where do you draw the line between

[fistfullofsteel]

We're supposed to forgive people anything.

so by that logic we should have forgiven/forgive Hitler for what he did?

 

[Silent Method]

Forgivness does not make any given act right. Say your girl cheats on you. NOTHING can make that right. Forgivness makes YOUR heart right.

 

[fistfullofsteel]

I would imagine it was for money... greed, a powerful sin for sure. The point is if you can understand, fully... if you can look at the situation from the other persons, with whatever knowledge they had, you will be able to see why, in their mind, selling you out was okay. Once you can understand that reason, you can forgive. One of the hardest things, and the reason forgiveness is so hard, is to look at situations from all different angles. For instance, if your girlfriend cheated on you... why did she do it? Do you truly know? If you can't ever understand the reasoning, you can't forgive because you long for understanding. If you felt as she did though, felt her compassion and feelings, you'd understand why she cheated on you... and once you understand this reasoning, forgiveness is the only option. Unfortunately, not enough people can look past their own interests to see a situation clearly, without bias. Therefore, they are confused, and unforgiving.

Why are so worried if we think someone cheated on you or not? You've said it like 4 times man!
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greed is something i can understand but it's not acceptable. that reason sucks pretty bad.

i mention it because you keep on bringing it up.

 

[PHATchik]

Yes, by that logic, we are supposed to. I didnt' say it was easy or that it could even be done. But it's what we are supposed to do. However, we have an inability to forgive. Especially on something like that, and I think it is justified. However, we are still supposed to do it.

 

[fistfullofsteel]

so although they did something wrong and there can be no fault on me or anybody else, i am supposed to be forgiveful no matter what?

what if i keep on getting pissed on, should i still be forgiving?

 

[PHATchik]

The actual logic behind that is that you forgive them. And then you put it behind you. In other words, you don't dwell. Even if you keep getting pissed off, you keep forgiving them.

 

[Silent Method]

so although they did something wrong and there can be no fault on me or anybody else, i am supposed to be forgiveful no matter what?

what if i keep on getting pissed on, should i still be forgiving?

Part of not being blind and stupid is getting out of the situation in which your getting pissed on. Forgive, but don't be a pawn.

 

[fistfullofsteel]

Part of not being blind and stupid is getting out of the situation in which your getting pissed on. Forgive, but don't be a pawn.

so there is a number of times i should be forgiving, but if that is true then i am not supposedly forgiving people for anything.

 

[Crazier]

so although they did something wrong and there can be no fault on me or anybody else, i am supposed to be forgiveful no matter what?

what if i keep on getting pissed on, should i still be forgiving?

I think you need a better understanding of what the act of forgiving entails. As silent pointed out... forgiveness is what you feel in your heart. Forgiveness doesn't mean you allow your partner to continually cheat on you, and you sit there, continually getting pissed on for their actions.

Forgiveness does not make a person's actions right. Even when you have forgiven someone, a divorce or break up may still follow.

When you forgive, your heart no longer bleeds about the issue because you can understand. When you can't understand, your heart bleeds, as you urn for understanding. Once you find the understading, your heart forgives, and you no longer live in pain.

When Jesus forgave people, that didn't mean he thought they shouldn't have to face their consequences for the wrong doing they committed. Rather, you ease your pain by forgiving the person... and that other person has to deal with actions that are brought forth to him because of his act. It is specifically stated in the bible... Matt 18:21 'That's what my heavenly father will do to you if you refuse to forgive your brothers and sisters in your heart.'

In your heart bro... think deeply.
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[JohnyJuice]

Beating them is the only true way to say "I forgive you".