What's your post cycle CYCLE look like???

[Mike P.T.]

1.25mg femera eod for 4 weeks.
100mg clomid ed for 10 days followed by 50mg ed for 10 days.
Extra vitamin C upped from 1 gram ed to 3 grams ed to help with catabolic conditions.
Possibley a glutamine/creatine combo at 5 grams of each 2 times a day.

That's about it for me. Did something similar last year after having been on for over 6 months and recovered just fine.

So what do you guys do post cycle?

 

[Mini Viper]

as posted by Mike PT

So what do you guys do post cycle?

Well, I'm midway thru my cycle but when I finish I plan to do the follwing as my post cycle:

HCG 1000iu/week for 2 weeks follwed by
Clomid 50mg/day for 2 weeks
Proviron 25mg/day throughout the post cycle
Milk thistle (dosage as on bottle)
Avena sativa (dosage as on bottle)
That should do me.

Generally I run proviron 25mg/day during cycle and post cycle.
My current cycle is sus250 for 8 weeks and dbol for first 3 weeks.

Mini

 

[_Yossarian_]

I just started my PCT today:

20mg nolva e/d for 5 weeks
1000iu HCG eod for two weeks
25 mg proviron ed
v12/creatine combo
gplenish glutamine peptides 3 scoops ed
b12 inj. 1000mcg every 2-3 days (wanted to try it out)

 

[_Yossarian_]

I just started my PCT today:

20mg nolva e/d for 5 weeks
1000iu HCG eod for two weeks
25 mg proviron ed
2 g avena sativa ed
v12/creatine combo
gplenish glutamine peptides 3 scoops ed
b12 inj. 1000mcg every 2-3 days (wanted to try it out)

 

[Mike P.T.]

That's right I forgot b-12. I have some b-12 which I will use at 3000mcg injected once a week.

 

[pharmguy]

Post-cycle-
drol-50 mg
prop-200 mgED
Deca-1G/week

Nolva 10 mg ED

 

[_Yossarian_]

That's right I forgot b-12. I have some b-12 which I will use at 3000mcg injected once a week.

yeah, for some strange reason, Im really enjoying injecting a bright red liquid into my body. Is this normal?

 

[pharmguy]

Post-cycle-
drol-50 mg
prop-200 mgED Deca-1G/week

J/K


HCG- 10000 IU's over 2 weeks followed by clomid 50 MG ED for 2 months.
L-Dex .5 mg Every third day
keep protein @ 250 gram/day

2.5 mg dbol+ 2.5 mg Var in AM after 1 month off for bridge.

Any suggestions to the above are welcomed!

(without flames)

 

[psychedout]

In about 4 weeks, it will look something like this.

20mg nolva ED -- 3 weeks
Clomid starting at 300mg day1-tapering down to 50mg -- 3 weeks
zinc 100mg -- until next cycle begins
creatine 5 gram twice daily -- until next cycle begins
milk thistle twice daily -- i think its 300mg, not 100% sure

might add a few other goodies, but thats it for now

 

[psychedout]

Im curious pharmguy, the bridge you are running is based on the idea of riding the bodies natural test spike in the am. I was under the assumption it can only be done with dbol. So it can be done with var too?

 

[pharmguy]

I am guessing that such a small amount of var will have a minimal impact on natural test levels, and the impact it will have will be well compensated for by the protein sparing efeects of var. I have never heard of anyone doing this bridge, it is my idea. The theory on dbol is that its short half life (4 hours) will have a minimal effect on test. basically, for 20 hours a day you are not getting negative feedback from the exogenous hormone.

 

[psychedout]

Interesting. Well pharmaguy, let us know how it goes.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Some of these post cycle cycles sound like cycles.

90% of it is excessive and unnecessary.

Anything after 5000 IUs of HCG is just suppressing you.

Glutamine, creatine and B12 all do nothing for restoring the HPTa.

Bridging is a farce.

Clomid blows.

All you need is proviron plus the right supps for libido, erectile function, liver protection and maintenance of e.

 

[pharmguy]

All you need is proviron plus the right supps for libido, erectile function, liver protection and maintenance of e.

Nelson,
Not to split hairs here with you but, If I am going to use an AAS for anything, it is going to be to keep gains and not libido. And proviron is an AAS, and inhibitory. probably in the neighborhood of what 5 mg dbol would do

 

[Mike P.T.]

Glutamine, creatine and B12 all do nothing for restoring the HPTa.

Clomid blows.

All you need is proviron plus the right supps for libido, erectile function, liver protection and maintenance of e.

Glutamine is more for helping to maintain your muscle during these catabolic times.

Creatine will help maintain strength for those that care about it.

B-12 helps with my appetite and helps to increase red blood cells.

Clomid has always worked well for me with no side effects that everyone always talks about so if it works, why change it? Everyone is different and you have to find out what works best for you.

 

[kronk]

1.25mg femera eod for 4 weeks.
100mg clomid ed for 10 days followed by 50mg ed for 10 days.
Extra vitamin C upped from 1 gram ed to 3 grams ed to help with catabolic conditions.
Possibley a glutamine/creatine combo at 5 grams of each 2 times a day.

That's about it for me. Did something similar last year after having been on for over 6 months and recovered just fine.

So what do you guys do post cycle?

Try this for your clomid brother:

300mg day 1, 100mg ed for 10 days, then 50 mg ed for 10 days. You really need that first 300mg day from what I have seen. Your femera is cool I have seen many use it just like that and had good results. I usually take 2 grams of vit C ed anyway, so it cant hurt.

You need to use some g-plenish in there instead of the l-glut, it is like 1000 times better. Other than that bro, I think it looks good.

On a last note, you have used clomid before and it worked, go with what works for YOU. Some people like to say its bunk, well whatever. Personally, I think that both Novla and clomid work well, mainly for keeping the gains that your worked so hard to earn. Its just my opinion and i will not try to say that everything I say is fact, but I know what I have seen work. Peace brother.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson,
Not to split hairs here with you but, If I am going to use an AAS for anything, it is going to be to keep gains and not libido. And proviron is an AAS, and inhibitory. probably in the neighborhood of what 5 mg dbol would do

Not really. Proviron and d-bol do opposite things. Bad comparison.

Don't care about libido? Okay.

I maintain, glutamine does nothing. Face the reality.

B12 is fine, but you should be taking a multiple anyway, which has more than your body can use at one time.


kronk: No offense bro but I simply can not see the reason for that much clomid, even if it works for you. It's total overkill. But, if it makes you feel better, go for it.

 

[pharmguy]

Not really. Proviron and d-bol do opposite things. Bad comparison.

That is true, but they are both AAS and they both supress hpta. and I would make a risky gues that 5 mg of dbol would equal the supression of 25 mg proviron a day.

 

[test-monkey]

what about clens for anti-catabolic? no one use? Nelson whats your opinion on clen post cycle as an anti-catabolic?

 

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Nelson doesn't like central nervous system altering methods for fat loss, so it is safe to say he doesn't like clen for gains keeping. For the simple fact that clen is a central nervous system raising drug.

 

[Juice Authority]

Nelson,
Not to split hairs here with you but, If I am going to use an AAS for anything, it is going to be to keep gains and not libido. And proviron is an AAS, and inhibitory. probably in the neighborhood of what 5 mg dbol would do

I've posted numerous studies that show proviron at low dosages (25-50mg's) has little to no effect on hpta suppression. I don't know about you but my libido takes a nose dive post-cycle and clomid makes it worse. Increased libido is a sign that recovery is well under way. The testis produce both sperm and testosterone so if you unable to maintain an erection it's a tell tale sign that your hpta is suppressed.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I've been arguing against the validy of clen as an anti-caltabolic since day one. It just doesn't make sense. I know it's been shown to have some muscle sparring effect in animals, but how can something that aggrivates the CNS be anti-catabolic? if anything, it should be catabolic since it increases stress. (Something animals don't get?)

 

[test-monkey]

I've been arguing against the validy of clen as an anti-caltabolic since day one. It just doesn't make sense. I know it's been shown to have some muscle sparring effect in animals, but how can something that aggrivates the CNS be anti-catabolic? if anything, it should be catabolic since it increases stress. (Something animals don't get?)

intersting I can see how cns can be catabolic by increasing stress, but maybe clen has some other property that is anti-catabolic?

 

[Mike P.T.]

I've been arguing against the validy of clen as an anti-caltabolic since day one. It just doesn't make sense. I know it's been shown to have some muscle sparring effect in animals, but how can something that aggrivates the CNS be anti-catabolic? if anything, it should be catabolic since it increases stress. (Something animals don't get?)

Isn't anything that directly stimulates your beta-2 receptors anti-catabolic? Which is also why they say ephedrine is anti-catabolic.

 

[lostlazy]

5000 IU/Wk for 3 Wks.
50 mg/D Proviron for 3 Wks.
In the last 3 years of using this post after every cycle, I haven't lost any mass gains.

 

[test-monkey]

5000 IU/Wk for 3 Wks.
50 mg/D Proviron for 3 Wks.
In the last 3 years of using this post after every cycle, I haven't lost any mass gains.

how long did you stay off till your next cycle after you finished your 3 week pro/hcg?
i've heard plenty of guys say I didn't lose a pound doing what ever they did, but then again 2 weeks after they are back on.

 

[Slyder190]

Post Cycle

I ran Clomid, Nolva, MACA and Avena post cycle this time around and no worries. Recovery has never been a problem for ever since I always used Clomid from day. The Nolva I now think is a must-have addition and the MACA and Avena are in there for good measure.