whats your slin protical?

[joe d]

i researching using slin on my cruize periods of 4-6 wks depending on how lung my blasts are. humilin r seems the easiest to come by so i may use that unless i find reason not to. i still have some learning to do first before i start.

tell me your how your meals, training, and sleap wrap around your slin injections and at what doses of what and for how long?

and in advance YES I DO KNOW THAT SLIN IS DANGEROUS AND A TOUCHY SUBJECT HERE. im just not seing these crazy dangers that make it so bad as aposed to test, tren, var, ect. it seems to me that with half a brain you can keep everything in controll.

 

[jacshelb]

I used humalog post workout during my last cycle. I did between 2 5 iu with about 60-90 grams of carbs depending on dose. I noticed that using it post cycle I always looked a bit watery and put on some extra fat. Then I learned about pre-workout slin. as long as your carb intake is sufficient (I'd drink a shake starting immediately after my shot and continuing through my workout, sipping it and then have something to eat or another shake post workout) you get much better results. I actually got leaner doing this. I took in bcaas, eaas, creatine and dextrose (or waxy maize, dextrose tasted better no effectual difference imo).

The weird part is that I tried to do this pct and had trouble handling the blood sugar drop. Never had a problem on cycle, but did after when not on anything else. Never passed out, but got shakey and felt weak and like I might black out if I stood up too fast- that sort of thing. I got a bit of food in me and was fine in a couple minutes.

 

[bigtravis]

Don't

 

[DJ_UFO]

It's protocol brother. Not protical.

 

[joe d]

Re: whats your slin protocol?

It's protocol brother. Not protical.

thanks lol.

 

[richardbraden]

I used humalog post workout during my last cycle. I did between 2 5 iu with about 60-90 grams of carbs depending on dose. I noticed that using it post cycle I always looked a bit watery and put on some extra fat. Then I learned about pre-workout slin. as long as your carb intake is sufficient (I'd drink a shake starting immediately after my shot and continuing through my workout, sipping it and then have something to eat or another shake post workout) you get much better results. I actually got leaner doing this. I took in bcaas, eaas, creatine and dextrose (or waxy maize, dextrose tasted better no effectual difference imo).

The weird part is that I tried to do this pct and had trouble handling the blood sugar drop. Never had a problem on cycle, but did after when not on anything else. Never passed out, but got shakey and felt weak and like I might black out if I stood up too fast- that sort of thing. I got a bit of food in me and was fine in a couple minutes.

You had a hypo, they can feel nasty sometimes.

you should drink 200 - 400 ml of a glucose based drink then eat a carb based food in the event of a hypo.

Usually if my blood sugar is around the 20's+ mark a jab of 30 to 40 IU novomix will bring me down towards a hypo (below 4 blood sugar)

 

[jacshelb]

Thanks. I understood what was going on and took care of it quickly. But, just wanted to explain what it was like and what needed done. What I was saying the weird part was that I never had this problem while on cycle. But, they do say aas can make you slightly insulin resistant- so that likely had something to do with it.

 

[joe d]

anyone else?

 

[richardbraden]

anyone else?

what kind of info do you need?

 

[joe d]

what kind of info do you need?

im looking for examples of dosages/cycles and how the special dieting lays out around the slin. (the added carb timing ect).

i would be running it on my cruize periods where ill be on nothing other than 250mg test ew and ephedra

 

[richardbraden]

im looking for examples of dosages/cycles and how the special dieting lays out around the slin. (the added carb timing ect).

i would be running it on my cruize periods where ill be on nothing other than 250mg test ew and ephedra

If your taking insulin you should be eating before or as you are taking not after.

As far as my knowledge goes, basically you dont cycle insulin you just take it and match the lowered blood sugar with calories/nutrient.

Either you make it up with sugar based foods or eat proper food, if your eating just complex carbs etc... it will take slightly longer to bring your sugar inline

 

[bentoverrow]

Re: whats your slin protocol?

i researching using slin on my cruize periods of 4-6 wks depending on how lung my blasts are. humilin r seems the easiest to come by so i may use that unless i find reason not to. i still have some learning to do first before i start.

tell me your how your meals, training, and sleap wrap around your slin injections and at what doses of what and for how long?

and in advance YES I DO KNOW THAT SLIN IS DANGEROUS AND A TOUCHY SUBJECT HERE. im just not seing these crazy dangers that make it so bad as aposed to test, tren, var, ect. it seems to me that with half a brain you can keep everything in controll.

10 iu first thing in the morning.
10 IU after workout.
use humalog not humalin R.
humalog has a much shorter active window
evenshorter if you go IM instead of subq.
eat like your still bulking and depending on your metabolism you may want to avoid fats during usage.
keep carb shakes handy and make good use of them.
your gonna have killer workouts...
read up on basskiller's site.
Insulin will kill that cortisol rebound and has crazy antioxidants to boot. It's freakin beautiful.

P.S. My father in law works R.D. for Eli Lilly...and you are right its not nearly as bad as people make it out to be.

Bent

 

[joe d]

Re: whats your slin protocol?

10 iu first thing in the morning.
10 IU after workout.
use humalog not humalin R.
humalog has a much shorter active window
evenshorter if you go IM instead of subq.
eat like your still bulking and depending on your metabolism you may want to avoid fats during usage.
keep carb shakes handy and make good use of them.
your gonna have killer workouts...
read up on basskiller's site.
Insulin will kill that cortisol rebound and has crazy antioxidants to boot. It's freakin beautiful.

P.S. My father in law works R.D. for Eli Lilly...and you are right its not nearly as bad as people make it out to be.

Bent

that site is packed with info thanks for the link. k to you

 

[bigtravis]

im looking for examples of dosages/cycles and how the special dieting lays out around the slin. (the added carb timing ect).

i would be running it on my cruize periods where ill be on nothing other than 250mg test ew and ephedra

As ridiculaous as it may sound this is what you do. Start out with 1iu 30 min after workout and drink a high simple/complex carb drink shortly after. Then another 30 min later eat a large meal high in carbs and protein. Do this ed but increase your dose by only 1iu per day till you get to a very safe comfort zone. I never went more than 4iu per day post workout and recieved tremendous results. IT'S ALL YOU NEED.

 

[jimmy04]

cycle- 1000mg sust
400mg tren ace
100mg dbol
200mg mast
12iu pw slin. (novorapid)

i use slin for about 3-4 wks every so often. 12iu post workout has never caused me any problems, had a hypo ages ago now, wasnt a nice time lol just threw in some carbs and was fine. what i do is shoot 12iu then pw shake 100g glucose 40-60g whey. then 1hr after this i take in 40g whey 120g oats then i usualy go by how i feel. maby tuna potato and orange juice. this is usualy enough if not i am at home about 20min afta 1st shake and have lots of easy carbs around. i train at all diffrent times so just make sure to stay awake for 3hr after jab. i am going to use slin in my pct too. will see how i feel about the dose then though as you are more sensitive to slin when you are vot on aas.

 

[jimmy04]

was thinking about using slow and fast slin on my next cycle 20-30iu slow in a.m and 5iu fast in the a.m and p/w. would have to eat clean all day and keep an eye on blood level

 

[joe d]

As ridiculaous as it may sound this is what you do. Start out with 1iu 30 min after workout and drink a high simple/complex carb drink shortly after. Then another 30 min later eat a large meal high in carbs and protein. Do this ed but increase your dose by only 1iu per day till you get to a very safe comfort zone. I never went more than 4iu per day post workout and recieved tremendous results. IT'S ALL YOU NEED.

doesnt sound rediculous at all. sounds plain and simple. the way i like it. thanks.

 

[bigtravis]

Needto this is why I feel slin should be taboo here. Just above me.

 

[joe d]

so here is what im looking at. humilin r

starting at 1iu per day working towards no more that 8iu per day on training days only.

inject imediately post w/o then my normal post w/o big blast. then 1/2 hour later another big blast. then 1 hour later a meal lean steak or chicken with a sweat tater. then continuing to eat my normal way except no or low fat for the nex meal. i will carry a couple clucose shots (drinks) with me all the time along with a few sugar packets. and i am with my wife for 4 hours after every shot (no exceptions). she will carry sugar packets and a glucagon pen and knows what to do.

 

[bentoverrow]

so here is what im looking at. humilin r

starting at 1iu per day working towards no more that 8iu per day on training days only.

inject imediately post w/o then my normal post w/o big blast. then 1/2 hour later another big blast. then 1 hour later a meal lean steak or chicken with a sweat tater. then continuing to eat my normal way except no or low fat for the nex meal. i will carry a couple clucose shots (drinks) with me all the time along with a few sugar packets. and i am with my wife for 4 hours after every shot (no exceptions). she will carry sugar packets and a glucagon pen and knows what to do.[/QUOT

Humalog is much faster, active for only half the time humalin R is
if you inject IM intstead if SubQ the hypo spike is less pronounced. You dont need a script if you know where to look...

Bent

 

[joe d]

so here is what im looking at. humilin r

starting at 1iu per day working towards no more that 8iu per day on training days only.

inject imediately post w/o then my normal post w/o big blast. then 1/2 hour later another big blast. then 1 hour later a meal lean steak or chicken with a sweat tater. then continuing to eat my normal way except no or low fat for the nex meal. i will carry a couple clucose shots (drinks) with me all the time along with a few sugar packets. and i am with my wife for 4 hours after every shot (no exceptions). she will carry sugar packets and a glucagon pen and knows what to do.[/QUOT

Humalog is much faster, active for only half the time humalin R is
if you inject IM intstead if SubQ the hypo spike is less pronounced. You dont need a script if you know where to look...

Bent

im done with mail order. but i do understand the humalog would be the more effective choice considering its quick peak.

 

[Tami Bellon]

From my husband...

Humulin R is cheap and legal. The rule is to use 7-9 grams of carbs per unit. Try taking just post workout as well. Insulin is a shuttling agent so take your creatine, bcaas and protein as well. A mix of carbs is nice. Oats, dried fruit and a waxy product is a solid blend to help you during that 5-6 hour window of humulins effects. If you feel hot, cold sweats, dizzy relax! Slowly add in some SUGAR like syrup, borwn sugar or just refined white sugar. SMALL AMOUNTS. People tend to freak out and take in too much and then start getting fat with consistently having too many carbs pwo. Avoid fats during this window as well. Just to be on the safe side.

--FUTURE

 

[joe d]

im up to 5u per day post w/o only. im comfortable here for now. i notice im kind of blowing up a bit so to speak. im drinking a 80g whey shake made in soda with glutamine and creatine on my 5min trip home from the gym as soon as i get home i inject into my stomach fat. then 30 minutes later im drinking another gatorade shake with big blast, then 45 minutes later im eating chicken white rice and broccoli then 1 hour later beef and more rice then 2 hours later on with my regular eating.

 

[future]

You only need about 50 grams of carbs pwo in that case. I also think you are eating too much during that time. Normally its pwo...then an hour later eat...then 2 hours later eat...then 3 hours later if need be eat.

 

[joe d]

You only need about 50 grams of carbs pwo in that case. I also think you are eating too much during that time. Normally its pwo...then an hour later eat...then 2 hours later eat...then 3 hours later if need be eat.

thats actually my normal bulking diet. the only difference is that i removed the fat from the real food meal following the shakes and that i replaced one of the complec carbs with white rice. i cant eat less. i could cut back on the simple carbs and add some complex? or possibly go up an iu or 2? but i dont know if i want to do that.

i get hungry quick post w/o without the slin. i fill up then a half hour later im getting hungry lol.

 

[future]

Be careful because that is how slin gets the rep for making people fat.

 

[joe d]

Be careful because that is how slin gets the rep for making people fat.

i got ya. i'll keep an eye on the bf% im also running tren and ephedra, im hoping that may help. we will see. thanks for the heads up.

 

[joe d]

results are amazing so far. im at 10iu 2x per day. my bf is still 21% and i am growing. my muscles are getting rediculously pumped and are full as hell just about all day. no hypo scares yet but my wife and i are ready if it happens.

 

[bentoverrow]

results are amazing so far. im at 10iu 2x per day. my bf is still 21% and i am growing. my muscles are getting rediculously pumped and are full as hell just about all day. no hypo scares yet but my wife and i are ready if it happens.

+1 of feeling full and crazy pumps..after 3 days of use I have to cut back I get lower back pumps that twice as bad a dbol. Youre gonna grow like crazy man..youll see. Even if you cut the anabolics youll grow. I love this stuff its nuts!

 

[bigtravis]

From my husband...

exactly. I always did only post workout. Right afterwards I would drink a creatine and glycogen loader along with complex and simple carbs. then a high protein meal. Excellent results if done safely and correctly.

 

[future]

Good deal Joe. Just cycle off for a while. I would go only 4 weeks straight.

 

[gautho]

Its a loaded question because its so individualized. My rule of thumb with Humulin R is 30g's of carbs per iu of slin, 1/2 complex and the other 1/2 dextrose. For example: If i take 6 ius of slin....i take in 180 carbs.....90 complex and 90 dextrose. This past year i changed things up and noticed much better results with less hypoglycemic events. 6 iu's of Humulin N(long acting) in the am, then 6 iu's of humulin R at noon, and lastly 6 iu's of humalog(fast acting) pwo. Carb intake 700g's...prolly same 1/2 and 1/2 strategy...350 and 350. I know the numbers don't factor in the original rule, but i increased it as a little insurance because when your dealing with longer acting slin...your predictability decreases. Now of course this is just an example of offseason dosing.