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Guys, I'm a little confused about all those posts pertaining to recreational drugs. I was under the impression that this was strictly an anabolic steroid forum. Discussing recreational drugs just feeds into the hype that steroids are like a gateway drug, that once you take them you will use another one. I also feel that discussing recreational drugs will also bring unwanted attention from LE people, which we really don't need. Now don't get me wrong, I don't condone those using recreational drugs nor am I putting them down because I don't use them. I just think that maybe we should clean up our posts a little bit. Been a lot of posts with questions regarding pain killers, coke, and weed.

In no way am I saying you shouldn't use those drugs if you so choose to do so, I just think that we should clean this forum up a bit when it comes to recreational drugs.

Mr. X, what do you think?
 
<-----------back your statements/concerns 100%
 
Yeah, sweep the recreational drugs under the rug so we can all pretend we're better than those losers that do them.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but rec drugs are a big part of the BB lifestyle for many pros/hardcore BB's. Many of us are addicts that's lives were saved because AAS steered us in a different direction. To put roids in a category of their own, as if they don't exist in our BB world, or are somehow less of a violation of laws (and more morally acceptable than rec drugs) only comprimises the quality of 411 on this board. The guys that are unfamiliar w/ rec drugs are the only ones bitching-as the jab their asses with another 600 mgs. of home brew test. Gimme a break. You guys put your pants on one leg at a time-just like us.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for being discreet online about our hypothetical bending of the law, but do you honestly think LE gives two shits about us discussing weed or coke when they could investigate our roid use? That would truly feed the media whores what they want??? Rec drugs are old news and stories about them don't sell newspapers/magazines in the way that roids do.

If you think about it, the general public hates Barry Bonds for the rumors of him using juice 100x more than they hate Kate Moss for getting busted actually doing coke on film. In fact, Kate Moss lost a few modeling contracts, but is now receiving from another magazine 3x the pay she would've before her coke scandal. She has actually received an increase in pay as a direct result of proof that she does drugs!!! Imagine Bonds slamming a GH/roid cocktail on film. Do you think he'd receive a raise for that?

If you truly want to stay off the radar screen you probably shouldn't be posting here at all.
 
BigCracker said:
Yeah, sweep the recreational drugs under the rug so we can all pretend we're better than those losers that do them.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but rec drugs are a big part of the BB lifestyle for many pros/hardcore BB's. Many of us are addicts that's lives were saved because AAS steered us in a different direction. To put roids in a category of their own, as if they don't exist in our BB world, or are somehow less of a violation of laws (and more morally acceptable than rec drugs) only comprimises the quality of 411 on this board. The guys that are unfamiliar w/ rec drugs are the only ones bitching-as the jab their asses with another 600 mgs. Gimme a break. You guys put your pants on one leg at a time-just like us.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for being discreet online about our hypothetical bending of the law, but do you honestly think LE gives two shits about us discussing weed or coke when they could investigate our roid use? That would truly feed the media whores what they want??? Rec drugs are old news and stories about them don't sell newspapers/magazines in the way that roids do.

If you think about it, the general public hates Barry Bonds for the rumors of him using juice 100x more than they hate Kate Moss for getting busted actually doing coke on film. In fact, Kate Moss lost a few modeling contracts, but is now receiving from another magazine 3x the pay she would've before her coke scandal. She has actually received an increase in pay as a direct result of proof that she does drugs!!! Imagine Bonds slamming a GH/roid cocktail on film. Do you think he'd receive a raise for that?

If you truly want to stay off the radar screen you probably shouldn't be posting here at all.
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opinions don't matter when your topic doesn't have a place in this forum

BYE!

(and i know your antics - so for once - if you are one - be a man and take your shit somewhere else.)

This is AAS forum, PERIOD, - YOU ARE WRONG

Can you handle that?

"bro"
 
itlnstln said:
opinions don't matter when your topic doesn't have a place in this forum

BYE!

(and i know your antics - so for once - if you are one - be a man and take your shit somewhere else.)

This is AAS forum, PERIOD, - YOU ARE WRONG

Can you handle that?

"bro"
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as always gotta agree... no rec shit here...or my training partner...who started this thread...sorry to blow your image of us...your on target stallion...
 
BigCracker said:
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but rec drugs are a big part of the BB lifestyle for many pros/hardcore BB's. Many of us are addicts that's lives were saved because AAS steered us in a different direction. To put roids in a category of their own, as if they don't exist in our BB world, or are somehow less of a violation of laws (and more morally acceptable than rec drugs) only comprimises the quality of 411 on this board. .
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tell it like it is bigcracker. rec drugs and AAS use are far from mutually exclusive.
 
glennds said:
tell it like it is bigcracker. rec drugs and AAS use are far from mutually exclusive.
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I know AAS are illegal, and so are rec drugs...but I would assume that AAS usages are to better ones self...I can't see how the rec drugs would be in the same category.
 
glennds said:
tell it like it is bigcracker. rec drugs and AAS use are far from mutually exclusive.
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sorry bro...dont lump us all in...far from a saint... booze...and test... nothing else...never even inhaled...

yeah 41 ... married, 2 kids...doesnt make me any better than anyone...but paint with a finer brush...
 
neverenuf said:
sorry bro...dont lump us all in...far from a saint... booze...and test... nothing else...never even inhaled...

yeah 41 ... married, 2 kids...doesnt make me any better than anyone...but paint with a finer brush...
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Damn...I must be a goody 2 shoes...I don't even do the booze part. (39...married with 2 kids also)
 
neverenuf said:
sorry bro...dont lump us all in...far from a saint... booze...and test... nothing else...never even inhaled...

yeah 41 ... married, 2 kids...doesnt make me any better than anyone...but paint with a finer brush...
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i dont do rec drugs either. i just dont like them, but there seems to be a sentiment that doing illegal steroids is somehow not as illegal or wrong as doingb rec drugs. on EF anyhow.
 
i am what i am said:
Mr. X, what do you think?
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Yes, this is a steroid forum. I agree recs. are bad for you, but some people on here do use rec. drugs. Now, I have talked a few people OUT of using rec. drugs, so people have found some benefit from posting on here.

IMO, it's a subjective call; when we chop threads down, some members will be upset, and some happy. End of the day, I have to deal with it lol :coffee:
 
Mr.X said:
Yes, this is a steroid forum. I agree recs. are bad for you, but some people on here do use rec. drugs. Now, I have talked a few people OUT of using rec. drugs, so people have found some benefit from posting on here.

IMO, it's a subjective call; when we chop threads down, some members will be upset, and some happy. End of the day, I have to deal with it lol :coffee:
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you gotta sleep sometime...???
 
I love how you self righteous guys think all pro BB's are these guys that walk around with a bible in one hand and a turkey wrap and diet Snapple in the other. The guy's you are trying to emulate in appearance are some of the biggest criminals in the face of pro sports today. Virtually every pro/amateur bodybuilder in the USA is a felon if they use AAS. For you guys that live in some Podunk town in the midwest I suggest you take a trip out west where a majority of pro BB's train. You'll soon find out recreational drugs play a pretty big role in many of your idol's lives. Christ, a few yrs back my bro smoked weed with Dorian Yates after a killer leg workout.

Granted, this is a roid discussion forum-but when someone inquires about insomnia, or anxiety you guys are so quick to suggest Ambien or Paxil as a fix. It's almost like government controls you in your decisions as to how you're allowed to kill yourself. Illegal drugs don't concern me nearly as much as commonly prescribed feel good drugs like Prozac where withdrawal symptoms may include suicide. If you can't see the govt pounding this shit up our asses you're blind.

And what about cialis and viagra? I see a new thread every day on these drugs. If you think they're anything more than recreational drugs you're an even bigger hypocrite. (unless you're cursed with impotence of course)

ECA/Clen-not roids either, but regularly discussed by you speed freaks in denial.

And what about the countless "Can I drink beer on A50 threads?" Is this inquiry ok cuz alcohol is more socially acceptable than the guy that wants to use weed as a sleep aid? Alcohol isn't a roid and I don't see anyone starting "let's ease up on the alcohol consumption threads"

So if you're gonna play the "roid discussion only" card, in addition to rec drugs we should also include painkillers, anti anxiety meds, sleep aids, bronchidilators, caffeine, boner pills, alcohol and tobacco in our list of topics that don't belong here. Hell, if we did that there'd be 50 % less posts per day.
 
BigCracker said:
And what about cialis and viagra? I see a new thread every day on these drugs. If you think they're anything more than recreational drugs you're an even bigger hypocrite. (unless you're cursed with impotence of course)
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I was thinking about that one too.
 
good shit, rel quick though using aas aint no felony its a mis. sell and distribute on the other hand though.......
 
Ever been to a major bodybuilding contest? Or the Mr.O after-party?
 
I was thinking the same thing though: in the last several weeks we've been flooded with these types of threads. The training forum has them as well as several off-topic posts. I'd put it down to Spring Break stuff or possibly plants by the DEA operating under the 'gateway drug' theory to sow dissention, discredit others and make headlines for itself by bringing down the drug/steroid underground.
 
BigCracker said:
I love how you self righteous guys think all pro BB's are these guys that walk around with a bible in one hand and a turkey wrap and diet Snapple in the other. The guy's you are trying to emulate in appearance are some of the biggest criminals in the face of pro sports today. Virtually every pro/amateur bodybuilder in the USA is a felon if they use AAS. For you guys that live in some Podunk town in the midwest I suggest you take a trip out west where a majority of pro BB's train. You'll soon find out recreational drugs play a pretty big role in many of your idol's lives. Christ, a few yrs back my bro smoked weed with Dorian Yates after a killer leg workout.

Granted, this is a roid discussion forum-but when someone inquires about insomnia, or anxiety you guys are so quick to suggest Ambien or Paxil as a fix. It's almost like government controls you in your decisions as to how you're allowed to kill yourself. Illegal drugs don't concern me nearly as much as commonly prescribed feel good drugs like Prozac where withdrawal symptoms may include suicide. If you can't see the govt pounding this shit up our asses you're blind.

And what about cialis and viagra? I see a new thread every day on these drugs. If you think they're anything more than recreational drugs you're an even bigger hypocrite. (unless you're cursed with impotence of course)

ECA/Clen-not roids either, but regularly discussed by you speed freaks in denial.

And what about the countless "Can I drink beer on A50 threads?" Is this inquiry ok cuz alcohol is more socially acceptable than the guy that wants to use weed as a sleep aid? Alcohol isn't a roid and I don't see anyone starting "let's ease up on the alcohol consumption threads"

So if you're gonna play the "roid discussion only" card, in addition to rec drugs we should also include painkillers, anti anxiety meds, sleep aids, bronchidilators, caffeine, boner pills, alcohol and tobacco in our list of topics that don't belong here. Hell, if we did that there'd be 50 % less posts per day.
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Well, not for nothing bro, but you pretty much just summed up all the bs that floats around bro. You just categorized more than half the board as self-rightous BB who admire and want to emulate professional BB. No one here is ignorant to the fact that both professional and nonprofessional BB. use recreational drugs. To even entertain the fact is just ridiculous. You do make some very valid points, and yes, I did include painkillers. But these guys who ask about cialis and viagra may have actual conditions that require them to use some sort of an aid, so there might be some legitimacy here. But its my 2 cents that because of availability, many of the guys abuse these drugs because most do not need them.

As in my first post, i did not mean to flame anyone who uses recreational drugs. I was just under the impression that the title of the forum was anabolic steroid discussion forum. Im sorry if anybody is offended, but ive just noticed a lot more of questions relating to cocaine usage and its effects on the body. And yes, I agree with you about the alcohol.
 
itlnstln said:
wrong again - it's just that this isn't a rec drug forum

Candy-Ass
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Thanks for the support bro. When all is said and done, this is a steroid forum.

There is a general discussion forum that will entertain the bs about "I've used cocain 6 months ago, will I see any side effects". I just feel it diminishes the integrity of the forum which is soley dedicated to the discussion of steroids.
 
Lots of people use drugs. Simple realistic fact. Just as with AAS, it doesn't make you a bad person. Just gotta make sure you're usin whatever drug, and that it's not usin you, just a matter of responsibility and priority. At least maybe some guys and gals can learn about drug use, just like they can learn about AAS. Not so that they can start doing them, but so they can get an honest real world perspective.
 
Slyder190 said:
Lots of people use drugs. Simple realistic fact. Just as with AAS, it doesn't make you a bad person. Just gotta make sure you're usin whatever drug, and that it's not usin you, just a matter of responsibility and priority. At least maybe some guys and gals can learn about drug use, just like they can learn about AAS. Not so that they can start doing them, but so they can get an honest real world perspective.
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Very valid and good response. We are just saying that there is a general discussion forum where they can learn about rec drugs.
 
itlnstln said:
wrong again - it's just that this isn't a rec drug forum

Candy-Ass
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please email me your rules so i will know what is correct thing to post per your guidelines. dont want to post anything else you feel is wrong.
 
itlnstln said:
"coward"
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you need to settle down. The mods here do a good job of keeping the AAS forum straight despite how you feel.

Fact is drugs do play a big part of the bb'ing lifestyle.
 
itlnstln said:
"coward"
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lol, to be exact about it. This is a steroid forum, not the coke/weed/E forum. However, if someone is going to post that they use rec. drugs and a true story behind it, we read it and make subjective judgements on the thread.

I prefer little to no rec. drug threads. They bring bad attention to the steroid forum/community. If some slip in and people discuss the topic, it's a subjective call from there on.
 
tfuray said:
good shit, rel quick though using aas aint no felony its a mis. sell and distribute on the other hand though.......
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Possession of roids in my state is a felony-it's in the same class as meth.
 
BigCracker said:
That's OK-I got tons of K from peeps telling me what a jackass you are.
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dude - I can admit when i go overboard - and I DID get a little out of hand.

I just diffused your bomb, and I'm sending K your way.

Can u ever forgive me?
 
itlnstln said:
dude - I can admit when i go overboard - and I DID get a little out of hand.

I just diffused your bomb, and I'm sending K your way.

Can u ever forgive me?
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I'm over it bro-remind me not to really piss you off. And for the record, I'm not as pro drug as it sounds. However I do believe there's a lot to be learned from those people that have used them in the past. Nubain really fucked up my life-and hopefully by sharing my experiences on EF it will prevent somebody from finding out the hard way. By not allowing this type of 411 to be discussed some peeps may make poor decisions based on a lack of real life experience. Thanks for the diffuse and extra props to Mr X for not being a nazi moderator.
 
BigCracker said:
I'm over it bro-remind me not to really piss you off. And for the record, I'm not as pro drug as it sounds. However I do believe there's a lot to be learned from those people that have used them in the past. Nubain really fucked up my life-and hopefully by sharing my experiences on EF it will prevent somebody from finding out the hard way. By not allowing this type of 411 to be discussed some peeps may make poor decisions based on a lack of real life experience. Thanks for the diffuse and extra props to Mr X for not being a nazi moderator.
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Once I re-read your posts I now understand your stance 100%.

You make some great points
 
I smoke weed everyday and it isn't nearly illegal as AAS, coke, ghb, meth, ketamine or special k, or having most perscription drugs without a script. Hell simple possesion of weed in some states isn't even a criminal offense whereas simple possesion of AAS and all the others I named is a felony. Getting baked at night don't affect my performance at work or the gym. I still train harder than most others that don't do rec drugs. Besides there isn't a better natural appetite stimulant that dank nugs. I even know top level national competitors that toke regularly.
 
BigCracker said:
I'm over it bro-remind me not to really piss you off. And for the record, I'm not as pro drug as it sounds. However I do believe there's a lot to be learned from those people that have used them in the past. Nubain really fucked up my life-and hopefully by sharing my experiences on EF it will prevent somebody from finding out the hard way. By not allowing this type of 411 to be discussed some peeps may make poor decisions based on a lack of real life experience. Thanks for the diffuse and extra props to Mr X for not being a nazi moderator.
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I agree with Big Cracker here. Posting some of this rec shit will put others off it when they see what people have been through.
It Stalion you have a serious attitude boy, go and step out infront of a fucking massive bus and post back what happened. lol
 
What's the title of this forum?
I thought it was Steroid Discussion Forum.
Maybe there should be another forum for the Rec drugs.
There could be all kind of different discussions that could save people's lives, but do it in the proper forum.
Is this a rehab forum site?
 
MASSIVEMONSTER said:
I agree with Big Cracker here. Posting some of this rec shit will put others off it when they see what people have been through.
It Stalion you have a serious attitude boy, go and step out infront of a fucking massive bus and post back what happened. lol
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I agree. If all would post about their experiences witht these drugs and how it effected them, then I could see how it could be permitted. I don't know, I'm not George, but maybe if people would share their experiences, and not post things like will weed and steroids combine give you gyno, maybe that would be acceptable. We need to take responsibility for our actions. Just because we all know that professional athletes use recreational drugs doesn't make it acceptable.

Oh and Massive, itlstn is a great guy who gets heated rather quickly because of his dedication to everyone on this board.

Oh and thanks to the stallion for diffusing my bad karma. I guess some guys just dont like to hear this type of stuff.
 
Oh, and here are my experiences with this shit.

My friend from the gym got hold off some of that drug that is suppose to help people get through the withdrawel of meth, cant remember the name, and he overdosed on it. His body temperature hit 105 degree and his brain swelled so much that it cracked his skull. He died after a week on life support.

Another kid I went to school with went out and got some coke. Him and his buddy took the shit and the kid ended up overdosing and gagging on his own blood.

My good friends brother went up to newark with his friend to go buy some coke. When all is said and done, both of them were found dead, ran over by a train, because of a bad drug deal.

I had another friend who took acid. The kid lost his mind and thought he was being attacked by spiders. It cost him 6 months in a psychiatric ward and he still has relapses.

This our just some of my stories over a 2 yr span. Its not easy seeing 2 17 yrs old bodies in a coffin all mangled up. Nor is it easy to see an 18 yr old friend who stupidly overdosed and a 24 yr old friend whose face was so disfigured that the coffin needed to be closed.
 
doneritebob said:
What's the title of this forum?
I thought it was Steroid Discussion Forum.
Maybe there should be another forum for the Rec drugs.
There could be all kind of different discussions that could save people's lives, but do it in the proper forum.
Is this a rehab forum site?
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If thats your viewpoint then there should also be no discussion of HCG, Nolva, etc or any discussion of AG' products. As long as its not stuff like 'how long should my coke lines be?', and its within reason then its ok in my book.

K to whomever spoke out about rec drugs being rife in bbuilding. I know for a fact Dorian used to get smashed in the past few years.
 
itlnstln said:
You're an ebarassment to this forum. I hope that's not your Cybergenics Avitar.

You are wrong.

Even if AAS and rec drugs DID go together - they don't on this forum


PUNK
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You and I get along pretty well Bro. But you are way outta line insulting these guys for their opinions! You know who used to pull shit like this? Satch! We don't need any more fucking Bullys around here! You are very helpful to peeps around here, so stick to handing out the positive, consrtuctive advice we expect out of you.
 
I'm reading this thread and trying to learn what the members want to see. I'll be taking all this into account when judging rec. threads.
 
K to whomever spoke out about rec drugs being rife in bbuilding. I know for a fact Dorian used to get smashed in the past few years.[/QUOTE]

Like I said, I'm walking a fine line trying not to step on anyones toes. I am not better than anybody here who uses these drugs. That is not my opinion or reason for doing so.

But things like this, stating that because Dorian used in the past, does not make it okay. Yes, recreational drugs are a big part of what professional athletes do. But just because they use doesn't mean we should all accept it.
 
i am what i am said:
Yes, recreational drugs are a big part of what professional athletes do. But just because they use doesn't mean we should all accept it.
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Right on the money. I know PROs who are hooked on nubain, that stuff is plain horrible. They look like zombies walking around with that blank stare.
 
Mr.X said:
Right on the money. I know PROs who are hooked on nubain, that stuff is plain horrible. They look like zombies walking around with that blank stare.
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I have a good buddy that got seriously fucked up on that shit! He's a world record holder in the Bench Press and could very possibly turn pro in BB. It would be a fucking shame to see that physique go down the tubes to pain killers.
 
growthspurt said:
I have a good buddy that got seriously fucked up on that shit! He's a world record holder in the Bench Press and could very possibly turn pro in BB. It would be a fucking shame to see that physique go down the tubes to pain killers.
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I'm sorry to hear that about your friend.
 
growthspurt said:
Injectable painkiller. Similar to morphine but it doesn't make you drowsy. Alot of BB take it before they train to block pain. Very addicting!
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think that is used for pregnamt women in labor .
 
glennds said:
think that is used for pregnamt women in labor .
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You are correct sir! In low doses it doesn't pose much of a threat to the fetus and works great in a labor situation. Leave it to the thrifty BB's to find another use for it! LOL
 
glennds said:
what is nubain?
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Think of it as a relative of heroin, so doing nubain is like doing heroin IMO. I've had friends develop horrible addictions to the product. 1 died, 5 hospitalized, 1 paralyzed for life, and a handful went cold-turkey and recovered.

NUBIAN information
 
I mean the worst thing I've ever heard about steroids is someone forming an abcsess and getting a really bad infection. Of course it was most likely due to an unsterile environment. But the horror stories of people on addictions, those hospatalized, and those that have died keep pouring in. You tell me if this should not be a concern to the BB community?
 
glennds said:
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It's Nalbuphine HCL by Abbott Labs-a PK similar to morphine. It can be taken Sub Q, Intramuscular, or mainlined for the hardcore. It's commonly used by BB's to push past the pain barrier when training. It's also known to lower cortisol levels. It even makes you feel less tired while training. It started off as a pre workout thing for me. Then over the period of a year or so I progressed to using it as a crutch all throughout my day. After awhile it doesn't even make you feel that good anymore and you need it just to feel normal. WD's are similar to other opiates. For me going clean was 3 days of flu like symptoms and stomach cramps, constipation, etc followed by a month of not being able to sleep more than 1-2 hrs a night.
 
growthspurt said:
You . Leave it to the thrifty BB's to find another use for it! LOL
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no kidding growth. it is amazing how many different drugs have found new life in the bodybuilding community.
 
glennds said:
no kidding growth. it is amazing how many different drugs have found new life in the bodybuilding community.
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Ritalin will probably be next-In hear it's already growing in popularity among adults.
 
BigCracker said:
Ritalin will probably be next-In hear it's already growing in popularity among adults.
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I have a bunch of friends, i'm in college, taking it to stay up all night and study for exams. They also take it before they go out because it just makes them bounce off the wall.

Maybe we should start to take a stance. We are the largest board in the BB community and thousands of individuals come here and do not always post, but read the threads daily. Our opinion influence people everyday, why not influence them to stray away from recreational drugs?
 
glennds said:
really? for what purposes?
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focus factor. I had to take adderall when I was in school. It actually brought my grades up but made me not want to do anything strenous or physical.
 
MASSIVEMONSTER said:
Shit some bad stories. Rec drugs are bad full stop. Anyone reading this thread should take heed. Losing ones life over drugs is shocking.
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one of the best things you have ever said.
 
Quote from Tempest2003

"shut the fuck up bitch, dont act like your clean"

Thanks for the bad karma bro. Re-read my posts and you'll learn I'm not putting any of you down who use recreational drugs. I use steroids, so no, I am not clean. I don't use any other drugs and I only drink on special occasions. Does that make me better than any of you, no. I just think that theres to much promoting recreational drugs. So grow the fuck up and post a response that has some meaning to your argument or shut the fuck up.
 
Their is a difference too between the health compications one will get using steroids properly and just using Special K, Heroin and all the other shit.
People can and do die from that shit but steroids used properly wont kill people.
There is a difference
 
i am what i am said:
Quote from Tempest2003

"shut the fuck up bitch, dont act like your clean"

Thanks for the bad karma bro. Re-read my posts and you'll learn I'm not putting any of you down who use recreational drugs. I use steroids, so no, I am not clean. I don't use any other drugs and I only drink on special occasions. Does that make me better than any of you, no. I just think that theres to much promoting recreational drugs. So grow the fuck up and post a response that has some meaning to your argument or shut the fuck up.
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Don't worry bro - I cleared you bomb and will send you some K
 
itlnstln said:
Don't worry bro - I cleared you bomb and will send you some K
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Yes, i know you did bro. I'm going to be going plat soon and will send you much karma. I appreciate all your support and you have all of mine with what ever endeavor you take on.
 
growthspurt said:
You and I get along pretty well Bro. But you are way outta line insulting these guys for their opinions! You know who used to pull shit like this? Satch! We don't need any more fucking Bullys around here! You are very helpful to peeps around here, so stick to handing out the positive, consrtuctive advice we expect out of you.
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Mention my name in the same breath with Satch again, and it's gonna be "ON"
 
For the Record i think BigCracker is an excelent bro and i agree with his post. However im of the oppinion that rec's shouldnt be on this forum. Not that there is anything wrong with that...but they just dont belong in a bb site.
 
i am what i am said:
Yes, i know you did bro. I'm going to be going plat soon and will send you much karma. I appreciate all your support and you have all of mine with what ever endeavor you take on.
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Keep up the good work.....
 
itlnstln said:
Mention my name in the same breath with Satch again, and it's gonna be "ON"
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We're all big boys here so words are nothing but words, but I think that your dedication to the forum leads you to bully people.

Try to chill a little and articulate those thoughts of yours in a different way. Or if you want just keep on going, its a free world and an open forum.
 
Mr. X -
Here's my two cents: if the rec drug use has some connection with AAS as far as interactions, side effects, abuse related to using the rec drugs as adjuncts to AAS then it probably belongs here in the forum. That way the forum can educate people by sharing experiences illustrating the true life reality.

If it is just a post like the "I did coke for six months will I have health problems" post we saw then it belongs in the Medical Issues or Chat & Conversation forums.
 
the point is that EVERYONE has a vice. Whether it is weed,alcohol,internet porn,hard drugs,krispy kreme donuts,double parking, etc. Do our vices need to constantly be addressed in this forum: no, however since this is an anabolic forum and people are concerned as to how AAS may interact with other substances. Members come here for knowledge on how to use perfromance enchaning drugs in the safest most effective manner possible, therefore i see no problem with a thread asking if marijuana use while on cycle could increase chances of gyno, how alcohol will affect gains/liver, or occassional coke use will affect bp. NOW THE MULTIPLE DAILY THREADS BY A CERTAIN MEMBER ABOUT XANAX/KLONAPIN USE THAT DO NOT PERTAIN TO AAS USAGE WHATSOEVER SERVE NO PURPOSE IN THIS FORUM.
 
anthony roberts said:
Ever been to a major bodybuilding contest? Or the Mr.O after-party?
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YES I HAVE< and i've seen many of them G'd out of their minds, jacked out of their minds, and rolling their asses off.
 
i am what i am said:
Guys, I'm a little confused about all those posts pertaining to recreational drugs. I was under the impression that this was strictly an anabolic steroid forum. Discussing recreational drugs just feeds into the hype that steroids are like a gateway drug, that once you take them you will use another one. I also feel that discussing recreational drugs will also bring unwanted attention from LE people, which we really don't need. Now don't get me wrong, I don't condone those using recreational drugs nor am I putting them down because I don't use them. I just think that maybe we should clean up our posts a little bit. Been a lot of posts with questions regarding pain killers, coke, and weed.

In no way am I saying you shouldn't use those drugs if you so choose to do so, I just think that we should clean this forum up a bit when it comes to recreational drugs.

Mr. X, what do you think?
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Kiss ass. lOL

BOOGS
 
tboy72 said:
the point is that EVERYONE has a vice. Whether it is weed,alcohol,internet porn,hard drugs,krispy kreme donuts,double parking, etc. Do our vices need to constantly be addressed in this forum: no, however since this is an anabolic forum and people are concerned as to how AAS may interact with other substances. Members come here for knowledge on how to use perfromance enchaning drugs in the safest most effective manner possible, therefore i see no problem with a thread asking if marijuana use while on cycle could increase chances of gyno, how alcohol will affect gains/liver, or occassional coke use will affect bp. NOW THE MULTIPLE DAILY THREADS BY A CERTAIN MEMBER ABOUT XANAX/KLONAPIN USE THAT DO NOT PERTAIN TO AAS USAGE WHATSOEVER SERVE NO PURPOSE IN THIS FORUM.
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How could you distinguish one recreational drug from another? I'm saying that all should be taken care of, not saying one persons vice is more wrong than anothers. Many guys on here use xanax and klonapinto ease the pain the are experiencing, guys use weed for the ability to consume more calories, and others use coke for fun. You can't be selective, either all are out or all are in.
 
cboogsrun said:
Kiss ass. lOL

BOOGS
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Just trying to get the main guys opinion. One of the few guys that can actually do anything about the situation.
 
BigCracker said:
It's . For me going clean was 3 days of flu like symptoms and stomach cramps, constipation, etc followed by a month of not being able to sleep more than 1-2 hrs a night.
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pretty impressive you could do that on your own bigcracker.

i once had gum surgery where the periodontist prescribed percoset for post op pain. percoset is morphine and acetometphine.

i can see how people can get addicted to that kinda stuff. you feel fantastic after taking them. i only got about 10 pills and not refillable.
 
Percs are nast shit. Took them for when I had reconstructive surgery on my knee for a week. Found it difficult to fall asleep for about a week without them. BigCracker, much respect for your ability to come off of that shit and staying off. To many guys have thrown their lives away by becoming addicted.
 
I understand X's point of view also. He says that if guys are talking about recreational drugs and the question conincide with their steroid use, that we as a board should entertain these questions and try to help that individual out. But most of the posts dealing with recreational drugs just seem like, as X put it, junky posts. How do we decipher what is and what isnt a legitimate AS related question?
 
nuevo laredo said:
We're all big boys here so words are nothing but words, but I think that your dedication to the forum leads you to bully people.

Try to chill a little and articulate those thoughts of yours in a different way. Or if you want just keep on going, its a free world and an open forum.
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I guess I see your point, but I don't think you get anywhere in life by being wishy-washy and trying to please "everyone". I've always admitted when I was wrong (which is often) - but to ask me to "chill" is asking me to change the person I am - and that's not going to happen.

I shoot from the hip - if you don't like it, - get out of the way, and let me know about it.

I am actually a very understanding person.................
:verygood:
 
Yeah, I like your charisma. Not tip-toeing around the issue like many of us. Keep doing what your doing stallion, cause i don't want to see you change.
 
Im a little late to chime in here but Ive been to the Orlando pro for two years now and Ive been invited to a few of the parties and dinners both before and after the shows.. 4 years at a big University and 2 years living in the wild South Florida scene doesnt give justice to the amounts of rec. drugs that these guys consume..
What I thought were water bottles were dude carrying around GHB... Fitness models both male and female would have an isopure in one hand while bumping a line with the other..
I am no veteran in the least but from the people I have encountered first hand these guys are nuts.. I have a good friend who was Mr Florida and he can also open some eyes with his stories of drugs, swinging and binging..
The least harmful things these guys put in their bodies is the actual AAS...
 
glennds said:
pretty impressive you could do that on your own bigcracker.
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It's not like I had much of a choice-my source flaked w/ only a couple days notice. The bastard knew he was running out too and he didn't tell me-probably cuz he was afraid I'd find another source, ultimately hurting his biz. I don't think he expected me to quit altogether. If someone would've offered me some during my 3 days of WD's I probably would still be using today. About a month later my source called me-said he was back in biz. I never returned his call. April 16th of 2005 was the last time I took it. Maybe next month I should celebrate my one yr off Nubain by tooting up an 8 ball of blow and huffing some red paint??? I wonder if it will affect my workouts negatively??? :p
 
BigCracker. Things happen for a reason and it is great that your source ran out on you cause who knows where you would be. I just feel that we need to stop accepting the fact that people use recreational drugs and try to put an end to their use.
 
BigCracker said:
It's not like I had much of a choice-my source flaked w/ only a couple days notice. The bastard knew he was running out too and he didn't tell me-probably cuz he was afraid I'd find another source, ultimately hurting his biz. I don't think he expected me to quit altogether. If someone would've offered me some during my 3 days of WD's I probably would still be using today. About a month later my source called me-said he was back in biz. I never returned his call. April 16th of 2005 was the last time I took it. Maybe next month I should celebrate my one yr off Nubain by tooting up an 8 ball of blow and huffing some red paint??? I wonder if it will affect my workouts negatively??? :p
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if you really wanted to stay on nubain you probably could have found another source.
 
glennds said:
if you really wanted to stay on nubain you probably could have found another source.
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You're absolutely right. I could've had a bottle sent via overnight mail which would've cost me 2.5 x what I normally paid. I guess I didn't want it that bad???
 
i am what i am said:
BigCracker. Things happen for a reason and it is great that your source ran out on you cause who knows where you would be. I just feel that we need to stop accepting the fact that people use recreational drugs and try to put an end to their use.
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As crazy as it sounds to most non drug users, smoking weed is often what keeps people from using hard drugs like coke and RX drugs like Percs. I've never been a big fan of alcohol cuz it's extra calories and affects my training the next day. I haven't had a beer in almost a year.

I truly wonder what would be more harmful to your health long term-smoking weed 2-3x/day or consuming 2 cases of beer/wk? I also wonder how much more popular weed would be if you could buy it OTC like cigarettes? IMNSHO if it weren't for the paper industry's fear of taking a $$$ hit(no pun intended) from hemp legalization and the alcohol/tobacco companies fear of competition from weed it would already be legal. Weed is pretty tame in comparison to other drugs-even RX drugs like percs and oxycontin. I'd much rather see people punished for the manufacture/distribution of meth. It's gotta be the most evil Rec Drug ever conceived.

People talk openly about their Prozac RX's yet weed use /roid use has to be kept in the closet??? Gimme a break.
 
itlnstln said:
I guess I see your point, but I don't think you get anywhere in life by being wishy-washy and trying to please "everyone". I've always admitted when I was wrong (which is often) - but to ask me to "chill" is asking me to change the person I am - and that's not going to happen.

I shoot from the hip - if you don't like it, - get out of the way, and let me know about it.

I am actually a very understanding person.................
:verygood:
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I definitely don't want anyone to change just as I wouldn't expect anyone to make me change.
Also, I wasn't suggesting being wishy-washy or asking you to cater to the lowest common demoninator. To use your analogy I was asking you to avoid friendly kills when "shooting from the hip". That's all. Not even sure why I care; it may be some leftover thoughts from a negative interaction I had with Mr and Mrs Indy. I'll let you know if I think I've seen some innocent bystanders get mowed down by you.

There are a lot of politics and hidden agendas here at EF. Some are open about their agenda while others you have to read between the lines. I don't get involved because I don't have time and frankly I don't care. I relate better to real life interaction and true "bros" that have become "bros" by chasing pussy together, cheating death together, getting in trouble, and all the othert things that create strong bonds.

I'm glad to see someone challenging the status quo and asking questions outside of the box. The first post I remember reading from you was a "what if" scenario addressing using AAS in a person with a high bf%. Many were just repeating the same mantra about no AAS unti less than 10% (or whatever) and missing the point that it was an academic "what if" exercise. The thread turned out great and made people think.

-NL
 
I never would have stopped using recs if I didn't start taking AAS.

I was the biggest dumbass around now that I look back. I had a leather jacket with a fucking special hidden pocket sewn-in, just so I could always walk around with an 8ball of coke! How fucked up is that. I thought I was the coolest mofo lol. I was a weekend warrior who always wanted to pushe the party to the extreme. I would lift heavy and eat right all week, just to throw it all away over the weekend cause I wanted to out-drink and out-snort my buddies. I must have spent about 4 years busting ass without getting anywhere with my body. Actually I gained fat.

Then when I ran my first cycle I was suddenly in a dilemma. There was no way I was going to go through all the hassle of buying and injecting AAS and just waste my gains. Just something about putting time into planning out my cycle, spending the cash...and sticking a needle in my ass regularly that made me get serious and drop the partying. And I'm not gonnna lie, I've had a drink or two since then, but its literally once or twice a year now and I've never looked back. Ive been clean, sober, making my way through college and following my dreams. Meanwhile I had a friend who got hooked on oxy and another that got hooked on heroin. I stopped hanging with the ones who turned to meth early on...so I have no idea what happened to them.

I'm not Mr just-say-no. I think you should be allowed to do whatever you want to your body, and talk about it too...as long as it doesn't screw anyone else's life up. But in my case recs were killing me and AAS was part of me getting my life together. So there is a huge difference to me.
 
BigCracker said:
As crazy as it sounds to most non drug users, smoking weed is often what keeps people from using hard drugs like coke and RX drugs like Percs. I've never been a big fan of alcohol cuz it's extra calories and affects my training the next day. I haven't had a beer in almost a year.

I truly wonder what would be more harmful to your health long term-smoking weed 2-3x/day or consuming 2 cases of beer/wk? I also wonder how much more popular weed would be if you could buy it OTC like cigarettes? IMNSHO if it weren't for the paper industry's fear of taking a $$$ hit(no pun intended) from hemp legalization and the alcohol/tobacco companies fear of competition from weed it would already be legal. Weed is pretty tame in comparison to other drugs-even RX drugs like percs and oxycontin. I'd much rather see people punished for the manufacture/distribution of meth. It's gotta be the most evil Rec Drug ever conceived.

People talk openly about their Prozac RX's yet weed use /roid use has to be kept in the closet??? Gimme a break.
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You must spread some Karma around before giving it to BigCracker again.

Exactly weed can be beneficial if used properly. Just a couple hits of some kind will get you where you need = good buzz and a stimulated appetite + your not nearly as impaired as when you would be after a few drinks. Also it doesn't destroy your liver like booze and boozin it while on AAS is doing a double hit to your liver and then some. MODERATION IS KEY!!
 
mendo said:
I never would have stopped using recs if I didn't start taking AAS.

I was the biggest dumbass around now that I look back. I had a leather jacket with a fucking special hidden pocket sewn-in, just so I could always walk around with an 8ball of coke! How fucked up is that. I thought I was the coolest mofo lol. I was a weekend warrior who always wanted to pushe the party to the extreme. I would lift heavy and eat right all week, just to throw it all away over the weekend cause I wanted to out-drink and out-snort my buddies. I must have spent about 4 years busting ass without getting anywhere with my body. Actually I gained fat.

Then when I ran my first cycle I was suddenly in a dilemma. There was no way I was going to go through all the hassle of buying and injecting AAS and just waste my gains. Just something about putting time into planning out my cycle, spending the cash...and sticking a needle in my ass regularly that made me get serious and drop the partying. And I'm not gonnna lie, I've had a drink or two since then, but its literally once or twice a year now and I've never looked back. Ive been clean, sober, making my way through college and following my dreams. Meanwhile I had a friend who got hooked on oxy and another that got hooked on heroin. I stopped hanging with the ones who turned to meth early on...so I have no idea what happened to them.

I'm not Mr just-say-no. I think you should be allowed to do whatever you want to your body, and talk about it too...as long as it doesn't screw anyone else's life up. But in my case recs were killing me and AAS was part of me getting my life together. So there is a huge difference to me.
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great post bro.

I understand about the weed thing how a lot of guys use it to down more calories or to help with recovery or aching muslces. But weed also has its drawbacks.

This wasn't suppose to be a debate about if it was ok to use them or not. It was based primarily on the fact that this is an anabolic steriod forum, and should only be about steroids. But I guess Ii never realized how much recreational drugs have become an essential part of the BB community. Its kinda really sad.
 
nuevo laredo said:
I definitely don't want anyone to change just as I wouldn't expect anyone to make me change.
Also, I wasn't suggesting being wishy-washy or asking you to cater to the lowest common demoninator. To use your analogy I was asking you to avoid friendly kills when "shooting from the hip". That's all. Not even sure why I care; it may be some leftover thoughts from a negative interaction I had with Mr and Mrs Indy. I'll let you know if I think I've seen some innocent bystanders get mowed down by you.

There are a lot of politics and hidden agendas here at EF. Some are open about their agenda while others you have to read between the lines. I don't get involved because I don't have time and frankly I don't care. I relate better to real life interaction and true "bros" that have become "bros" by chasing pussy together, cheating death together, getting in trouble, and all the othert things that create strong bonds.

I'm glad to see someone challenging the status quo and asking questions outside of the box. The first post I remember reading from you was a "what if" scenario addressing using AAS in a person with a high bf%. Many were just repeating the same mantra about no AAS unti less than 10% (or whatever) and missing the point that it was an academic "what if" exercise. The thread turned out great and made people think.

-NL
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Wow - i'm compared to Satch and Indy/Indy's Wife in less than 24hours


***awesome***
 
I find it to be strange when AAS users think weed is this horrible drug. The avg person would probably think jabbing your ass w/ a needle is a lot worse. Weed also affects everyone differently. Like alcohol, it's definitely not for everyone. The effects of weed also vary widely based on the strain. I know a lot of guys that use it as an appetite stimulant. Ironically a lot of guys I know also use it to curb hunger pangs when dieting.(it's possible to mentally shut off the munchie-sides after awhile)

Weed is most alluring to me because it's something you can use to relax without the calories/liver toxicity of alcohol. I imagine you could minimize the toxicity of weed by using a water pipe or even better, a vaporizer. Also smoking the higher quality-higher thc content-more expensive stuff would substantially reduce the negative effects on the body because you'd only need a small amount for desired effects.
 
I don't even put weed in the same category as other recs or even AAS. I don't think weed should be regulated for adults at all. I see no probs with weed use. It can be very useful for many things...including bulking. Of course it should be used carefully just like anything else.
 
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