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When do you think the end of the world will come?

Hmmm....

HansNZ said:
If you have accepted someone's notion that you must behave or believe certain things otherwise you are a sinner then you have lost your free will.
I do respect your views, but don't you see the irony of your position?

If I accept what you are contending above as correct, consider this.

Let's say as some would contend, Lucifer is the true god. I reject Lucifer because I choose to believe Jehovah is the true God. Wouldn't that make me a "sinner" according to Satanists? So either I still have free will, or agnostics are the only ones who still have "free will."
 
Needhelp said:
How exactly is the United States refered to in the book of revelations?
And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it.

And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
Daniel 7:3-7 (KJV)
In prophecy, God uses beasts to symbolize kingdoms.

"The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man's heart was given to it."

The official symbol of England is the lion. The official symbol of the USA is the American Bald Eagle. The USA came out of England and became independant via the Revolutionary War. Unlike any other nation, when the USA conquers an enemy, we turn around and rebuild that nation. We give more humanitarian aid than any other nation on earth. We also have the Uncle Sam persona.

"And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh."

The bear is the known symbol of Russia (and the Soviet Union). Russia has three territories in dispute with China on one side.

"After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it."

Germany being the leopard is harder to see. This beast has four heads and four wings. It is also given dominion. Germany is in it's fourth reich today. It is also a leader in European economic matters.

"After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns."

This beast is currently emerging, but not yet identified. It is believed to be the UN, but the ten horns indicates ten powers will lead it. This pattern has yet to be understood, but the UN is far from being fully formed. The UN is responsible for more destruction in the world than any other nation. In the name of peace, they have caused more conflict than anyone else.

ALSO, FOR FREE....

The four horsemen of the apocalypse....

Black ... The offical color of capitalism
White ... The offical color of Roman Catholicism
Red ... The official color of communism/socialism
Death/Green ... The official color of Islam

In other words....the four powers dominant in the world when the end comes/Jesus returns.
 
Revelation 9

14 It said to the sixth angel who had the trumpet, "Release the four angels who are bound at the great river Euphrates." ---

Interesting......The mouth of the Euphrates is in Turkey.[

15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.

Didn't GW start this whole thing about a year ago...

16 And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them

Sounds about right for the troop deployments going on with this coaltion

17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.

Breastplates might be kevlar.
Horses migh be Humvees with missle mounts.




18 By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.

19 For their power is in their mouth, and in their tails: for their tails were like unto serpents, and had heads, and with them they do hurt.

sounds like a black hawk helicopter to me.....
 
You guys have gone a little off the deep end with your predictions.

Remember, when you read the bible consider the audiance and the purpose of the delivered message.

Think about it. Why would people 2000 years ago need to know about world events today?

Lets look at what sound interpretation of scripture had revealed to people of that day.

The lion represented Babylon (winged lions have been recovered from babylonian ruins)

The bear that ravaged the lion was Medo-Persia.

leopard was Greece (the swiftness of Alexander the great).

The eagle represented Rome.

Many other claims made above are nothing more than bogus. I can go over more in detail, but i must go to work.

Please, be careful where you get your info. Test all things with scholarly studies.
 
Spirit of error....

Rogue Warrior said:
....Remember, when you read the bible consider the audiance and the purpose of the delivered message.

Think about it. Why would people 2000 years ago need to know about world events today?....
Your views on the beasts of Daniel and Revelation have long been debunked as error.

The endtime prophecies were written for the last generation, not the people living 2,000 years ago.

Much error is taught on this because many "scholars" insist that they know what the Bible means and that's the explanation they came up with.
 
BG, your views defy logic.

The only prophacy we have to look forward to is Christ second coming which He himself proclaimed, no man knows the hour.

People have tried to do for years what you are doing and have failed. Everytime there was a major war people tried to stick the latest headline behind some scripture that was woefully out of context.

The Jehovah's Witnesses have predicted the second coming of Christ several times and failed. (1914 & 1975) Many who criticize Jw's for this, are guilty of exactly the same thing with their "signs of the times" speculation. Both groups use exactly the same passages to predict exactly the same thing: the second coming. Both groups are wrong. The Bible passages they use have absolutely nothing to do with the second coming but are ripped completely out of context!
A man wanted to study the Bible, so he placed his Bible on his lap & prayed for guidance. He closed his eyes, opened the Bible at random then dropped his index finder anywhere on the page. This he did three times. Here was the result. 1. "Judas went and hung himself" 2. "go and do likewise" 3. "what you do, do quickly". This kind of random collection of totally unrelated scriptures is exactly what is done to try to prove their point on current signs and Bible prophecy. The subject is not really that difficult if it is approached with care.



Just out of curiosity, what makes you think this is the last generation?
 
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Okay brolys, I began typing some of this info on prophecy & why it's believed we are living in the end of time (pre-rapture). There is simply way too much for me to type, so I am typing & summarizing some of the most significant and particular info that relates to some of our discussions in this thread.

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Let me start by giving 'major' events both past & yet to come that has either been fulfilled or will be fulfilled in the future. (beginning to end)

Death enter the human race
(Gen. 6-8, Gen 2:17)
Birth of the jewish nation
(Gen. 9:26; 12:2; 17:4-6)
Israel's enslavement in and exodus from Eqypt
(Gen. 15:13,14,16; Ex. 3:8; 6:6)
Israel receives the Law and enters the Promised Land
(Gen 15:18-21; Ex. 3:12; 15:14-16; 17:14-16; 23:29,30 Num. 14:23,32-35 Deut. 7:1-5,17-26 Josh. 1:6 Judg. 1:2)
Birth if Kingdom of Israel
(Deut. 17:14 1Sam. 13:14;15:23,28; 25:30,31 2Sam. 7:12, 13)
The Kingdom divided
(1Kin. 11:11-13, 30-32)
Kingdom of Israel falls
(Hos. 1:4-6; 2:11-13; 10:4-8 Amos 3:11,12; 5:2, 3, 27 Mic. 1:3-7)
Judah's worship of God is restored
(1Kin. 13:2,3)
Judah falls to Babylon
(Deut. 29:22-28 Is. 2:6-21; 6:11, 12; 39:6,7 Jer 5:19; 18:15-17; 21:7; 32:28-32 Ezek. 5:11-17; 7:1-27 Amos 2:4,5 Mic 3:12 Hab 1:5-11 Zeph 1:4-18)
Remnant of Judah returns from exile
(Is. 1:9; :13; 43:5-7 Jer 3:18; 16:14,15; 25:11; 29:10 Ezek 11:17; 34:11-16; 36:22-24 Mic 4:10 Hab 3:16-19 Zeph 3:20 Zech 8:7,8; 10:9,10)
The temple is restored
(Jer 27:22 Obad 17 Hag 2:23 Zech 1:16; 4:8-10; 6:15; 8:9)
Birth of Christ the Messiah
(Is 6:1; 7:14; 9:6; 61:1-3 Dan 9:25 Mic 5:2 Mal. 3:1)
Birth and ministry of Christ
(Is 6:1;7:14; 9:6, 7; 11:1-3; 61:1-3 Jer 31:15 Mic 5:2 John 1:26-34)
Crucifixion, Resurrection, Ascension of Christ
(Gen 3:15 Ps 22:1, 7,8,14, 16-18; 34:20; 69:21 Is 50:6; 53:1-12 Dan 9:24-27 Zech 9:9; 11:12,13)
Pentecost and Descent of the Holy Spirit
(Joel 2:28-32 Luke 24:49 John 16:7-15)
Destruction of Jerusalem
(Dan 9:26 Matt 24:2)
Return of the Jews
(Is 11:11-16; 60:8-16 Jer 3:18; 16:14,15; 23:3-8; 31:8 Ezek 20:40-44; 34:11-28; 36:24-32; 37:1-28 Hos 3:4,5; 6:1,2 Amos 9:11,12)
Rapture
(1Cor 15:51,52 1Thess 4:16-18)
Judgement seat of Christ
(1Cor 3:13-15 2Cor 5:4,10 1Pet 5:4)
Tribulation
(Is 2:19-21; 28:20,21 Dan 12:1 Joel 2:1-11 Matt 24:4-26 Rev. 6:1-19:6)
Armageddon
(Is 11:4,5; 63:1-6 Ezek 39:1-29 Joel 3:1-17 Zeph 3:8 Zech 14:1-3 Rev 19:17-21)
Second coming of Christ
(Dan 7:9-14 Zech 12:9-14; 14:4-11 Mal 3:1-3; 4:1-6 Matt 24:27-30 Rev 19:11-16)
Judgement of Nations
(Matt 25:31-46)
The Millennium
(Ps 8:6 Is 2:2-4; 11:4-10; 35:1-10 Jer 31:27-34; 33:12-26 Ezek 36:33-38; 40:1-48:35 Joel 2:21-27; 3:18-21 Amos 9:13-15 Mic 4:1-7 Hab 2:14 Zeph 3:20 Hag 2:6-9 Zech 8:3,4; 14:16-21 rev 20:4-10)
Great White Throne Judgement
(Rev 20:11-14)
Destruction of the earth by fire
(2Pet 3:5-13 Rev 20:11; 21:1)
New Jerusalem
(Is 60:13-22; 65:17; 66:22 Rev 21:1-22:5)

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Now, to be more precise, there are over 8,300 verses in the Bible which contain predictive prophecy.
I have a list of over 600 of these currently. Again, I am not going to type hundreds of prophetic scriptures and thier fulfillment scriptures also. (I have not got that much time).

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How do we know we are living in the last days before the second coming of Christ?

1. Knowledge shall increase and people will travel to and fro (Dan. 12:4) Just look at how much knowledge has increased in the past few decades. I can't recall exactly, but it took several hundreds of years for knowledge to double. Now it doubles every 10 months or so. Look at travel, we now have supersonic planes,
automobiles, space shuttles, monorail speed trains, etc. From the Garden of Eden until 1900, men walked or rode horses. Within just a few years, mankind has invented all the above travel methods mentioned above.

2. The prophet Zechariah didn't know how to describe what he say in his vision, so he called it a plague. This "plague" was sent out to all who came to fight against Jerusalem in the last days.
The plague would consume a man's flesh while he was left standing. His eyes would dissolve in their sockets and his tongue would dissolve in his mouth. (Zech. 14:12-15) This was a mystery until the invention of the atomic bomb which can produce a 150 million Fahrenheit temperature in one millionth of a second! Atomic, nuclear, neutron weaponry will be used in the Middle East.

3. In the last days, there will be famines and pestilence. (Matt. 24:7,8) Although I don't believe this has fully hapened yet, it is ever increasing. The starving is on an increase. Also look at all the new & widespread diseases that have occured recently.

4. Mass deception: Jesus warned "Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name....and will
deceive many....for false christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to deceive, if possible, even the elect" (Matt. 24:4,5,24). Secular humanism, new age theroies and philosophies are all deception. The apostate church, which has a form of godliness, but denies the power of God, is deception.

5. As I described in a previous post, the two witnesses in Revelation whom are executed and whos dead bodies are seen for 3 1/2 days by all of the world at once. This was thought of as impossible until the inventions of televisions, satellites, and internet. This could never had happened in any other
previous times where people thought the end of the world was coming, not even 30 years ago. It is now, however, very possible.

6. Jesus said in Matthew, "But of that day and hour no one knows, no, not even the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be." (Matt. 24:36,37). In the days of Noah, according to Genesis, man's wickedness on the earth was very great and that "every intent o fthe thoughts of his heart was only evil continually" (Gen. 6:5). I think the current news headlines speak volumes on this subject, so I won't elaborate.

7. Probably the one of the most important prophecies to ever come true was the rebirth of Israel. Every major prophet in the Old Testament testified that God would bring the Jewish people out of their Gentile graves (nations) and bring them back to Israel before the coming of the Lord. This is also prophesied in Isaiah 66:8. This happened in May 1948.

8. The bible predicts that Jerusalem will not be under Gentile rule in the last days. The Jewish people did not control the Holy City from 70 A.D. (when Romans took control) until the Six-Day War of 1967. Jesus said that Jerusalem would be "trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled" (Luke 21:24). king David said, "For the Lord shall build up Zion (Jerusalem); He shall appear in his glory" (Ps. 102:16). Jerusalem is under Jewish control for the first time in nearly two thousand years.

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There is also a lot of info I'd like to share concerning the battle of Armageddon (when nations come against Israel). I may type this if I get the time to.

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references: King James Version Bible, John C. Hagee Prophecy Study Bible, Jack Van Impe Ministries various publications, Dr David Jerimiah publications, and various excerpts from other sources
 
Error....

Rogue Warrior said:
....The only prophacy we have to look forward to is Christ second coming which He himself proclaimed, no man knows the hour.

People have tried to do for years what you are doing and have failed....
To be brief (gotta get to something soon), Jesus said no man could know THE DAY OR HOUR, but the Bible makes it clear that God intends His people to be aware of the time and season of Jesus' return. Reason? The power of evil to deceive will be so powerful in the end that Christians need to be prepared.

If you study scripture, you can't nail down the day or hour of Jesus' return. You can't even fortell a year. However, it is clear that Jesus returns at the battle of Armageddon. This happens at the end of Daniel's 70th week (last 7 years). At the beginning of this seven years is the confirmation of a covenant that enables Israel to build it's third temple.

Don't know the day or hour? Yep.

Know when we're in the last 7 years? Yep.

No conflicts.

Past people try to set dates without understanding prophecy. Oh, and the Jehovah Witness is a schizm of Christianity full of unbiblical doctrine and practices....not surprised at the result.
 
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