When to start my PCT - this one is differant, not standard

[uberreem]

hello,

I know this is not the standard pct but i am on week 10 of my first test cycle and had to build a custom PCT loosely based on the "power pct" because i was talked out of doing HCG along with my cycle, so now that im doing this "unique" pct.

I need to know when to start it? here is what i can figure out so far, please let me know if its right... thanks!:


WEEK------test enanthate-------------HCG----------------------------Nolvadex----------Clomid

1-12-----------600mg test E

13--------------------------------1X ED (7 days)-----1000 IU

14--------------------------------1X ED (3 days)-----1000 IU

15--------------------------------------------------------------------40mg/Day--------100mg/day

16--------------------------------------------------------------------40mg/Day--------50mg/day

17--------------------------------------------------------------------20mg/Day--------50mg/day

18--------------------------------------------------------------------20mg/Day--------50mg/day

19--------------------------------------------------------------------20mg/Day

20--------------------------------------------------------------------20mg/Day

 

[RickRock13]

No need to go that high on Clomid. 50mg is plenty. You also need a good test booster to go with it. Test stack or Phytoserms would be perfect and best for recovery...


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[uberreem]

No need to go that high on Clomid. 50mg is plenty. You also need a good test booster to go with it. Test stack or Phytoserms would be perfect and best for recovery...


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ok so i lower the clomid and keep the rest of it as is? and introduce a good test boost? is that what you are saying? thanks

 

[paintballproam]

No need to go that high on Clomid. 50mg is plenty. You also need a good test booster to go with it. Test stack or Phytoserms would be perfect and best for recovery...


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Curious here, on any board I have ever read, people on average recommend at least week 1 be 100mg clomid, sometimes 150mg

I am in no way questioning if u are right, I'd just like if you could explain the reasoning behind this? Didn't start seeing the "no more than 50mg" stuff untill recently when I came back on this board.

 

[dylangemelli]

Curious here, on any board I have ever read, people on average recommend at least week 1 be 100mg clomid, sometimes 150mg

I am in no way questioning if u are right, I'd just like if you could explain the reasoning behind this? Didn't start seeing the "no more than 50mg" stuff untill recently when I came back on this board.

they fail to mention about how bad the sides are once you exceed 50 mg of clomid... they are recommending those doses running serm only pct's and putting themselves at risk of all the bad sides and not recovering properly... they have incomplete pct's and are overcompensating in the wrong way... Many people are not up to date with the newer style of pct, which is not only safer but more effective... When you incorporate everything, at the proper doses, you allow for optimal recovery, and are allowing yourself a much more successful pct with more keepable gains...

adding a combo of unleashed/post cycle as well as aromasin just enhanced your pct along with clomid by so much it is unbelievable... you have to be willing to try it and see for yourself and once you run it that way, see the results, feel the way you do, see the bloodwork, etc... you will realize that it is BY FAR the best option...

 

[RickRock13]

Anything over 50mg Clomid is redundant, producing no additional benefit while increasing side effects.

Having the proper things in PCT is crucial to ensure a good recovery, which I why I recommended the best stuff available for you.

Any questions feel free to PM me bud. You have most of it coveted well. Just needs a little fine tuning

 

[paintballproam]

Thanks guys! What you're saying definitely makes sense. Just wanted to ask the question out in the open so others can see as they research!

 

[dylangemelli]

Thanks guys! What you're saying definitely makes sense. Just wanted to ask the question out in the open so others can see as they research!

no problem bro... very happy to help... you can pm me anytime you have a question...

 

[Nelson Montana]

I think any amount of Clomid is shit . People will claim that it's proven,because people recover while on it but there are just as many people who recover without it, which suggests to me that it's useless.

Besides, at some point you have to come off. That's when recovery really begins.

 

[Shrine1]

I think any amount of Clomid is shit . People will claim that it's proven,because people recover while on it but there are just as many people who recover without it, which suggests to me that it's useless.

Besides, at some point you have to come off. That's when recovery really begins.

Im not as knowledgeable as you, but why would clomid be discussed at all if it didnt have a positive affect on PCT? Doesnt blood work prove it works? Help me understand why its not affective.

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[Nelson Montana]

Im not as knowledgeable as you, but why would clomid be discussed at all if it didnt have a positive affect on PCT? Doesnt blood work prove it works? Help me understand why its not affective.

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It's complicated. A lot of stuff was just theory. Dan Duchaine figured out since gyno was a form of breast tumor that breast tumor medicine would combat it. That morphed into people thinking that PCT estriogen rose, THEREFORE, nolva was good for PCT. it's total guesswork and it's wrong -- even Dan admitted that!

Clomid works similarly and in some cases it does increase T. In some cases it doesn;t and in some cases it increases estrogen. The thing NOT IN A SINGLE CASE does it keep T elevated. If it did, people would do cycles of CLomid and have higher and higher T levels! You have to come off and then T will drop back down to where it was. So why bother?

PCT needs to be a way of adjusting to naturally producing testosterone and having as much bioavailable testosterone while you do it. Only two things do that -- proviron and UNLEASHED. And proviron is suppressive.

SO does that mean that anyone who used only UNLEASHED would have recovered fine? You betcha. So, even if Clomid didn't make you feel like shit or fuck with your vision, it isn't really necessary.

 

[Shrine1]

So Post Cycle/Unleashed in PCT would suffice as a good protocol? So in other words, letting the body recover naturally is the best Post Cycle therapy outside of test booters?

I agree the benefits I received from the combo of the two were definetly noticeably so I will keep those two products on deck no doubt.

So let me ask you then what is your PCT protocol after a test cycle?

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[Nelson Montana]

So Post Cycle/Unleashed in PCT would suffice as a good protocol? So in other words, letting the body recover naturally is the best Post Cycle therapy outside of test booters?

I agree the benefits I received from the combo of the two were definetly noticeably so I will keep those two products on deck no doubt.

So let me ask you then what is your PCT protocol after a test cycle?

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I think a couple of hits of HCG is good to get things moving again and a litttle a-dex can prevent against estro rebound, but other than that, UNLEASHED and PF POST-CYCLE is the best thing you can do to recover. Using HCgenerate during your cycle and BRIDGE after PCT can help as well. The former to keep LH functional and the later to maintain gains.

 

[Shrine1]

I think a couple of hits of HCG is good to get things moving again and a litttle a-dex can prevent against estro rebound, but other than that, UNLEASHED and PF POST-CYCLE is the best thing you can do to recover. Using HCgenerate during your cycle and BRIDGE after PCT can help as well. The former to keep LH functional and the later to maintain gains.

Good to know. Im actually double dosing Bridge right now after PCT, so I definetly feel on track.

But I was under the impression that adex stoppage at the end of PCT would result in a estro rebound. So wouldnt aromasin be a better choice?

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[Nelson Montana]

Good to know. Im actually double dosing Bridge right now after PCT, so I definetly feel on track.

But I was under the impression that adex stoppage at the end of PCT would result in a estro rebound. So wouldnt aromasin be a better choice?

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either/or

 

[RickRock13]

Clomid stimulates LH, which is exactly what you need in PCT since your LH is basically at zero after being shutdown. LH is what tells your body to produce test. While on Clomid your testosterone levels will rise much quicker than normal, and exceed normal levels. It is true that it is temporary, however when you come off your levels return to normal range which is where you are trying to end up anyways. To each their own, but I would never run a PCT without a SERM. Everything has its place, and I believe test boosters, AIs, and SERMS are all an essential part of PCT.

 

[dylangemelli]

Clomid stimulates LH, which is exactly what you need in PCT since your LH is basically at zero after being shutdown. LH is what tells your body to produce test. While on Clomid your testosterone levels will rise much quicker than normal, and exceed normal levels. It is true that it is temporary, however when you come off your levels return to normal range which is where you are trying to end up anyways. To each their own, but I would never run a PCT without a SERM. Everything has its place, and I believe test boosters, AIs, and SERMS are all an essential part of PCT.

My thoughts exactly... I also think aromasin is far superior than adex in every way, especially in pct...

Aromasin has the ability to increase free Testosterone and IGF (Insulin Growth Factor) levels in the body. Because of this, this drug is also very useful during PCT (Post Cycle Therapy) regimes when one is trying to restore natural Testosterone production levels in order to avoid a post cycle "crash". Since one of the main goals of PCT is getting estro under control, the very last thing you want is a big estro spike right at the end. Aromasin prevents this from occurring, keeping estrogen under control, preventing rebound and getting you on the right track to a full and efficient recovery...

 

[Shrine1]

Well put. I know the what, but understanding the why is most important. Thanks RR, Dylan and Nelson for elaborating.

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[Shrine1]

Clomid stimulates LH, which is exactly what you need in PCT since your LH is basically at zero after being shutdown. LH is what tells your body to produce test. While on Clomid your testosterone levels will rise much quicker than normal, and exceed normal levels. It is true that it is temporary, however when you come off your levels return to normal range which is where you are trying to end up anyways. To each their own, but I would never run a PCT without a SERM. Everything has its place, and I believe test boosters, AIs, and SERMS are all an essential part of PCT.

Under what circumstances does one use both Nolva and clomid together? Does it just depend on the cycle or is it some compounds that suppress more then others and thats when you use both?

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