like any movement that distracts from the big-ticket items and lets someone believe that jar of all-natural certified organic jar of peanut butter is the answer to their health needs.

(wow... that probably read like a rant but it wasn't)

Naaa, my previous, appallingly long post (in the opinion of some) is a rant. Honestly, in some ways I do agree with you and on others it's not so much a point of disagreement as that I think the entire paradigm of thought needs to be revised.

Yes, I've met people who obviously lead an unhealthy life ranting about organics. I've also met people who literally regained their life after literally YEARS of being told by medical professionals that it was unicorns (meaning, in their head) when it really was zebras and just changing a few things, maybe something simple like cutting certain foods out, made a world of difference.

It's not always about organics, it's also about being mindful of where things come from, buying from local providers instead of stuff that was sitting in a crate being shipped worldwide for gods only know how long.

Anyway, I've had medical professionals, these are people with degrees hanging on the wall, laugh in my face when I told them I am intolerant of certain chemicals, not allergic, intolerant. They said such a thing doesn't exist. I nearly died from such an intolerance once (not a story meant to be told in mixed company).

You know the CDC does a study every couple of years on the chemicals a random sampling of people walk around with in their bodies all the time, right? Most people have virtually every chemical they test for (I think they test for 212 now).

http://www.cdc.gov/exposurereport/pdf/FourthReport_ExecutiveSummary.pdf

Long story short, nobody can tell me that such a chemical soup isn't responsible for health problems, I don't buy it. And this stuff just lingers and builds up. I think it's one of the reasons why so many younger and younger men are running low testosterone, I think its contributing to why obesity is on the rise (our bodies will actually store these chemicals in body fat, maybe as a mechanism to protect vital organs). I think its part of the reason autoimmune diseases are on the rise.

And I think someday doctors will start hearing hoofbeats and wondering if it might not be zebras. I have to believe that because in my heart I know health care is just like clothing, one size does not fit all. Someday doctors may wise up.

 

[mrplunkey]

You know the CDC does a study every couple of years on the chemicals a random sampling of people walk around with in their bodies all the time, right? Most people have virtually every chemical they test for (I think they test for 212 now).

http://www.cdc.gov/exposurereport/pdf/FourthReport_ExecutiveSummary.pdf

Long story short, nobody can tell me that such a chemical soup isn't responsible for health problems, I don't buy it. And this stuff just lingers and builds up. I think it's one of the reasons why so many younger and younger men are running low testosterone, I think its contributing to why obesity is on the rise (our bodies will actually store these chemicals in body fat, maybe as a mechanism to protect vital organs). I think its part of the reason autoimmune diseases are on the rise.

And I think someday doctors will start hearing hoofbeats and wondering if it might not be zebras. I have to believe that because in my heart I know health care is just like clothing, one size does not fit all. Someday doctors may wise up.

I'm not surprised they find small amounts of chemicals in people's bodies. But remember we're incredibly fault tolerant machines -- it's a remarkable design and even more remarkable if the entire process was teleonomic.

As far as observed phenomenon such as weight gain, that's far more easily explained by increased (and continuous) access to carbohydrates, a more sedentary lifestyle and this obsession we seem to have with interfering with Darwinian processes.

 

[nangiggles]

Speaking of health.... I have to shop for health insurance, the company provides Cigna and for me and my husband Id have to pay like $160 biweekly, Which I think isnt bad but I mutst cover like $1500 in deductible which makes me think that why do I need them anyway if Im paying but I know that probably gets easily covered with how expensive stuff is, but I dont know a thing since I come from universal healthcare, im used to getting 9% taken and not worrying about the rest :s I dont know what to do...

 

[redshirt27se]

Speaking of health.... I have to shop for health insurance, the company provides Cigna and for me and my husband Id have to pay like $160 biweekly, Which I think isnt bad but I mutst cover like $1500 in deductible which makes me think that why do I need them anyway if Im paying but I know that probably gets easily covered with how expensive stuff is, but I dont know a thing since I come from universal healthcare, im used to getting 9% taken and not worrying about the rest :s I dont know what to do...

take the insurance from your employer. if you get a plan on your own you'll be paying far more $160 biweekly.

 

[musclemom]

I'm not surprised they find small amounts of chemicals in people's bodies. But remember we're incredibly fault tolerant machines

Perfect example of the paradigm thinking I'm talking about. Yes, we are fault tolerant, up to a point. Unfortunately, the chemical industry is far more insidious and clever than our built in detox systems. And the fact is, weird ass chemicals are hard, if not impossible, for our bodies to recognize, our body actually mistakes this stuff for hormones, and these chemicals plug into hormone receptors. Seriously. Do a little research on xenohormones and estrogen mimics, and it's not just women it affects.

Or take something like fluoridated water (oh how I love that little bridge the entire population bought). Our bodies cannot filter that stuff out fast enough. If a person consumes the "recommended" eight glasses of water a day and it's fluoridated, our bodies can barely remove half of that (and contrary to popular misinformation, fluoride is neither necessary to health nor a dietary supplement).

And the amounts and quantities of these chemicals keep creeping up, every year. And that's not even taking into consideration things like the antibiotic/hormonal soup that ends up in drinking water that isn't removed by the normal sterilization process. The fact is, our bodies did not evolve dealing with the manmade garbage that pervades our environment and the garbage is evolving faster than our bodies can keep up with it.

Believe me or not but people who think more like you are in charge of the system and those are the people who need to stop wearing blinders and start realizing there is something inherently wrong with thinking it's totally okay to have over 212 chemicals in permanent residence in our bodies before we even hit puberty.

 

[-Ariel-]

I'm not surprised they find small amounts of chemicals in people's bodies. But remember we're incredibly fault tolerant machines -- it's a remarkable design and even more remarkable if the entire process was teleonomic.

As far as observed phenomenon such as weight gain, that's far more easily explained by increased (and continuous) access to carbohydrates, a more sedentary lifestyle and this obsession we seem to have with interfering with Darwinian processes.

Obesity rate in 1950 was around 3% in the US. The human body does have remarkable adaptive properties, however, the increase from 3% to almost 40% in the US. It's possible that there is merit to the hypothesis that the hypothalamus is affected by processed foods and a more sedentary life style.

 

[mrplunkey]

Obesity rate in 1950 was around 3% in the US. The human body does have remarkable adaptive properties, however, the increase from 3% to almost 40% in the US. It's possible that there is merit to the hypothesis that the hypothalamus is affected by processed foods and a more sedentary life style.

And I agree with that -- to the extent that "processed foods" mean we have more access to higher carbohydrate / higher saturated (and trans) fat food. We've blown-up portion sizes and calorie counts in the name of taste, texture and shelf life.

I'm far, far less bought-in to the idea that some trace element is hurting us. We evolved out of the oceans and that's the biggest mess of primordial trace element soup there is:

Composition of seawater

 

[-Ariel-]

And I agree with that -- to the extent that "processed foods" mean we have more access to higher carbohydrate / higher saturated (and trans) fat food. We've blown-up portion sizes and calorie counts in the name of taste, texture and shelf life.

I'm far, far less bought-in to the idea that some trace element is hurting us. We evolved out of the oceans and that's the biggest mess of primordial trace element soup there is:

Composition of seawater

True, I misconstrued your original statement, my bad. I'm not an evolutionary scientist, however, it only makes sense what you are saying.

 

[musclemom]

And I agree with that -- to the extent that "processed foods" mean we have more access to higher carbohydrate / higher saturated (and trans) fat food. We've blown-up portion sizes and calorie counts in the name of taste, texture and shelf life.

I'm far, far less bought-in to the idea that some trace element is hurting us. We evolved out of the oceans and that's the biggest mess of primordial trace element soup there is:

Composition of seawater

I'm sorry, a comparison of the oceans, as they are now, to the oceans life evolved from is completely flawed.

There is NOWHERE on the planet surface (excluding the depths of glaciers that have never melted) that hasn't been contaminated by human chemical pollution. And the oceans are one of the biggest sponges for that pollution, as well as the main source of our air.

Eventually every sponge gets saturated.

 

[ceo]

nordstroms, dillards, can't afford saks or nieman.

Boxers shirts, walmart/target

Loot Scrubs, from Dad's work... the ER.

Nan, you doing a consumeristic case study?

Can't afford saks, but you can afford nordy's? Fuck all that, I'm heading to Marshall's or Ross. Kohl's is good too. If I think I want something from nordstrom, I'll go see if it's at Nordstrom Rack and I can tell my sister-in-law to get it for me with her employee discount.

I never pay full price for anything.

 

[nangiggles]

Can't afford saks, but you can afford nordy's? Fuck all that, I'm heading to Marshall's or Ross. Kohl's is good too. If I think I want something from nordstrom, I'll go see if it's at Nordstrom Rack and I can tell my sister-in-law to get it for me with her employee discount.

I never pay full price for anything.

I've heard Marshalls and Hohls is good, TJ Maxx to, my mom went to TJ maxx and found a bunch of nike dry fit Tshirts on sale for $3 each, she bought as many as she could because when she goes back to CR she can easily sell those at $20-30 each

 

[mrplunkey]

I'm sorry, a comparison of the oceans, as they are now, to the oceans life evolved from is completely flawed.

There is NOWHERE on the planet surface (excluding the depths of glaciers that have never melted) that hasn't been contaminated by human chemical pollution. And the oceans are one of the biggest sponges for that pollution, as well as the main source of our air.

Eventually every sponge gets saturated.

If I had that toxins-under-every rock mentality, it would be hard for me to even leave the house. I could see someone completely losing their mind running around worried about every trace chemical.

And I do believe there is the occasional zebra hoof clap that can hurt people, but widespread paranoia only desensitizes people to those rare cases when they actually occur.

 

[musclemom]

If I had that toxins-under-every rock mentality, it would be hard for me to even leave the house. I could see someone completely losing their mind running around worried about every trace chemical.

And I do believe there is the occasional zebra hoof clap that can hurt people, but widespread paranoia only desensitizes people to those rare cases when they actually occur.

Tell ya what, dear Plunk, I'll give you two things to think about if you don't believe small quantities of can cause great problems:

1. Viruses. 'Nough said.

2. Sleep deprivation. Google it, spend maybe an hour reading about it sleep deprivation. You'll quickly learn it doesn't take a whole lot of lost sleep to start causing havoc with just about every physical and mental system in any body.

Like I said, the way your mind works is the way those who control big corporations think. It's sort of like being an ostrich: If I choose not to think about it, if I deny even the possibility of it, eventually it will go away or stop bothering me. Well, actually what will happen is you will eventually succumb to a mortal illness or die of old age and the mess becomes the next generation's problem. Until eventually someone with a lot of money and/or power wakes up and goes "Oh shit, we have a major problem" and by then it might be too late.

I'm not crazy, I'm not an alarmist, and I'm not really a conspiracist (although I do toy with some of the theories at times). I'm telling you, if humans don't get a grip on the chemical pollution that constantly inundates us from every inch of our environment within just a few centuries we'll be catching up to the dinosaurs. We are sickening ourselves and other species, and we are the only species that has ever managed to do irreparable damage to the planet.

 

[mrplunkey]

Tell ya what, dear Plunk, I'll give you two things to think about if you don't believe small quantities of can cause great problems:

1. Viruses. 'Nough said.

2. Sleep deprivation. Google it, spend maybe an hour reading about it sleep deprivation. You'll quickly learn it doesn't take a whole lot of lost sleep to start causing havoc with just about every physical and mental system in any body.

Like I said, the way your mind works is the way those who control big corporations think. It's sort of like being an ostrich: If I choose not to think about it, if I deny even the possibility of it, eventually it will go away or stop bothering me. Well, actually what will happen is you will eventually succumb to a mortal illness or die of old age and the mess becomes the next generation's problem. Until eventually someone with a lot of money and/or power wakes up and goes "Oh shit, we have a major problem" and by then it might be too late.

I'm not crazy, I'm not an alarmist, and I'm not really a conspiracist (although I do toy with some of the theories at times). I'm telling you, if humans don't get a grip on the chemical pollution that constantly inundates us from every inch of our environment within just a few centuries we'll be catching up to the dinosaurs. We are sickening ourselves and other species, and we are the only species that has ever managed to do irreparable damage to the planet.

But how can viruses be a problem? Those pre-date evil industrialization by hundreds of thousands... millions... maybe even billions of years.

Here's something for you to consider: For every animal cell in your body, you've got around 10 microbes. That's a combination of bacteria, fungi and viruses. But it's a testament to how well we adapt considering that every one of us are outnumbered 10 to one.

Think about how many things there are to be afraid of: Trace toxins, microwave ovens, fluoride, trans fats, solar flares, jihad, cell phones, Chinese paint, nukes, yellow die #3, choking hazards, systemic bank risk, global warming, drunk drivers, Obama's birth certificate, serial killers, germs on doorknobs, vitamin-depleted vegetables, pesticides, chlorinated water, airline hijacking, hepatitis, porn addiction, government debt, sleep deprivation, Bill O'Reilly, antibiotics overuse, oil spills, religious persecution, government-run health care... and the list goes on and on.

Everyone seems to love their own brand.

 

[PICK3]

Think about how many things there are to be afraid of: Trace toxins, microwave ovens, fluoride, trans fats, solar flares, jihad, cell phones, Chinese paint, nukes, yellow die #3, choking hazards, systemic bank risk, global warming, drunk drivers, Obama's birth certificate, serial killers, germs on doorknobs, vitamin-depleted vegetables, pesticides, chlorinated water, airline hijacking, hepatitis, porn addiction, government debt, sleep deprivation, Bill O'Reilly, antibiotics overuse, oil spills, religious persecution, government-run health care... and the list goes on and on.

And in this region: oil spills, hurricanes, Mo's, etc ...

 

[mrplunkey]

And in this region: oil spills, hurricanes, Mo's, etc ...

I'd add teh aids, the Saints and Steven Segal to that list.

 

[PICK3]

Think about how many things there are to be afraid of: Trace toxins, microwave ovens, fluoride, trans fats, solar flares, jihad, cell phones, Chinese paint, nukes, yellow die #3, choking hazards, systemic bank risk, global warming, drunk drivers, Obama's birth certificate, serial killers, germs on doorknobs, vitamin-depleted vegetables, pesticides, chlorinated water, airline hijacking, hepatitis, porn addiction, government debt, sleep deprivation, Bill O'Reilly, antibiotics overuse, oil spills, religious persecution, government-run health care... and the list goes on and on.

germs on my knob ...

 

[mrplunkey]

germs on my knob ...

Isn't referring to it as a "knob" a bit of exaggeration? The wall at Cutter's described it as a "nub" at best.