I love the stuff, I have used it on a very limited bridging basis, meaning I would take 30-40mg of IP 3-4 times a week before a workout and I was making steady progress AND losing bodyfat, AND increasing vascularity. I am getting ready to do a cycle of 40mg of Spanish generic ox ED for 75 days. This will cost me roughly 300 dollars, I will suffer virtually zero sides, lose bodyfat, and attain my goal of 10 lbs of lean body mass by incorporating superb training techniques and diet, 1000mg ALA per day, large doses of creatine and glutamine, both of which work systergenically with oxandrolone.