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extinction. Moms breed to have one trophy child and then coddle it instead of sending 4 or 5 off to war, like every other generation needs to. the depeltion of troops and the over-valuing of life is going to cost us, when it comes to fighting an opponent who has generations of soldiers. all that's left are roaches....
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'Man has never made a weapon that went unused.'
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blueta2 said:
We will likely take down the planet with us....in a nuclear holocaust.
I do contemplate on the beauty of the earth and its inhabitants without the scourge of mans doings.
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PBR said:
Started with the privatization of the penal colonies by the power elite.
Higher occupancy = more money = their operating system
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equilibrium. yin and yang.
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shit, just compare how the standards of what is decent and acceptable has declined from the time we were kids to the kids today.
i don't remember having anal gangbangs in 2nd grade, but i read about it happening now (it did, some girl got caught having anal sex with another second grader in newark).
just try to think back as to what was considered 'bad' and 'indecent' just in the 80's and compare it to today.
i don't remember having anal gangbangs in 2nd grade, but i read about it happening now (it did, some girl got caught having anal sex with another second grader in newark).
just try to think back as to what was considered 'bad' and 'indecent' just in the 80's and compare it to today.
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alls I know is that if everyone gets a GPS and relies on said GPS for all things navigationalish and the world gets a debilitating GPS virus peeps would die because they didn't get their compasseering badge in Weeblos.
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blueta2 said:
Who quantifies that, the dolphins? So long and thanks for all the fish.
It's not humanity that is in a chaotic spiral but the entire universe. But that's for another discussion more abstract than this one.
I believe that as our culture evolves we become less aggressive to the detriment of our society. We are unwilling to deal with more aggressive cultures at our own peril. It is the vilification of testosterone that has weakened our fiber in this country. But your uteral rantings ensure your difference with my opinions.
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The survival is no longer just for the fittest. Individuals with obvious genetic flaws are kept alive by technology and then go on to reproduce and pass down their tainted Genes. We are breeding ourselves into a species of sick individuals.
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redguru said:
agreed.
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redguru said:
Fuck yeah. The world is becoming pussyfied by the minute!
what is going to happen is genetic engineering. the richer folks will be able to choose what traits they're children have. they grow ears and noses on pigs, so i don't doubt in the next 10-20 years, you'll see arms & legs. seems like it all leads to a huge seperation....Big Rick Rock said:
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mightymouse69 said:
When did the killing ever stop?
Bro,
many people where slaughtered and killed thru history. Still, we are over crowded in this world. Killing is needed unfortunatly. It is what tips the balance toward nature. Since Humans using drugs and technology have stoped nature from taking(killing) the sick and elderly as it is meant to do. Then it is up to man to pick up the slack and do nature's job by killing. Kill it!
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Big Rick Rock said:
Here's an even better idea....instead of the need to kill due to overpopulation, have a cap on how many kids one can have like they do in china.
I see some cultures have 6, 7, 8 , 9 , 10 kids. I mean come on! And this is not just happening in poor countries, there are people I know here in canada that just cannot stop having kids. A guy and his wife I know of have 6 kids and they are trying for more........oh and they are on welfare. They get more welfare if they keep having more kids. Nice huh!
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blueta2 said:
Yeah good luck with that one.
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blueta2 said:
Do a search on Human Rights Violations and China. Let me know what you get and then tell me if you still want to follow any model that came from a country like that.
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lol
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blueta2 said:
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Big Rick Rock said:
I try and explain this to people all the time and just get confused looks. It isn't going to be too much longer before we have to live in sterile bubbles due to our inferior genetics and immunes systems won't be able to handle the smallest illness.
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Big Rick Rock said:
Agree. Life has always been dangerous. People are nostalgic for a peaceful, orderly past that never existed, except in old episodes of "Leave It To Beaver".
Prior to the invention of the automobile, you couldn't even travel between cities without putting yourself at risk from attack by thieves, natives, or animals.
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mightymouse69 said:Did Saddam log into BRR's account?
LOL... Nah bro, I'm just being realistic. I accept that every day, people have to die, I belive they are going to a better place. I hope a pray that it is not one of my own, and that if it is, it is not a painful experience. I don't think anybody should be made to suffer, and I feel bad for the poor folks who die painfully in wars and such.
BUT, I also keep in mind that IF every war man has ever fought, had only had 1/2 of the casualties... Our world population would be at minimum 10x the size it currently is. We have enough trouble living with one another now. Imagine 10X the amount of people per sqr mile... We would have drained all of our resources years ago...
I think until Humans learn to live with one another peacefully, in an overcrowded and diverse world. Muddafukas should die by the hand fulls to keep population down, till that day actually comes and we are ready to live one on top of the other.
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Mr. dB said:
Neither you or any of the other people who feel medicine is the end of evoultion would be alive today to debate this had it not been for medicine. Back before medicine childhood mortality rates of 70%+ were not uncommon. Some families had 10+ kids where one survived to adulthood. Whatever 'defects' that are allowed to live can easily be compensated for with basic medical care. Rather than throwing 80% of humans in the garbage we are now giving everyone a chance to contribute to the world. If they are sick, a few pills or medicines will fix that. The average person today is light years more healthy and fit than a person of 500 years ago.
I must be the only optimist in this group.
Overpopulation - If you look at total fertility rates you see a pattern across all cultures, geographies, nationalities, religions and income levels. Once a country obtains enough medical care to cut childhood mortality to extremely low rates (5% or less), then people stop having more than 2 kids per couple. The only reason muslim countries like Pakistan or Afghanistan have 7 kids per couple is because medicine there is so shitty that people haven't realized that most of their kids will reach adulthood. Muslim countries with moderately competent healthcare like Iran, Kuwait, Jordan, etc. all have TFRs lower than 3.0
https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2127rank.html
146 of the 226 countries on earth have TFRs lower than 3, and 96 have TFRs lower than 2.1, which is the rate of reproduction. When you average those out you get the fact that about three fourths of the countries on earth are only reproducing at population stabalization rates.
World population is set to stabalize at about 9-10 billion, which the earth can hold even with modern technology, and we still have 50 years to adjust.
Violence - liberal democracy is growing all over the world. Liberal democracies are far more peaceful than dictatorships. They do not repress their own people or declare war on other liberal democracies very much. War is going down, death by war is going down. Human rights are improving all over teh world. Communication is improving. Medicine is improving.
China & India have economies growing at 8-10% a year and will keep that pace for a few decades. Within a few decades 1/2-1/3 of the world will enjoy first world lifestyles.
Virtually all major diseases have been conquered and we are still making progress.
I'd say the next 30-50 years will be extremely good. However after that there is a risk that technology will become so powerful that any miserable asshole can cause massive death and destruction.
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Big Rick Rock said:
Its going down
http://freedomspeace.blogspot.com/2005/10/more-democratic-peace-causes-sharp.html
Big Rick Rock said:
We aren't close to overcrowded. We have 6.5 billion people to contribute in their own way. We have more doctors, scientists, engineers, philosophers and everything else than ever before. More people means more contributions.
Barely 300 million people died from internal oppression and war in the 20th century. So war and oppression are not making a big difference in population rates.
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mightymouse69 said:
Yeah, looks like a lot of land doesn't it?
Humans need 3 things to do with it:
-Farm it for food.
-Build shelter on it.
-Dump garbage on it.
Humans need huge amounts of land to be sustained. How many pounds of wood have you bought in your lifetime? How many trees had to be cut down to make YOUR life a little nicer? From the one to make the crib you had as a child, all the way to the wooden panels on the station wagon you drive now.
How much Garbage have YOU yourself created? How many empty plastic tubs of protein and supplements did you throw in the regular trash instead of recycling them thru your whole lifetime? Paper? Bottles?
How much irreplaceable Fossil Fuel have you burned in YOUR lifetime, or had to be burned to keep your warm or deliver your goods?
How many gallons of dangerous chemicals have you flushed down the drain in your lifetime? Are you sure every personal care product you bring into the shower with you, should be getting into the water ways once it washes off your body?
Ever dispose of Motor Oil improperly? How many times?
Go back in time and prevent a single plague... Your empty lot of land would be a pile of human shit!
Don't get me started on how many acres of land it takes to grow the pounds of food , to make a single pound of steak or pork chops... Land is needed to grow these livestock and feed them.
-BRR
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lol
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we could end up like this http://www.bohemiandrive.com/comics/npwil/2.html killing ourselves quietly
We're heading for the SINGULARITY http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity
and the results will be unpredictable.
depending on how long it takes, the first stop could be transhumanity
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Calling transhumans the "earliest manifestation of new evolutionary beings," FM argued that signs of transhumanity included prostheses, plastic surgery, intensive use of telecommunications, a cosmopolitan outlook and a globetrotting lifestyle, androgyny, mediated reproduction (such as in vitro fertilisation), absence of religious beliefs, and a rejection of traditional family values.
We're heading for the SINGULARITY http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity
and the results will be unpredictable.
depending on how long it takes, the first stop could be transhumanity
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Calling transhumans the "earliest manifestation of new evolutionary beings," FM argued that signs of transhumanity included prostheses, plastic surgery, intensive use of telecommunications, a cosmopolitan outlook and a globetrotting lifestyle, androgyny, mediated reproduction (such as in vitro fertilisation), absence of religious beliefs, and a rejection of traditional family values.
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I. J. Good (1965) writes:
"Let an ultraintelligent machine be defined as a machine that can far surpass all the intellectual activities of any man however clever. Since the design of machines is one of these intellectual activities, an ultraintelligent machine could design even better machines; there would then unquestionably be an 'intelligence explosion,' and the intelligence of man would be left far behind. Thus the first ultraintelligent machine is the last invention that man need ever make."
In an essay on human extinction scenarios, Oxford philosopher Nick Bostrom (2002) lists superintelligence as a possible cause:
"When we create the first superintelligent entity, we might make a mistake and give it goals that lead it to annihilate humankind, assuming its enormous intellectual advantage gives it the power to do so. For example, we could mistakenly elevate a subgoal to the status of a supergoal. We tell it to solve a mathematical problem, and it complies by turning all the matter in the solar system into a giant calculating device, in the process killing the person who asked the question."
"Let an ultraintelligent machine be defined as a machine that can far surpass all the intellectual activities of any man however clever. Since the design of machines is one of these intellectual activities, an ultraintelligent machine could design even better machines; there would then unquestionably be an 'intelligence explosion,' and the intelligence of man would be left far behind. Thus the first ultraintelligent machine is the last invention that man need ever make."
In an essay on human extinction scenarios, Oxford philosopher Nick Bostrom (2002) lists superintelligence as a possible cause:
"When we create the first superintelligent entity, we might make a mistake and give it goals that lead it to annihilate humankind, assuming its enormous intellectual advantage gives it the power to do so. For example, we could mistakenly elevate a subgoal to the status of a supergoal. We tell it to solve a mathematical problem, and it complies by turning all the matter in the solar system into a giant calculating device, in the process killing the person who asked the question."
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We'll attempt to pacify the entire earth with some panacea-inducing drug that will work on 98% of the population, but 2% will become mad raving lunatics that feed on living human flesh. The other 98% will wither away and die. Then the other races in the universe will have to liquidate earth with extreme prejudice.
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Mr. dB said:
I don't want to discredit you from all the knowledge that you actually have. But sometimes, you express opinions on topics that you are barely educated about. As in this case: Medicine.
You have no idea how medicine will actually control and steer "evolution" in the near future, to best our chances of survival.
Read some articles on genetic enginering, a field in which fascinating advances have already been made! For example in plant and animal gene manipulation.
Now i don't blame you for not being a 'superman' nor for not having a college degree in human biology, but most blindly credit your opinion on this site. In which case, i was dissappointed, when you acknowledged an arrogant, self absorbed opinion expressed on the question of the future of humanity.
Now as for the future of humanity, i am very optimistic. We can never actually be too sure, but i am an optimist. Simply because being an optimist is good for my being. I do not have to worry so much.
People are only beginning to be more intelligent. For the first time in history. And they must combat people who need more power AND people who are ignorant. But this battle has only begun. Give it some time. Things will work out.
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mightymouse69 said:
Out of the question.
Mad People Disease.
-BRR
Subzeero said:
I wish I could share your optimism. Most people in positions of influence seem to view Eugenics as A Bad Thing, and such programs will never fly until this PC trend is gone.
Recessive genetic diseases and conditions are on the rise. I think more people are healthier in their day to day lives than they were in the past because we're well fed.
Things HAVE to work out, or else... But there will be some rough spots in the road ahead, and a few washed-out bridges.
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TC2 said:
Things are gonna change when the REVOLUTION comes lol
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mightymouse69 said:The Aztecs had no problem with this.
Ritualistic. A heart here, a lung there. Not their main food source. very different.
-BRR
When Darwin said survival of the fittest he didn't simply mean sound health, although that is a component of the definition he meant adaption and design through evolution that brings about the greatest chance of survival. Which contains a broader range of variables beyond being healthy.
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I'd like to share our Lao Tzu's optimistic view of what the future holds and I'm split as how to picture it. It's apparent the advances man has made but sometimes it seems empty. In one hand I see humanity becoming spiritually paralyzed with each generation and in the other I know that this period in time offers the best opportunities in which to learn and share information -- including esoteric knowledge -- if the will is there or the tide should change. The problem is always who to believe and discerning the truth, for truth is pure and transcends all else. Statistics are easily invented and reinvented, used and abused to prove or disprove anything depending on agenda.
IMO the world is careering all too easily towards the unknown, quick to forget the past, failing to distinguish true value. We're living in a materialistic world full of consumers. Maybe we've walked right past the bridge that spans the discord between religion, science and philosophy?
I'd like to see a movement 'back to roots' so to speak, a pause to understand the past, a regression into and rebirth of lost tradition. Opening the inner eye would do no one any harm.
IMO the world is careering all too easily towards the unknown, quick to forget the past, failing to distinguish true value. We're living in a materialistic world full of consumers. Maybe we've walked right past the bridge that spans the discord between religion, science and philosophy?
I'd like to see a movement 'back to roots' so to speak, a pause to understand the past, a regression into and rebirth of lost tradition. Opening the inner eye would do no one any harm.
WODIN said:
All it really means is living long enough to reproduce. If you get some girl knocked up at sixteen, it doesn't matter if you have a congenital heart condition that kills you before age 18, you've already passed on your genes to the next generation.
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JayC9 said:
I'm the opposite in a way. I strongly look forward to the day when technology surpasses biology. When you think of the abundant number and types of experiences we are capable of with our darwinistic brain, you have to marvel at what we'll be capable of when we are intelligently designing our brains, which are the tools we use to interact with reality.
Our brains were built by a string of genetic accident, using limited materials (20 amino acids and a few minerals), for the purpose of mild advantages of living in the woods. Nonetheless we are capable of so much with our brains. The art, music, philosophy, humanities, spirituality and religion we create is unbelievably diverse. When we begin agumenting and redesigning human minds via technology we will open windows on spirituality, philosophy, contentment, peace, art and intelligence that we cannot fathom right now. Naturally we may also open bad doors, but we have to prepare ahead of time to stop that.
So I'm looking forward to a day when we understand the mind so well that we can shatter the limitations of our philosophies, rather than seeking a return to them. But that wouldn't be an end to spirituality, just opening it up for the first time. Whatever spiritual capacities our brains have were designed by accident using limited materials of amino acids and a few minerals. When we are intelligently designing the brain using intelligent design and abundant resources the level of spirituality, art & philosophy we can obtain will be unbelievable. It will make Jesus and Buddha look like Patrick Bateman. Too bad that this is at least 40-90 years off. Well probably both be alive then but it is a long way off. Ray Kurzweils optimistic graphing of exponential trends in neurology show a competent reverse engineering of the brain by the 2020s, but that is too optimistic for me.
I would really and truly love to be optimistic but I cannot, I'm not going to try to tie things together I'm just going to make observations:
1. Manmade environmental toxins are burdening our bodies at a rate higher than we were designed to DE-toxify them.
2. Particularly in industrialized countries, inferior quality humans are surviving into adulthood. I don't just mean health wise inferior quality, either, I'm talking stupid. When we evolved, stupid didn't survive as often to reproductive age, either. You had to be physically fit AND smart to avoid being food.
3. Hormonal birth control is causing women to make bad choices for mates resulting in more children being born with congenital birth problems.
4. Common use of plastic surgery is causing people to get laid who never would have before.
5. Due to greenhouse effect, the environment is changing (and for all I know, it may be a natural cycle of things).
6. No matter HOW many people there are, they all eat, shit, and produce garbage. This has to go somewhere. Damaging the land, air and oceans with our pollutants and toxins isn't JUST going to affect the animals, it's going to affect us. More people are getting chronic medical conditions. Yes, medicine gets smarter, and a lot of conditions that used to be deadly can now be lived with, but quality of life is decidedly inferior and people are chained to hospitals, pharmaceutical companies and doctors.
7. The more we mess with food, in terms of GMOs and using chemicals to force plants to grown in dead earth, the worse people's health is going to be.
8. Oh, the obesity thing, that's going to keep getting worse. Allergies too, and the diseases that go along with those conditions, as well, things like PCOS, diabetes, hypertension, stroke and some forms of cancer.
9. We're going to use the planet's resources until we use them up, then we're really going to have a problem.
10. A lot of species are going to become extinct in their natural environment, they will only exist in zoos and those specimens will become genetically inferior, too (the breeding rate is REALLY shitty in zoos because animals know and can smell who they should mate with).
So what are we left with? The majority of people being fat, stupid, ugly and sickly living on a ball of shit because the environment is fouled, who are taken advantage of by the smaller percentage of rich, well educated people whose entire purpose is to exploit anything and everyone. This state of affairs could go on for a few hundred years, or even a couple thousand, but eventually the hormonal disruptions due to environmental toxins and shitty health is going to win and birth rates will go down (fat women don't get pregnant and fat men don't produce motile sperm), or the environment is going to be so fouled that outdoor exposure will be equivalent to stepping inside a nuclear reactor, or some freak pandemic will wipe out the majority of the population, or the environment is going to go totally freaky due to environmental toxins and greenhouse air or just as a matter of course ... pick one.
The fucking dinosaurs lived for over 100 million years, we've been around about 100 thousand years, I seriously doubt our species can do 1 million, we have fucked things up royally in the past 250 years and it ain't getting better.
And the more scientists fuck with human genomes the faster shit is going downhill because NO human is as intelligent as natural selection and we will NEVER understand or be able to control the true mysteries of life.
Maybe a really big planet killer meteoroid will take the whole place out and we can start from a clean slate.
But to answer the original question, humanity is headed down the toilet. I just don't see enough people doing enough things to improve the overall situation.
1. Manmade environmental toxins are burdening our bodies at a rate higher than we were designed to DE-toxify them.
2. Particularly in industrialized countries, inferior quality humans are surviving into adulthood. I don't just mean health wise inferior quality, either, I'm talking stupid. When we evolved, stupid didn't survive as often to reproductive age, either. You had to be physically fit AND smart to avoid being food.
3. Hormonal birth control is causing women to make bad choices for mates resulting in more children being born with congenital birth problems.
4. Common use of plastic surgery is causing people to get laid who never would have before.
5. Due to greenhouse effect, the environment is changing (and for all I know, it may be a natural cycle of things).
6. No matter HOW many people there are, they all eat, shit, and produce garbage. This has to go somewhere. Damaging the land, air and oceans with our pollutants and toxins isn't JUST going to affect the animals, it's going to affect us. More people are getting chronic medical conditions. Yes, medicine gets smarter, and a lot of conditions that used to be deadly can now be lived with, but quality of life is decidedly inferior and people are chained to hospitals, pharmaceutical companies and doctors.
7. The more we mess with food, in terms of GMOs and using chemicals to force plants to grown in dead earth, the worse people's health is going to be.
8. Oh, the obesity thing, that's going to keep getting worse. Allergies too, and the diseases that go along with those conditions, as well, things like PCOS, diabetes, hypertension, stroke and some forms of cancer.
9. We're going to use the planet's resources until we use them up, then we're really going to have a problem.
10. A lot of species are going to become extinct in their natural environment, they will only exist in zoos and those specimens will become genetically inferior, too (the breeding rate is REALLY shitty in zoos because animals know and can smell who they should mate with).
So what are we left with? The majority of people being fat, stupid, ugly and sickly living on a ball of shit because the environment is fouled, who are taken advantage of by the smaller percentage of rich, well educated people whose entire purpose is to exploit anything and everyone. This state of affairs could go on for a few hundred years, or even a couple thousand, but eventually the hormonal disruptions due to environmental toxins and shitty health is going to win and birth rates will go down (fat women don't get pregnant and fat men don't produce motile sperm), or the environment is going to be so fouled that outdoor exposure will be equivalent to stepping inside a nuclear reactor, or some freak pandemic will wipe out the majority of the population, or the environment is going to go totally freaky due to environmental toxins and greenhouse air or just as a matter of course ... pick one.
The fucking dinosaurs lived for over 100 million years, we've been around about 100 thousand years, I seriously doubt our species can do 1 million, we have fucked things up royally in the past 250 years and it ain't getting better.
And the more scientists fuck with human genomes the faster shit is going downhill because NO human is as intelligent as natural selection and we will NEVER understand or be able to control the true mysteries of life.
Maybe a really big planet killer meteoroid will take the whole place out and we can start from a clean slate.
But to answer the original question, humanity is headed down the toilet. I just don't see enough people doing enough things to improve the overall situation.
Towards chaos.
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