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brotha is cut up like ribbons
 
He's probably not as lean as you would think. I'd put him around 8%. The bigger you are the more bf you carry, so a guy like Marcus or Ronnie are shredded at 8%-12%bf.
 
StickFigure said:
He's probably not as lean as you would think. I'd put him around 8%. The bigger you are the more bf you carry, so a guy like Marcus or Ronnie are shredded at 8%-12%bf.
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no way, why is that?
 
StickFigure said:
He's probably not as lean as you would think. I'd put him around 8%. The bigger you are the more bf you carry, so a guy like Marcus or Ronnie are shredded at 8%-12%bf.
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Seriously dude, he's gotta be around 6. Being black also helps for the looks.
 
StickFigure said:
He's probably not as lean as you would think. I'd put him around 8%. The bigger you are the more bf you carry, so a guy like Marcus or Ronnie are shredded at 8%-12%bf.
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The problem you are encountering here is the thought that this guy is as big as Marcus or Ronnie. If he is 6 foot tall, which I doubt, this guy looks to be about 190 pounds. He's nowhere near the 320 pound offseason weight of a Ronnie Coleman. Of course, he looks to have a legit 28" waist, which I would much rather have than the 40" bloated gut Ronnie sports. My trained eye would put him at about 7-8 percent definitely. He kinda reminds me of a young Flex Wheeler before way too much juice and gh took their toll.
 
bran987 said:
no way, why is that?
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hes probably gunna say something "cause there is more fat"

its a fucking PERCENTAGE for a reason!!! not pounds of fat, sure you have more fat but you also ahve more muscle so the percentage is still lower
 
bran987 said:
don't bomb me but is that look possible without steroids?
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I would guess yea. That is for black people they seem to have crazy genetics when it comes to building muscle, more so than white folk.


But he probably juiced.
 
needtogrow said:
I would guess yea. That is for black people they seem to have crazy genetics when it comes to building muscle, more so than white folk.


But he probably juiced.
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just for black peoples?
 
There was a brotha on my basketball team my whole life that had an 8 pack like that. Never changed. Ever. He ain't whatever the fucked he wanted and I wanted to take his life :D
 
StickFigure said:
He's probably not as lean as you would think. I'd put him around 8%. The bigger you are the more bf you carry, so a guy like Marcus or Ronnie are shredded at 8%-12%bf.
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I hope you're kidding bro. I've seen Ronnie at both 4% and 10% and the difference is night and day. NO pro steps on stage at 8-12%.
 
pitbullstl said:
I hope you're kidding bro. I've seen Ronnie at both 4% and 10% and the difference is night and day. NO pro steps on stage at 8-12%.
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I knew that sounded way off.

It is true that 8-12 looks pretty lean but that is FAT by probodybuilder standards.
 
bran987 said:
don't bomb me but is that look possible without steroids?
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muscle mania is a so called natty thing... tito raymond says he is natty and looks about like that (ill give em the beneifit of the doubt)

if he was a white boy and good lookin he be on every fkknn fitness cover across newsstands
 
pitbullstl said:
I hope you're kidding bro. I've seen Ronnie at both 4% and 10% and the difference is night and day. NO pro steps on stage at 8-12%.
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Nah! Just seeing how many peeps I could get a rise out of! :evil:
 
I can't recall that guy's name but he's a great natural BB'er. I wouldn't touch a thing if I could look like that natty. I'm trying to get down to 10%; making good progress so far.
 
Dial_tone said:
I can't recall that guy's name but he's a great natural BB'er. I wouldn't touch a thing if I could look like that natty. I'm trying to get down to 10%; making good progress so far.
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ya musclemania dudes got some nice builds.. i still say he is natty actually
 
It's no wonder everyone on the Internet "lies" about their stats. The truth is people aren't actually lying, they're just ignorant. The guy who said pros look ripped at 10-12% is bang-on. Of course, they don't step on stage at that bodyfat, but they'd still look damn good.

In reality, 15% and you'll look pretty good; 12% and you'll be "ripped"; and sub-10% and you're shredded. These translate to 10%, 7-8%, and 5% as far as people on these boards seem to think.
 
Joe Stenson said:
It's no wonder everyone on the Internet "lies" about their stats. The truth is people aren't actually lying, they're just ignorant. The guy who said pros look ripped at 10-12% is bang-on. Of course, they don't step on stage at that bodyfat, but they'd still look damn good.

In reality, 15% and you'll look pretty good; 12% and you'll be "ripped"; and sub-10% and you're shredded. These translate to 10%, 7-8%, and 5% as far as people on these boards seem to think.
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so what you think that brotha is?
 
Joe Stenson said:
That guy IS what I'd consider "shredded". I'd put him around 8%, give or take.
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so would 4% even exsist?

whats ronnie or dexter at the olympia?

dexter aint any more cut then he is
 
Joe Stenson said:
It's no wonder everyone on the Internet "lies" about their stats. The truth is people aren't actually lying, they're just ignorant. The guy who said pros look ripped at 10-12% is bang-on. Of course, they don't step on stage at that bodyfat, but they'd still look damn good.

In reality, 15% and you'll look pretty good; 12% and you'll be "ripped"; and sub-10% and you're shredded. These translate to 10%, 7-8%, and 5% as far as people on these boards seem to think.
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lol
 
Well, I'll go as low as 7%. My original post was more of a reaction to the guys saying "5% tops", etc. It's guys like that who piss me off because it makes the rest of us who discuss our ACTUAL stats seem inferior.

Anyway, like StickFigure said (before everyone jumped all over him for being "wrong"), the bigger you are the higher your bodyfat % is going to be, even if you still look ripped. As muscles get larger, they hold more lean tissue AND more water AND more fat. However, when you start discussing pros on stage, you're changing things up a bit as diuretics have come into play. They're all dried out and this has an effect on bodyfat %. You always have 2-4% bodyfat just surrounding your organs or you'd die. Pros on stage are not going to have much more than that, but still you hear people saying "oh this guy's on stage at 2%"...no, not possible.

And as for Dexter, there's no way he steps on stage at the same bodyfat % as the guy in the pic. You may think it's close, but I assure you it's not.
 
Joe Stenson said:
It's no wonder everyone on the Internet "lies" about their stats. The truth is people aren't actually lying, they're just ignorant. The guy who said pros look ripped at 10-12% is bang-on. Of course, they don't step on stage at that bodyfat, but they'd still look damn good.

In reality, 15% and you'll look pretty good; 12% and you'll be "ripped"; and sub-10% and you're shredded. These translate to 10%, 7-8%, and 5% as far as people on these boards seem to think.
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Your the expert here right?? Not those of us that have actually stepped on stage numerous times....??

15% does not look good on the average frame. 18% is average on the US male....and that average is fat. 21% is approaching obese....and you think 15% looks good.

Furthemore 12% is not ripped. Sub 10% is admirable, but hardly shredded when looking at averages. Drop below 7-8% and you are dead on when using an adjective like shredded.

Calipers are not accurate. Ripped, shredded, oh so subjective.....don't you think?? :)
 
pitbullstl said:
Your the expert here right?? Not those of us that have actually stepped on stage numerous times....??

15% does not look good on the average frame. 18% is average on the US male....and that average is fat. 21% is approaching obese....and you think 15% looks good.

Furthemore 12% is not ripped. Sub 10% is admirable, but hardly shredded when looking at averages. Drop below 7-8% and you are dead on when using an adjective like shredded.

Calipers are not accurate. Ripped, shredded, oh so subjective.....don't you think?? :)
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2 things:

1) "Ripped" and "shredded" are quite subjective...perhaps my views are different from others. IF that is the case, I assure you that they do not differ that much.

2) 18% IS average in the US. However, and this is a HUGE however that no one seems to realize, the average person in the US has basically zero muscle mass. Therefore, 18% looks like $#@% on the average person, not the average lifter (note: I don't think 18% looks good on a lifter either, but it's not nearly as bad as many of you seem to believe). There's a big difference in physiques when you take a guy who is 6' 160 18% and compare him to someone who works out and is 6' 230 18%.
 
Holy fuck! Check out that waistline. It's like the size of my thigh! It's so tiny, it's actually sick!

The dread's gotta go though. Can't show off the shoulders and neck.
 
thanks ivan. your a good bro

iven(:LOL) been cuttin since januery and my bodyfats been droppin faster than my post count

jesus shit im laffin over here. how bout you guys. cool
 
i would bet next year's tuition he isn't natural, but he could just look really good infront of a camera.. but if he's 6'+ then i couldn't possibly imagine it

but if some of the more knowledgable bors are saying natural then who knows

btw doesn't "natural" constitute no gear within a certain period of time? I remember reading that a bunch of the NPC natural guys were basically gearheads who took stuff with low halflives and just waited until everything was out of their system before competing
 
we've had this discussion a few times about what constitutes natural

natural = no gear ever. the bit about juicing and then cleaning out in time for a contest and being considered natural is caca-licious at best. the ones who claim otherwise have used or are using currently

i'd put my money on this guy having juiced as well. looks awesome regardless
 
supersizeme said:
we've had this discussion a few times about what constitutes natural

natural = no gear ever. the bit about juicing and then cleaning out in time for a contest and being considered natural is caca-licious at best. the ones who claim otherwise have used or are using currently

i'd put my money on this guy having juiced as well. looks awesome regardless
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In terms of competing naturally.........................

WWAD...????





What Would Agassi Do?
 
Ulisses Williams, Jr. Musclemania Super Body Champ
 
BTW -
RONNIE @ 8%


LMFAO


riiight........you are mistaking total fat pounds and body fat percentage
 
Andre isn't exactly the posterboy for natural training. I've heard rumors in the powerlifting community that Andre gets gorilla blood infusions weekly. While it's not technically steroids, gorillas are notoriously way strong on bench(also rowing movements) and it's most likely due to something in simian blood.
 
pitbullstl said:
Vascularity can be a byproduct of low bodyfat, but it is not a constant.
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Very true, especially when you are using certain anabolics. However, I think it is fairly safe to say that MOST people are going to be quite vascular at 5%. Everyone is different, but at 5% you're talking about a guy who is basically ready to step on stage. The guy in the pic has a lean, hard body; he looks great, but that's no reason to give him more credit than he deserves in the stats department.
 
MassiveGunz said:
bros not tryin to dis or nothing but that guys phisique is the equivlint of my penis when im jumpin into some cold as water

does he even lift waits or just stand next to em mostly. im thinkin no
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i call my penis in cold water kenny jones ... all small, weak, lacks hardness
 
Joe Stenson said:
lol

You'd think at 5%, "maybe" he'd have some veins or striations :rolleyes:.
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You must be fning blind if you dont think he is striated..look the ridges in his tricep
 
Fine, he's got some striations, still doesn't have many veins. He looks leaner in the first pic than the second. I said I could go as low as 7% in an earlier post. To qualify, I'd say 7% in the first pic, 8% in the second.
 
Joe Stenson said:
Fine, he's got some striations, still doesn't have many veins. He looks leaner in the first pic than the second. I said I could go as low as 7% in an earlier post. To qualify, I'd say 7% in the first pic, 8% in the second.
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Veins have nothing to do with being lean dude.


some folks are vascular - some arent



Ive been 7%...trust me...hes 5-6
 
supersizeme said:
Andre isn't exactly the posterboy for natural training. I've heard rumors in the powerlifting community that Andre gets gorilla blood infusions weekly. While it's not technically steroids, gorillas are notoriously way strong on bench(also rowing movements) and it's most likely due to something in simian blood.
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lmao
 
The Shadow said:
Veins have nothing to do with being lean dude.


some folks are vascular - some arent



Ive been 7%...trust me...hes 5-6
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Yeah I already covered that......even when I'm sub 7% vascularity is rare on me. Except for the big ass hammer vein in my outer bi. :)

The bottom line is, if Jon thinks that Dexter was 8% when he was on stage.........he's smoking rock. Everything else is subjective as all holy hell.
 
tiger88 said:
nevermind i am wrong then but i tthouhght


drugs like tren.EQ. increases red blood cell production and AKA more vascularty ?
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eq ESPECIALLY YES.....

i THINK PIT MEANT THAT GEAR WILL NOT INCREASE STRIATIONS
 
tiger88 said:
speaking of gettin ripped ... they still sell NYC anywhere? is shit around still?
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I got half a bottle sitting in my glove compartment for 2 yrs. :)
 
musclemuscle said:
no fkin way
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I tend to disagree..there a a few pros who have passed every drug and poly they have ever taken and look really close to being that good.

HAvoc on EF looks that good imo and hes lifetime natty
 
jackangel said:
i've only seen one old pic of havoc, but none others

is he looking sick or what?
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he was that cut at 18 years old....


Kid is a freak
 
6-7 He has great genetics with shape and insertions/locations of muscles. The pics also look airbrushed. Looks pretty good to me.

He may also not always be in that shape. That may be a photo shoot diet down. Either way, looks awesome.

On a personal note. If I were that small waisted, I'd probably be happy with that size, but being HUGE in the hip area, I NEED to be heavier to look big(ger). It's all about the proportions. I have big swrists, big waist, just a large frame and I really need more muscle to fill out my clothes. A tiny waist and wrists etc... you can get away with that stuff and look awesome. I was'nt happy at 240's... at 250 I was starting to get content with my build. I've also never seen single digits these days. lol
 
tiger88 said:
nevermind i am wrong then but i tthouhght


drugs like tren.EQ. increases red blood cell production and AKA more vascularty ?
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Without a doubt. I was more speaking striations, and my ability to produce veins due to increased red cell volume due to tren and eq intake.

But for the most part EQ will make veins pop like a mofo in just about everyone else. It just makes me hungrier than an SOB...........even more so when we are talking about Ft. Dodge....... :)
 
gonelifting said:
If I were that small waisted, I'd probably be happy with that size, A tiny waist and wrists etc... you can get away with that stuff and look awesome. l
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that is where I am...very small jointed..narrow hips...if you measure between my hip bones Im less then 10 inches across...wrists just at 7 inches..but I have good sweep in most muscle groups..so I look 10-12 pounds heavier than I am
 
Joe Stenson said:
lol

You'd think at 5%, "maybe" he'd have some veins or striations :rolleyes:.
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my friend is around 10% bf, and has zero veins, and im like a fat fuck probably around 18%, and i have way more veins than him, even on my stomach
 
Joe Stenson said:
It's no wonder everyone on the Internet "lies" about their stats. The truth is people aren't actually lying, they're just ignorant. The guy who said pros look ripped at 10-12% is bang-on. Of course, they don't step on stage at that bodyfat, but they'd still look damn good.

In reality, 15% and you'll look pretty good; 12% and you'll be "ripped"; and sub-10% and you're shredded. These translate to 10%, 7-8%, and 5% as far as people on these boards seem to think.
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I don't agree. I had a hydrostatic weighing test done once when I hadn't worked out for nearly a year. I came out at 14.6%. I wasn't fat but I damn sure wasn't ripped or even defined for that matter.
 
SublimeZM said:
my friend is around 10% bf, and has zero veins, and im like a fat fuck probably around 18%, and i have way more veins than him, even on my stomach
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Although your post gives heed to the fact that veins and bodyfat are not necessarily correlated, it really has nothing to do with what I said. There's a large difference between being 5% and being 10 or 18%. Genetics or not, I think you will be hard-pressed to find many guys at 5% with few veins.
 
Dial_tone said:
I don't agree. I had a hydrostatic weighing test done once when I hadn't worked out for nearly a year. I came out at 14.6%. I wasn't fat but I damn sure wasn't ripped or even defined for that matter.
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1) Everyone has different opinions on what constitutes "looking good" (what I said someone would like at 15%)

2) After not working out for a year, you probably had lost a lot of muscle mass, which would have contributed to your less than stellar physique. Like I said earlier, the more muscle mass you have the higher your bodyfat % can be in order to look good.
 
Dial_tone said:
I don't agree. I had a hydrostatic weighing test done once when I hadn't worked out for nearly a year. I came out at 14.6%. I wasn't fat but I damn sure wasn't ripped or even defined for that matter.
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Same test, so I know exactly where I was when
<--------------------this photo was taken. Anyone want to guess where I was bodyfat wise there...??..???
 
pitbullstl said:
5.6%

But to be honest on me, it's hard to tell a lot of difference between that and 7%. Damn thick skin.
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Damn, that's impressive.

Thick skin huh? So this won't bother you... Asshole! Nerd, uglifiant bastad! HAA! jk
 
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