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Why is it that people have begub to fear clen more and more? I love the stuff! Has there been new research that shows it is dangerous?
What's the problem with Clen?
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Love clen, but muscle cramps, shakes and a few other side are bothersome.
Eddy posted a pretty scary study of the affects of clen in adding what is basically scar tissue to the heart (it was collagen or something).
But all studies aside, it has known bad side affects, and doesn't lose you much more weight than diet, exercise, and a safe fat burner (at least for me). Also I couldn't lift at all on the shit because of muscle cramps. Who cares how much fat you lose if you can't lift for a month?
But all studies aside, it has known bad side affects, and doesn't lose you much more weight than diet, exercise, and a safe fat burner (at least for me). Also I couldn't lift at all on the shit because of muscle cramps. Who cares how much fat you lose if you can't lift for a month?
enacer420nj
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mus1cjunk1e said:
+1
Good post
the elite addict
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clean isnt nessecary. the results are often short lived. Only should be used prior to contest prep IMO
Tatyana
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digger said:
Accession number & update
16127201 Medline 20050101.
Title
Myocardial infarction in a 17-year-old body builder using clenbuterol.
Source
Circulation journal : official journal of the Japanese Circulation Society, {Circ-J}, Sep 2005, vol. 69, no. 9, p. 1144-6, ISSN: 1346-9843.
Author(s)
Kierzkowska-Beata, Stanczyk-Jerzy, Kasprzak-Jaroslaw-D.
Author affiliation
Department of Paediatric Cardiology, Institute of Paediatrics, Medical University Lodz, Poland.
Abstract
A case of non-Q myocardial infarction in a previously healthy 17-year-old body builder, who used clenbuterol, a long-acting beta(2) adrenergic agonist with anabolic and lipolytic effects, is reported. Only 1 case report of myocardial infarction associated with the use of clenbuterol was found in a literature review and that case was, however, associated with anabolic steroid use. This is the first case report to describe myocardial infarction in a young male body builder only taking clenbuterol.
i agree with your statement 100 %. i see and hear so many people asking for and talking about clen as if it is some magic pill.and of course,all these people are the ones that have a shit diet and don't train hard.they see the results of people that have put in the dedication and discipline and are at the end finishing up their look with clen and asssume it is just the clen and it will do the same for them.it will dry them up for a while and they will think they have made significant bodyfat loss only to realize later that it was alot of water loss for the most part.timtim said:
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ALIN
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jungle4321 said:
some just cant tolerate the side associated with clen (shakiness, increased heart rate)
jungle4321
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advanced-stealth said:
I have these sides as well, I alter my diet to counter act some of them.
Donnie Darko
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I think that Clen is fantastic, but I do not have an alpha personality or blood pressure issues. If you have any blood pressure issues or anxiety issues, stay away from clen. If you have alpha type personality issues, you can take it, but stay away from your friends or you may lose them in the end. The only issue that I have ever had with clen was sleeping. Even when Yohimbine/Norephedra stacks were in existence, I still had sleep issues. My biggest concern with liquid clens is people making the dosages right. With the old clen blisterpaks, you have a tablet with a set dosage premeasured. With the liquids, you don't actually get anything to accurately measure out a dosage, so then you have to get insulin pins to make sure you are getting a dosage that won't make your heart explode.
My advice is to make sure your rodents are getting accurate dosages and invest a few dollars in a set of pins and syringes.
My advice is to make sure your rodents are getting accurate dosages and invest a few dollars in a set of pins and syringes.
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RachelEFC
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i experienced many negative sides, such as horrible shaking, night sweats, headaches (which resolved), but didn't have noticeable positive sides. Affects everybody differently I guess...
jungle4321
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Tatyana said:
One bad case does not refute the benifits of clen.....look what happened to efedra in the states. A few people abused it and that brought publicity. Makes me wonder if that is what has happend with clen.
Thanks for all your replies!
Tatyana
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jungle4321 said:
This was in response to Digger and the dosing. If you get the dosing incorrect, acute clenbuterol poisoning is known to cause serious heart problems.
I have seen other cases of acute clenbuterol poisoning, there are usually issues with heart rate and breathing.
jungle4321
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sugashane said:
I Have goten clen that is made for humans. It is marketed as an asthma medication.
Tatyana said:
Tatyana,
Would you say then that at the proper dosage clen is safe?
jungle4321
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timtim said:
It is a great substance for cutting. It also it benifical while recovering from a cycle...It was approved by the FDA for quite some time.
jungle4321 said:
it was taken out of circulation for a reason.
what great cutting effects? considering i used to get real spiropent and took it too many times to even care to remember, it never did much for cutting at all. it also zapped the shit out of the cns during pct that its "muscle sparring effect" - which im not sure was even proven in humans - was not noticeable.
theres enough information about clen out there. people who know what they are doing wake up to its effect eventually.
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timtim said:
I am underthe impression that the FDA has not regulated it due to it's long half life of 36 hours.
I use clen for no longer than a week at a time(usually 2 days on 2 days off)
normally for the anticatabolic effects it has, not so much for the fat loss. It also helps with creatine uptake during loading(as does ephedra). There is good synergy with it and GH and/or T3
and again generally only pre-contest
normally for the anticatabolic effects it has, not so much for the fat loss. It also helps with creatine uptake during loading(as does ephedra). There is good synergy with it and GH and/or T3
and again generally only pre-contest
The Devil Clen:
ClenButerol is only AntiCatabolic in animal models NOT in humans
Annimal responded via a mechanism (receptor)Humans DO NOT have
ClenButerol leaches minerals and Vitamins from the body and causes Cardiac Cell Necrosis( kills your heart)
The Doses espoused WILL hurt you
DONT use it.
Its Much Better to Do 1-2 ECA and then 1-2 Weeks LIPOFLAME
OR better yet ECA in the AM, and then LIPOFLAME in the Midday
That way NO attenuation occurs
ClenButerol is only AntiCatabolic in animal models NOT in humans
Annimal responded via a mechanism (receptor)Humans DO NOT have
ClenButerol leaches minerals and Vitamins from the body and causes Cardiac Cell Necrosis( kills your heart)
The Doses espoused WILL hurt you
DONT use it.
Its Much Better to Do 1-2 ECA and then 1-2 Weeks LIPOFLAME
OR better yet ECA in the AM, and then LIPOFLAME in the Midday
That way NO attenuation occurs
OMEGA said:
Yes clen is only anabolic (anti-catabolic) because of its binding to the beta-3 androgenic receptors of which humans have none (or barely any). The fat burning effects are because of its binding to the beta-2 androgenic receptors.
jungle4321
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timtim said:
Why did you take it then?
digger said:
OMG. That's some freaky shit.
jungle4321 said:
same reason ive taken all the supplements i have - to see what works. as i started dropping different things, clen and thermos went first. the first time i heard the real effects of clen (years ago)on the heart was all i needed to hear.
my list has been wittled down to:
test
eq
pretty small list.
the elite addict
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Tatyana said:
any supporters of Clen? just wondering....
jungle4321
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the_alcatraz said:
I love the stuff...
I just picked up a bunch of Clenbuterol. I did quite a bit of research first and based on my friends experience with Clenbuterol decided to give it a try for myself. Everyone says to start with 1 tab and work your way up to 80-160mcg (4-8 tabs) I took a total of 6 tabs today and I dont really feel a thing. I know it's legit Clenbuterol, I dont have the shakes or anything. I feel slightly fuzzy in my head and my chest. I dont see what the big deal is over this shit. Im gonna continue doing it for 2 weeks to see what happens. My diet and training are spot on. Also currently running 50mg Winstrol - stanozolol ED and 400mg Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - weekly
I just picked up a bunch of Clenbuterol. I did quite a bit of research first and based on my friends experience with Clenbuterol decided to give it a try. Everyone says to start with 1 tab and work your way up to 80-160mcg (4-8 tabs) I took a total of 6 tabs today and I dont really feel a thing. I know it's legit Clenbuterol, I dont have the shakes or anything. I dont see what the big deal is over this shit. Im gonna continue doing it for 2 weeks to see what happens. My diet and training are spot on. Also currently running 50mg Winstrol - stanozolol ED and 400mg Equipoise - boldenone undecylenate - weekly
jacshelb
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I've done clen numerous times and not noticed a ton of results. The only time I've noticed something really great was when I was already around 8% bf and hadn't touched it for a year. I did two weeks of it, moderate doses between 40 and 100 mcg per day, and it knocked off a nice little amount of fat. So yeah it works. And, if you use it in conjunction with proper diet and cardio and in low-moderate doses you won't likely be bombarded by horrible sides. That's the positive.
The negative, in my experience, is that I've lost more fat in a week of using low dose ECA with proper diet and cardio than any two weeks of clen, no joke! Now, maybe that's just me. The ECA lowered my appetite and maybe just works for me, idk. But, I'm contest dieting right now and I haven't lost shit in the last week and a half on clen and keto diet! Now, granted I'm half-way into my diet and maybe on a little plateau. But, I'm guessing that in a few days when I go back to ECA I'm going to notice the fat loss again. I'd put money on it. And, clen does cause anxiety, especially when using at a dose that works. I can sleep because I take melatonin and benedryl, but wouldn't be able to very well without it.
Bottom line: you can use it and get some results if you make it "part" of your diet and training plan. But, in no way rely on it! As long as you are on something anabolic, ECA works pretty damn well with more controllable side-effects.
The negative, in my experience, is that I've lost more fat in a week of using low dose ECA with proper diet and cardio than any two weeks of clen, no joke! Now, maybe that's just me. The ECA lowered my appetite and maybe just works for me, idk. But, I'm contest dieting right now and I haven't lost shit in the last week and a half on clen and keto diet! Now, granted I'm half-way into my diet and maybe on a little plateau. But, I'm guessing that in a few days when I go back to ECA I'm going to notice the fat loss again. I'd put money on it. And, clen does cause anxiety, especially when using at a dose that works. I can sleep because I take melatonin and benedryl, but wouldn't be able to very well without it.
Bottom line: you can use it and get some results if you make it "part" of your diet and training plan. But, in no way rely on it! As long as you are on something anabolic, ECA works pretty damn well with more controllable side-effects.
i love it also. but like anything without hard work and diet it will not do a thing. as many people will tell you it is not a miracle drug.
Tatyana
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This is the other issue with clen.
Your body upregulates the beta-2 receptors so quickly, it will only work for 1-3 weeks without having to increase the dose.
Increase the dose, greater chance of killing heart cells.
As well, clen also suppresses the thyroid gland, so if you run it on its own, then your thyroid/metabolism will be sluggish, and even with a good diet/cardio, fat rebound.
Some people try to avoid this by running clen with T3. Great, execept that T3 is not specific to fat, it will also burn muscle, so unless you are running an anabolic with it, you may burn off your hard earned muscle.
And again, with clen suppressing thyroid, and T3 feeding back to the hypothalamus saying 'no TSH required thanks, we have loads of thyroid hormones here', your thyroid will be even FURTHER suppressed.
Come off both of these drugs, your metabolism will be slow.
REBOUND and your ass gets fat again, often even more than you had before.
These are comp prep drugs, for people who need to be ultra lean for a BBing comp, and then I also think that if you have the potential to make MONEY from it, and know the risks, it is up to you.
For a regular lifestyle to get lean, look great, be fit and healthy, there is NO PLACE for these drugs.
The effect is often temporary, and there is no substitution for lifestyle modifications so you will look fantastic your entire life.
Cause really, when you think about it, you are NOT going to be a sexy 40-50-60+ year old man or woman taking bloody clen and T3.
Your body/heart will just not tolerate it, and you may be doing damage while you take it when you are younger.
(I do think most of you will be on HRT, but that is a different issue)
Your body upregulates the beta-2 receptors so quickly, it will only work for 1-3 weeks without having to increase the dose.
Increase the dose, greater chance of killing heart cells.
As well, clen also suppresses the thyroid gland, so if you run it on its own, then your thyroid/metabolism will be sluggish, and even with a good diet/cardio, fat rebound.
Some people try to avoid this by running clen with T3. Great, execept that T3 is not specific to fat, it will also burn muscle, so unless you are running an anabolic with it, you may burn off your hard earned muscle.
And again, with clen suppressing thyroid, and T3 feeding back to the hypothalamus saying 'no TSH required thanks, we have loads of thyroid hormones here', your thyroid will be even FURTHER suppressed.
Come off both of these drugs, your metabolism will be slow.
REBOUND and your ass gets fat again, often even more than you had before.
These are comp prep drugs, for people who need to be ultra lean for a BBing comp, and then I also think that if you have the potential to make MONEY from it, and know the risks, it is up to you.
For a regular lifestyle to get lean, look great, be fit and healthy, there is NO PLACE for these drugs.
The effect is often temporary, and there is no substitution for lifestyle modifications so you will look fantastic your entire life.
Cause really, when you think about it, you are NOT going to be a sexy 40-50-60+ year old man or woman taking bloody clen and T3.
Your body/heart will just not tolerate it, and you may be doing damage while you take it when you are younger.
(I do think most of you will be on HRT, but that is a different issue)
mosquiton_001
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quote I agree
I've used it... don't do miracles but kinda works..
cramps can be easily avoided taking tauring (5/7g) every day..
another think i noticed that even doing a very low cal and low carbo diet i don get to much Weak and "empty"... it's just if makes my muscles harder even if I am out of glycogen...
just my experience,,
DidiXterra
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+1 ...Yeah, that scared me as well... I read a few things about how it effects the heart outside of EF as well. Most people think it is just the increased heartbeat you should look out for. But it is the build up in the heart that occurs that is the most dangerous... I leave it alone
Aquamarine
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I recently tried a Clen/T3 cycle. Went on for 2 weeks and just as I was coming off for 2 weeks I developed pericarditis (inflammation around the lining of the heart) I can't necessarily say its from the Clen, but Ive never had any health issues like this before. The only other bad sides I noticed was the cramping until I started drinking enough water, adding in some potassium/magnesium and taking the Taurine.
I'm a huge cardio freak and this is definitely affecting my training, making me wish I had just stuck to the diet and exercise. Yes, I could probably have tuned my diet up a little more and lifted a little harder....instead of looking for a shortcut....
Just something else to think about as anyone weighs the pros/cons of taking clen. ECA stack for me next time...after the diet is 100% in check.
I'm a huge cardio freak and this is definitely affecting my training, making me wish I had just stuck to the diet and exercise. Yes, I could probably have tuned my diet up a little more and lifted a little harder....instead of looking for a shortcut....
Just something else to think about as anyone weighs the pros/cons of taking clen. ECA stack for me next time...after the diet is 100% in check.
LiquidPhire
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I didn't know you were on here
This is my real life girlfriend
and yes what she said is true..
LiquidPhire
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Not sure but my girlfriend used the liquid clen/t3 I got her and she is healthy, never used any drugs in her life doesnt even like to take aspirin and what she said about pericarditis is true. Exercises 2x a day (cardio) and eats clean. More for me I guess
Sliding_Filament
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RE the pericarditis, what symptoms did you have? How was it confirmed?
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